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by **Big Niall** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:13 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
metalhead wrote:The best we have seen of Johnson when we used to play higher up the pitch and press when we didn't have the ball. Unfortunately, I agree with most, that sitting deep and inviting the opposition does not suit him and it isn't getting the best out of him.

He can be a very good player

This in a nutshell.

Been arguing Johnson's case due to him not being suited to a system that invites pressure and sits deep. Not the player's fault.

shouldn't an 18m defender be able to defend?

Poxy waste of money he is....I'd happily send a young fella from a YTS scheme in in his place - he'd guaranteed do a better job...

that isn't an argument.

The question was "shouldn't an 18m pound DEFENDER be able to defend?"

I would imagine the "hope" with GJ was, that he would have the pace to add a lot to the attack AS WELL AS cover his defensive duties. Unfortunately he can't defend for shyte, not for LFC, not for England....so what the fook does the manager see in him ?

In fairness to Roy, it is hard to drop a player that recently cost 18m pounds.

That said, I'd sell him for whatever some manager is stupid enough to pay for him.

by **Big Niall** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:52 pm

Let's just sell him to a stupid manager elsewhere.

by **tubby** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:56 pm

It wasn't so bad before as Masch would cover him when he went forward but we have mr slow Poulsen and Lucas who is hot and cold.

by **loopyliverpool** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:20 am

Johnson has been on a very bad run for some time now. Most people seem to recognise his defensive fallabilities but he's been pretty shoddy going forward too. Our problem is we have no cover of a suitable quality to replace him or even challenge him for his place. He gets into the side playing poorly which is no good thing. How he gets anywhere near the national squad let alone the team is bewildering! Anyhow he and a number of others need to start earning their right to get into the Liverpool side.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:34 am

bavlondon wrote:It wasn't so bad before as Masch would cover him when he went forward but we have mr slow Poulsen and Lucas who is hot and cold.

Mash is a monster. heard he isnt doing too well at Nou Camp lately. the Argie's awareness and ability to snuff out danger is second to none. Poulson on the other hand, looks very one-dimensional to me. its almost as if he cant believe his luck that he is playing at Liverpool.

by **mart** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:12 pm

Big Niall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
metalhead wrote:The best we have seen of Johnson when we used to play higher up the pitch and press when we didn't have the ball. Unfortunately, I agree with most, that sitting deep and inviting the opposition does not suit him and it isn't getting the best out of him.

He can be a very good player

This in a nutshell.

Been arguing Johnson's case due to him not being suited to a system that invites pressure and sits deep. Not the player's fault.

shouldn't an 18m defender be able to defend?

Thats a very simplistic way of looking at it. In modern football we have wingbacks that are as much a winger as a defender.

If you are a team fighting to avoid relegation and just try to park the bus in every match you would avoid that type of player. But if you are a top team trying to win the league you need something extra to break down teams that park the bus.

Look at for instance Dani Alves in Barcelona. He is not especially great at defending, but his weakness is not so exposed because of the way they play. Similarly we could try to play in a way that would cover up Johnsons weaknesses and use his strenghts.

Yes 18m is an inflated price but thats what you get for trying to buy english players.

by **Big Niall** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:50 pm

mart wrote:Yes 18m is an inflated price but thats what you get for trying to buy english players.

so why buy them? why not buy the best players for your budget?

I agree, if he wasn't english the price would have been much less as he clearly isn't good enough for LFC.

what a waste of money.

by **dawson99** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:51 pm

It doesnt help that we havent got a recognised right winger to come back and help

by **mart** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:38 pm

Big Niall wrote:
mart wrote:Yes 18m is an inflated price but thats what you get for trying to buy english players.

so why buy them? why not buy the best players for your budget?

Unless someone comes out and explains exactly why he was bought its just speculation but here is a few possibilities:

The new squad rules
If we wanted a new attacking fullback what players were actually available. (consider some of the names we have been linked to in the past)
Gerrard/carra used their considerable influence to force the club to get more english players.
Portsmouth owed us money we didnt look like getting anytime soon.

by **Calum** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:50 am

I couldn't believe when Johnson was picked for the last England squad. Is there really no English right back better than GJ? Jeez.

by **JamCar05** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:13 pm

I wonder if Roy will pick Johnson by default for the Chelsea match if he is fit again? On current form (well, he's injured now but before that) he really shouldn't I think. It will leave too big of a hole in our right hand side for an in-form Malouda to exploit, and also who would he push out on the bench (not Carra I'm sure, but Soto and Skrtel have just started to build a bit of a partnership in the centre these past games)? Will be interesting, and Roy might actually be better served with Johnson still injured for this match.

by **Zidane** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:14 pm

Good game today. Come on Glen I know you got it in you to be a star for us! Hopefully today's game will do him a world of good confidence wise. Still believe on his day he's world class. :oops:

by **bigmick** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:15 pm

Zidane wrote:Good game today.

I thought he was absolutely terrible

Apart from getting the penalty, I don't think her put a foot right.

by **bunglemark2** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:19 pm

bigmick wrote:
Zidane wrote:Good game today.

I thought he was absolutely terrible Apart from getting the penalty, I don't think her put a foot right.

Hear, hear...
Thought he was poison tonight....

by **Zidane** » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:21 pm

I'll take a pen from our RB over absolutely nothing from any other RB we could have played... For all the solid defense we get from our other RBs they don't provide us with what we need, which is any sort of attacking threat from out wide. I know people like to go on about how bad Glen is at defending, but for me he is at fault for as many goals as any other player will be throughout a season.. and even if it's more he contributes so much for us going forward that it shouldn't matter as much as we make it out to be. People are tough on our players too often I think. Anyway we were never really under any trouble too imo. They couldn't have had many shots on target we were the more dangerous of the two throughout even though we played :censored:

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