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by **maguskwt** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:44 am

rocky29 wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
mart wrote:
Scottbot wrote:Listen to the comments he made when he joined the club and then also his comments after the Blackburn game when the Kop woke up for the first time this season.

All players say how much they love the club, the fans, how happy they are to be here etc when joining a new club. I'll be more surprised if a player doesn't say anything like that. Players are just workers out to get what they can from a short career.

"Loyal players" are often just lucky enough to start playing in a club that is not too big/small for their talent/desire for cash.

That said I don't really mind if Cole went for the money. He will do the same job either way.

Of course they do but Cole repeated those comments again after the win at the weekend and you could see the look on his face when he got an ovation from the crowd when his number was called towards the end of the game. No ones disputing the players go where the money is but I think he could have gone to Spurs and received a similar pay deal + champions league footy but cam to LFC for other reasons. those who say he came here simply because he was offered an extra 10k a week are wide of the mark in my opinion.

bollox 90 grand a week for what. No wonder chelski got rid. Most over rated player even capello doesnt rate him.

so besides Aquilani, who do you rate? you don't seem to rate anyone...Roy is :censored:

, Rafa is

, sell Torres :shifty

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:20 am

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:He left chelsea because they refused to give him the new contract he wanted , he didnt join spurs or man utd because they didnt give him the contract he wanted - he joined liverpool because they gave him the contract he wanted .

How do you know this ?

he'll probably ask you to google it

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:47 am

LFC2007 wrote:But if Rafa was still here you'd be far more open to possibility that it was his "world classness" that ultimately swayed Cole's decision.

If previous manager had signed him it would of been for the same reason - money , anything else is just pure romance - the stuff that no longer happens . Players when looking for new clubs look for success and look for long term security for themselves - people don't join because of history of club etc etc . It's the real world now . Just my opinion of course .

by **Scottbot** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:00 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:But if Rafa was still here you'd be far more open to possibility that it was his "world classness" that ultimately swayed Cole's decision.

If previous manager had signed him it would of been for the same reason - money , anything else is just pure romance - the stuff that no longer happens . Players when looking for new clubs look for success and look for long term security for themselves - people don't join because of history of club etc etc . It's the real world now . Just my opinion of course .

But the top players get the money no matter where they go. Other factors still come into it, if they didn't Kaka would have become a Man City player last year.

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:06 am

i just hope we can sell Babel and get a little money to spend. Id focus mainly on LW. A striker would be nice but i guess we can wait until summer...hopefully someone good will be available.

If we get a LW we can play Cole behind Torres and Gerrard/Meirles in CM.

by **dundreamin** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:11 am

All players move for money.but let's be honest here,if a rival company you work for approached you and asked them to work for them and they would double your present salary what would you do? It's a nobrainer.

by **mart** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:13 pm

dundreamin wrote:All players move for money.but let's be honest here,if a rival company you work for approached you and asked them to work for them and they would double your present salary what would you do? It's a nobrainer.

I think you will find that most people here dont really object to players moving to get more money. Beeing a big club we depend on such players. Its just that the romance stories surrounding particularly british players get annoying after a while. If we really wanted to test the players loyalty to the club we can get relegated and see who is willing to stay at a reduced wage. My guess is not many would stay on if they got another offer.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:36 pm

Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:But if Rafa was still here you'd be far more open to possibility that it was his "world classness" that ultimately swayed Cole's decision.

If previous manager had signed him it would of been for the same reason - money , anything else is just pure romance - the stuff that no longer happens . Players when looking for new clubs look for success and look for long term security for themselves - people don't join because of history of club etc etc . It's the real world now . Just my opinion of course .

But the top players get the money no matter where they go. Other factors still come into it, if they didn't Kaka would have become a Man City player last year.

Exactly. The top performers want to be paid the "going rate" but that doesn't necessarily equate with the most financially rewarding package on offer. If the pay is competitive, then other factors - management, in particular (this applies not just to football) - comes increasingly into play. Bottom line: It's certainly not "obvious" that Cole's decision to join us depended solely on money on offer. But you can be certain that if he'd signed under Rafa, not Roy, and such an argument was posited, there would be howls of "but how do you know that?!?/where's your evidence?".

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:48 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:But if Rafa was still here you'd be far more open to possibility that it was his "world classness" that ultimately swayed Cole's decision.

If previous manager had signed him it would of been for the same reason - money , anything else is just pure romance - the stuff that no longer happens . Players when looking for new clubs look for success and look for long term security for themselves - people don't join because of history of club etc etc . It's the real world now . Just my opinion of course .

But the top players get the money no matter where they go. Other factors still come into it, if they didn't Kaka would have become a Man City player last year.

Exactly. The top performers want to be paid the "going rate" but that doesn't necessarily equate with the most financially rewarding package on offer. If the pay is competitive, then other factors - management, in particular (this applies not just to football) - comes increasingly into play. Bottom line: It's certainly not "obvious" that Cole's decision to join us depended solely on money on offer. But you can be certain that if he'd signed under Rafa, not Roy, and such an argument was posited, there would be howls of "but how do you know that?!?/where's your evidence?".

Hence why i mentioned chance of success as well - not also forgetting playing in the cl

by **woof woof !** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:55 pm

LFC2007 wrote:: It's certainly not "obvious" that Cole's decision to join us depended solely on money on offer.

I don't think Joe Cole came here just for the money, I think he came here to play.

We're not privy to the "small print" in transfer discussions.

I'd hazard a guess and say that if the money was "decent" an assurance from a club with a worldwide reputation that you'd be part of their first team plans would sway most players who where finding themselves seemingly frozen out at their current club.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:55 pm

Benny: So when you said, "If previous manager had signed him it would of been for the same reason - money , anything else is just pure romance - the stuff that no longer happens.", you were talking b0llocks?

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:58 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Benny: So when you said, "If previous manager had signed him it would of been for the same reason - money , anything else is just pure romance - the stuff that no longer happens.", you were talking b0llocks?

Its what i believe - the major factor for me is money .

by **woof woof !** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:02 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Its what i believe - the major factor for me is money .

Think that says more about you than it does about Joe Cole

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:04 pm

If you say so - football is now a money driven world - ambition has been replaced by getting as much money as possible .

by **woof woof !** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:08 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:If you say so - football is now a money driven world - ambition has been replaced by getting as much money as possible .

There's probably loads of players who share your mentality, just don't think that your grasping view of life automatically applies to ALL of them.

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