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Postby Dundalk » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:38 am

redsoxfan wrote:Hello everyone, I've been a Boston Red Sox fan my whole life and I thought I might give you some insight about John Henry. :)

Overall, he is a fabulous owner. The Red Sox have the #2 payroll in baseball. He is not afraid to spend money...but he doesn't spend money like a drunk sailor. His General Manager Theo Epstein is always trying to get the most value for the money. Since Henry's group has taken over, the Red Sox have become a powerhouse and won 2 World Series (2004 and 2007) after not winning one since 1918. They are usually in the baseball postseason playoffs, and only missed by a bit this year because the team was decimated by injuries.

The stadium is Fenway Park, the oldest in baseball, built in 1912.  There was a lot of talk about building a new park, but they decided to revitalize Fenway. Lots of new concessions, bathrooms, etc. The Red Sox currently have the longest sellout streak in history at over 500 games in a row.

Henry's a very good man, a little quirky, but nice. He apparently is quite rich - a self-made made who is an expert at stock trading. Not only does his group own the Red Sox, but they have the very profitable regional cable New England Sports Network (NESN) and own a stake in one of America's top Nascar racing companies (very popular in the southern US, not so much here in Boston).

Speaking honestly, I think you'll be happy with him if these rumors are true. Your only reservations should be 1) who will run the football operation, as I don't think he's a football expert, 2) the Red Sox have the highest ticket prices in Major League Baseball - will the same be true at Liverpool, and 3) does he have enough money to match the insane owners that are in the Premier League? 

Overall though, he's a good businessman, very smart. His co-owner is Tom Werner who made his money in television (owned the Cosby Show, Roseanne and others). The President is Larry Lucchino, a very savvy baseball man. And the rest of their management team is great too. They are considered to be in the top echelon of owners in baseball.

If you want to investigate, here are some good links:

The main Red Sox forum:  Sons Of Sam Horn

The two Boston papers: http://www.boston.com/sports/
http://www.boston.com/sports/

The Red Sox: http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=bos

The Fenway Group: http://www.fenwaysportsgroup.com/

A video about how old Fenway Park has been renovated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcCfmaq7wXI

And here's a long interview with him in 2004 which can introduce you to him: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/1113

I confess to only knowing a little about football. I follow the Premier League a bit but am a child in terms of knowledge. But I am aware of your frustration with your current owners. I just wanted to reassure you all that Henry and his group would certainly seem to be an improvement. They are liked by 95% of the fans here, which isn't easy, as the Red Sox are rabidly followed and critiqued, arguably as much as their famous and more historically successful rival the New York Yankees.

Good luck. I'll drop by again soon.  :)

Welcome and thanks very much for that info
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Postby Anfield rapper » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:40 am

I'm not happy to be honest. Got 3 words for you regarding the new owner - Not enough money.
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Postby metalhead » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:42 am

As many of you, I'm also very skeptical about this. I don't know much about these guys, but I just visited some Red Sox forums and they all said they are decent owners who side the fans on things. I hope the new guys come in, show us they have funds, invest properly in the team, build us a new stadium and return the Liverpool tradition back again.

However, its far from over, we have to deal with this sh!tty @ss dispute with the fat texan and his buddy! :angry:
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Postby Kharhaz » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:44 am

Im confused....do we want hicks and gillete in or out?
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Postby supersub » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:44 am

redsoxfan wrote:Hello everyone, I've been a Boston Red Sox fan my whole life and I thought I might give you some insight about John Henry. :)

Overall, he is a fabulous owner. The Red Sox have the #2 payroll in baseball. He is not afraid to spend money...but he doesn't spend money like a drunk sailor. His General Manager Theo Epstein is always trying to get the most value for the money. Since Henry's group has taken over, the Red Sox have become a powerhouse and won 2 World Series (2004 and 2007) after not winning one since 1918. They are usually in the baseball postseason playoffs, and only missed by a bit this year because the team was decimated by injuries.

The stadium is Fenway Park, the oldest in baseball, built in 1912.  There was a lot of talk about building a new park, but they decided to revitalize Fenway. Lots of new concessions, bathrooms, etc. The Red Sox currently have the longest sellout streak in history at over 500 games in a row.

Henry's a very good man, a little quirky, but nice. He apparently is quite rich - a self-made made who is an expert at stock trading. Not only does his group own the Red Sox, but they have the very profitable regional cable New England Sports Network (NESN) and own a stake in one of America's top Nascar racing companies (very popular in the southern US, not so much here in Boston).

Speaking honestly, I think you'll be happy with him if these rumors are true. Your only reservations should be 1) who will run the football operation, as I don't think he's a football expert, 2) the Red Sox have the highest ticket prices in Major League Baseball - will the same be true at Liverpool, and 3) does he have enough money to match the insane owners that are in the Premier League? 

Overall though, he's a good businessman, very smart. His co-owner is Tom Werner who made his money in television (owned the Cosby Show, Roseanne and others). The President is Larry Lucchino, a very savvy baseball man. And the rest of their management team is great too. They are considered to be in the top echelon of owners in baseball.

If you want to investigate, here are some good links:

The main Red Sox forum:  Sons Of Sam Horn

The two Boston papers: http://www.boston.com/sports/
http://www.boston.com/sports/

The Red Sox: http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=bos

The Fenway Group: http://www.fenwaysportsgroup.com/

A video about how old Fenway Park has been renovated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcCfmaq7wXI

And here's a long interview with him in 2004 which can introduce you to him: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/1113

I confess to only knowing a little about football. I follow the Premier League a bit but am a child in terms of knowledge. But I am aware of your frustration with your current owners. I just wanted to reassure you all that Henry and his group would certainly seem to be an improvement. They are liked by 95% of the fans here, which isn't easy, as the Red Sox are rabidly followed and critiqued, arguably as much as their famous and more historically successful rival the New York Yankees.

Good luck. I'll drop by again soon.  :)

Thanks for the information
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Postby Salty Sock » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:46 am

I am thinking we should take it over :)
Together if we combinulate enogh pennies it will suffice and takings will happen. :)
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Postby metalhead » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:46 am

Kharhaz wrote:Im confused....do we want hicks and gillete in or out?

Yes we do, but you can't blame others for being skeptical about the new ones mate, I'm staying skeptical on this one, if they clear the debts and start building a new stadium while improving the team, I think everyone would be happy.

But, anything better than the sh!t we had!
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:46 am

redsoxfan wrote:I just wanted to reassure you all that Henry and his group would certainly seem to be an improvement. They are liked by 95% of the fans here, which isn't easy, as the Red Sox are rabidly followed and critiqued, arguably as much as their famous and more historically successful rival the New York Yankees.

hello, just wanted to ask you a hypothetical question.

imagine this scenario - a couple of years down the road, Henry is unable to provide more funds needed and has taken LFC as far as he could. would Henry sell the club for the sole purpose of making profit for himself, or would be have more moral integrity and conduct himself better then the previous 2 owners?
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Postby Redman in wales » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:46 am

sky sports: Who is John W Henry?

Liverpool fans may be wary of another American owner, but in John W Henry they have a very different breed to Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

The quiet, reserved 61-year-old made his fortune in hedge funds, but has used it to indulge his sporting interests, most famously with the Boston Red Sox baseball team, but also in the NASCAR motorsport series.

The self-made multi-millionaire does not have the serious money of the Premier League's wealthiest owners, with his fortune rated at US dollars 860 million (£540m) before dipping in the credit crunch but he does have an excellent track record of success with his teams.


the article goes on, but call me greedy or what ever, but he just doesn't have enough money to buy the club, clear the debt and build a stadium!
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:47 am

Dundalk wrote:
redsoxfan wrote:Hello everyone, I've been a Boston Red Sox fan my whole life and I thought I might give you some insight about John Henry. :)

Overall, he is a fabulous owner. The Red Sox have the #2 payroll in baseball. He is not afraid to spend money...but he doesn't spend money like a drunk sailor. His General Manager Theo Epstein is always trying to get the most value for the money. Since Henry's group has taken over, the Red Sox have become a powerhouse and won 2 World Series (2004 and 2007) after not winning one since 1918. They are usually in the baseball postseason playoffs, and only missed by a bit this year because the team was decimated by injuries.

The stadium is Fenway Park, the oldest in baseball, built in 1912.  There was a lot of talk about building a new park, but they decided to revitalize Fenway. Lots of new concessions, bathrooms, etc. The Red Sox currently have the longest sellout streak in history at over 500 games in a row.

Henry's a very good man, a little quirky, but nice. He apparently is quite rich - a self-made made who is an expert at stock trading. Not only does his group own the Red Sox, but they have the very profitable regional cable New England Sports Network (NESN) and own a stake in one of America's top Nascar racing companies (very popular in the southern US, not so much here in Boston).

Speaking honestly, I think you'll be happy with him if these rumors are true. Your only reservations should be 1) who will run the football operation, as I don't think he's a football expert, 2) the Red Sox have the highest ticket prices in Major League Baseball - will the same be true at Liverpool, and 3) does he have enough money to match the insane owners that are in the Premier League? 

Overall though, he's a good businessman, very smart. His co-owner is Tom Werner who made his money in television (owned the Cosby Show, Roseanne and others). The President is Larry Lucchino, a very savvy baseball man. And the rest of their management team is great too. They are considered to be in the top echelon of owners in baseball.

If you want to investigate, here are some good links:

The main Red Sox forum:  Sons Of Sam Horn

The two Boston papers: http://www.boston.com/sports/
http://www.boston.com/sports/

The Red Sox: http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=bos

The Fenway Group: http://www.fenwaysportsgroup.com/

A video about how old Fenway Park has been renovated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcCfmaq7wXI

And here's a long interview with him in 2004 which can introduce you to him: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/1113

I confess to only knowing a little about football. I follow the Premier League a bit but am a child in terms of knowledge. But I am aware of your frustration with your current owners. I just wanted to reassure you all that Henry and his group would certainly seem to be an improvement. They are liked by 95% of the fans here, which isn't easy, as the Red Sox are rabidly followed and critiqued, arguably as much as their famous and more historically successful rival the New York Yankees.

Good luck. I'll drop by again soon.  :)

Welcome and thanks very much for that info

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Thanks for taking the time to drop in with some info Redsoxfan.
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Postby Dundalk » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:48 am

Good news but im still very skeptical

In the meantime ill be....


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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:49 am

there are some posters here saying the new owners might not have enough money. question: if you could only choose one, would you rather see investment on the squad or a new stadium?
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Postby Dundalk » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:51 am

Part of the conditions of buying the club will be to finance a new stadium and clear the debt. We make alot of profit now, its just a shame most of it has gone to servicing the debt. In a couple of years the TV rights to Asia will be opening as well. Liverpool and United stand to make a fortune over there. The yank owners of both United and Liverpool know that and thats why they are desparate to hang onto the clubs
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Postby Salty Sock » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:51 am

Any more updates?
I think we needing all the facts before we make our choices. Let's be honest. Who agrees?
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Postby Kharhaz » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:51 am

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Kharhaz wrote:Im confused....do we want hicks and gillete in or out?

Yes we do, but you can't blame others for being skeptical about the new ones mate, I'm staying skeptical on this one, if they clear the debts and start building a new stadium while improving the team, I think everyone would be happy.

But, anything better than the sh!t we had!

From what I understand, should they take over, then the clubs debts will be cleared and H & G walk away with sod all. For me, thats a start, and im all for it. I dont want us to turn into another man city and blow 100 million on players.

Clearing the debts and getting us stable surely is the priority.
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