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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:52 pm

if he goes to city he will have a lot of competition for a place in the starting XI, kompany wont be dropped he`s their captain and probably the best centre half in the league, lescott has done well for them and is enhancing his reputation with england and toure is still there as well.
i dont think he`ll go, i think he`ll get an improved contract from liverpool.
thats both our centre halves being linked with other clubs now, we need to get back into the CL sharpish if we want to keep hold of our best players.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:01 pm

20 million?  I'd take it and promote Croates....if that didn't work out then i'm sure we could get someone in for 10 million at a similar level to Skittles
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Postby parchpea » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:56 am

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:52 pm wrote:if he goes to city he will have a lot of competition for a place in the starting XI, kompany wont be dropped he`s their captain and probably the best centre half in the league, lescott has done well for them and is enhancing his reputation with england and toure is still there as well.
i dont think he`ll go, i think he`ll get an improved contract from liverpool.
thats both our centre halves being linked with other clubs now, we need to get back into the CL sharpish if we want to keep hold of our best players.


He may not leave but playing a support role to two other centre backs may not concern him that much.

The elite clubs are chock full of top class footballers willing to sit on the bench and claim huge salaries
to be part of a successful 'group' and Skrtel may be happy to join them and fight for a spot.

The thought process of the modern player is very different and they are switched on to being part of a
squad or rotated pieces within a team.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:51 am

Snap their hands off for 20 mil and go and buy Howdes
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Postby stmichael » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:54 am

as others have said, it's agent talk to get him a better deal here.
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Postby kartiek » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:27 pm

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:51 am wrote:Snap their hands off for 20 mil and go and buy Howdes


This is such a terribly philosophy that you're endorsing Benny. We've been down in the dumps due to such philosophy for far too long for you and others to have learnt otherwise. We sold Alonso for 30 million pounds. Surely that would be enough to find a world class replacement for our midfield maestro? Well, here we are, 3 seasons down the line, no where close to having filled that spot properly, and already having spent 17+16+10 on midfielders to fill that role. 3 seasons and more than 30 million pounds! I don't think we can confidently say that we've replaced Torres either.

And what are we going to do here? Sell Skrtel for 20 million, and hope that we get a perfect fit in Howdes for 10, who'll probably cost more, but anyway, and then if he doesn't fit in we'll go for another 10 million worth of a player who may be the answer but we'd have wasted 2 more years and no real gain. The OBVIOUS approach to team building, for challenging, is to keep your best players, realize that to you, their worth is much more than their market worth, and add a quality player who you can have for at least a year to be sure that you can send away your best player and know that this new lad will fill in the boots for sure. This isn't football manager after all.
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Postby LFC2007 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:37 pm

We could almost certainly sign a player who's as good as Skrtel for £20m or less. It's the "fitting in" part that's the issue. Would the new CB be able to strike up an understanding with the other defenders quickly, and make all the other adaptations to the league, the change of club, lifestyle etc. needed to be a success? That's what's got to be asked. Given that the backline is the one area of the team that's relatively settled, I wouldn't want to see it broken up in this way unless the size of the fee really was too good to turn down.
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Postby kartiek » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:33 pm

LFC2007 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:37 pm wrote:We could almost certainly sign a player who's as good as Skrtel for £20m or less. It's the "fitting in" part that's the issue. Would the new CB be able to strike up an understanding with the other defenders quickly, and make all the other adaptations to the league, the change of club, lifestyle etc. needed to be a success? That's what's got to be asked. Given that the backline is the one area of the team that's relatively settled, I wouldn't want to see it broken up in this way unless the size of the fee really was too good to turn down.


That is exactly my point. Even if you do get an excellent player to replace Skrtel, there's no guarantee we can get them to fit in well. What is sure is we take a huge gamble, and waste a season or two fixing it. That's what we've been doing for the past 3 or so years now.
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Postby Octsky » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:55 am

Skrtel has a his up and downs in his whole LFC career, more down and up n still far from club legends like
Sami and Hansen.
he recently had a good season under Kenny and suddenly we need to match his ambitions?
wtf is this?
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Postby Reg » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:05 am

kartiek » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:27 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:51 am wrote:Snap their hands off for 20 mil and go and buy Howdes


This is such a terribly philosophy that you're endorsing Benny. We've been down in the dumps due to such philosophy for far too long for you and others to have learnt otherwise. We sold Alonso for 30 million pounds. Surely that would be enough to find a world class replacement for our midfield maestro? Well, here we are, 3 seasons down the line, no where close to having filled that spot properly, and already having spent 17+16+10 on midfielders to fill that role. 3 seasons and more than 30 million pounds! I don't think we can confidently say that we've replaced Torres either.

And what are we going to do here? Sell Skrtel for 20 million, and hope that we get a perfect fit in Howdes for 10, who'll probably cost more, but anyway, and then if he doesn't fit in we'll go for another 10 million worth of a player who may be the answer but we'd have wasted 2 more years and no real gain. The OBVIOUS approach to team building, for challenging, is to keep your best players, realize that to you, their worth is much more than their market worth, and add a quality player who you can have for at least a year to be sure that you can send away your best player and know that this new lad will fill in the boots for sure. This isn't football manager after all.


Good post but as Octisky points out, Martin is good, but not that good. The cemetry is full of irreplaceable people.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:58 am

Octsky » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:55 am wrote:Skrtel has a his up and downs in his whole LFC career, more down and up n still far from club legends like
Sami and Hansen.
he recently had a good season under Kenny and suddenly we need to match his ambitions?
wtf is this?

this.

Would love Skrtel to stay, but if he wants out then f**k him.  We need everyone pulling in the same direction next season and can't afford any passengers who are more concerned about getting their next payday
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:46 pm

in todays paper it is saying that we are seriously considering letting him go, it says liverpool dont consider him irreplaceable and feel that the likes of coates and martin kelly (who came through the ranks as a CB) are great prospects ready to step up to the plate. the other big reason is that it would practically double our transfer warchest and give rodgers more of a chance to put his stamp on the squad by bringing in more players that suit his philosophy.
according to the paper there are 3 irreplaceables at anfield that the club will move heaven and earth to keep and skrtel isnt one of them (suarez, agger, reina).
i`m a bit torn on this one, i can see the logic in letting him go and ferguson has done this quite a few times like when he moved ince on when he was one of the top centre mids in the country because he knew he had scholes coming through the ranks but on the other hand i`m a big believer in if something is not broke why try and fix it, at the moment our centre half partnership of agger and skrtel was one of the few area`s of the team that wasnt broken.
the key here is how much faith the club have in kelly and coates and apparently the club think they are the real deal, the club thinks that within a year or two they`d have a big decision to make anyway because kelly and coates at 23/24/25 would be too good to sit on the bench and they`d have to sell someone anyway.
personally i`d stick with skrtel, we really need to get into the CL next season and it`s not the time to start experimenting with our CB pairing.
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Postby kartiek » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:07 pm

7_Kewell » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:58 am wrote:
Octsky » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:55 am wrote:Skrtel has a his up and downs in his whole LFC career, more down and up n still far from club legends like
Sami and Hansen.
he recently had a good season under Kenny and suddenly we need to match his ambitions?
wtf is this?

this.

Would love Skrtel to stay, but if he wants out then f**k him.  We need everyone pulling in the same direction next season and can't afford any passengers who are more concerned about getting their next payday


A season ago Modric was acting the same way. Tottenham did really well to keep him. I think we must put our ego aside for a bit and convince Skrtel to stay. We aren't doing very well, and yes some players will want to leave. You can't go on selling players as soon as they show some discontentment at the state of affairs. It's only natural, but more importantly it's our job to convince our best players to stay.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:13 pm

he's not going anywhere . pure unsettling on behalf of citeh.
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Postby maguskwt » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:45 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:46 am wrote:in todays paper it is saying that we are seriously considering letting him go, it says liverpool dont consider him irreplaceable and feel that the likes of coates and martin kelly (who came through the ranks as a CB) are great prospects ready to step up to the plate. the other big reason is that it would practically double our transfer warchest and give rodgers more of a chance to put his stamp on the squad by bringing in more players that suit his philosophy.
according to the paper there are 3 irreplaceables at anfield that the club will move heaven and earth to keep and skrtel isnt one of them (suarez, agger, reina).
i`m a bit torn on this one, i can see the logic in letting him go and ferguson has done this quite a few times like when he moved ince on when he was one of the top centre mids in the country because he knew he had scholes coming through the ranks but on the other hand i`m a big believer in if something is not broke why try and fix it, at the moment our centre half partnership of agger and skrtel was one of the few area`s of the team that wasnt broken.
the key here is how much faith the club have in kelly and coates and apparently the club think they are the real deal, the club thinks that within a year or two they`d have a big decision to make anyway because kelly and coates at 23/24/25 would be too good to sit on the bench and they`d have to sell someone anyway.
personally i`d stick with skrtel, we really need to get into the CL next season and it`s not the time to start experimenting with our CB pairing.

They are right, if we get a good fee for him, I'd let him go because we have Kelly and Coates. And also because other areas need more urgent change such as a winger and a striker. And it would also give Rodgers more money to define his team...Building a more balanced team has to be the priority here...
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