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by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:25 pm

Agree with Ben about Johnson as a RM - it's totally different to being an attacking RB . He is great running onto the ball and overlapping a right mid - he wouldn't be able to do that as RM .

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:26 pm

As for Kelly he has been superb both times he has played in first team - against Lyon at right back he was MOM and in latest Europa game IMO he was MOM again playing left back - he is ready for first team right now and I'm more than happy enough for him to be starting if needed .

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:32 pm

In and Out wrote:Sorry I gave you more credit than you deserved! In your case it clearly is ROCKET SCIENCE! Fkng patronising t.osser !!!

sorry but... :laugh:

bit of a ding dong going on here

Just to add to the topic, I like Johnson and I think he'll feature as an integral part of Roy's plans.

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It might have been an issue a month ago ...but you carry on your dredging in order to keep a smirk on that fat silly face of yours .... I must say your posts are bordering on the obsessive now they literally reek of desperation ....
giving me a right chuckle if I'm honest
Please by all means carry on ... It wouldn't be the same if you suddenly developed a new non de plume and went all incognito again now would it ? :laugh:

by **matt_liverpool** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:34 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:As for Kelly he has been superb both times he has played in first team - against Lyon at right back he was MOM and in latest Europa game IMO he was MOM again playing left back - he is ready for first team right now and I'm more than happy enough for him to be starting if needed .

Completely disagree with this. Kelly is too young to be a regular first team member. We've all seen what happened with Insua. In my opinion Kelly has all the attributes to become a top class center back but will take couple of years to really shine. He is Liverpool's version of Chris Smalling. :buttrock

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:44 pm

Too young ? Since when has a player ever been too young ? If your good enough your old enough.

by **matt_liverpool** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:45 pm

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by **PabloMedina28** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:16 pm

matt_liverpool wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:As for Kelly he has been superb both times he has played in first team - against Lyon at right back he was MOM and in latest Europa game IMO he was MOM again playing left back - he is ready for first team right now and I'm more than happy enough for him to be starting if needed .

Completely disagree with this. Kelly is too young to be a regular first team member. We've all seen what happened with Insua. In my opinion Kelly has all the attributes to become a top class center back but will take couple of years to really shine. He is Liverpool's version of Chris Smalling.

Yeh but insua could never defend from the get go thats where he came unstuck Kelly is a great defender equally at home on either flank or centre back

by **jimmy brighton** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:57 pm

matt_liverpool wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:As for Kelly he has been superb both times he has played in first team - against Lyon at right back he was MOM and in latest Europa game IMO he was MOM again playing left back - he is ready for first team right now and I'm more than happy enough for him to be starting if needed .

Completely disagree with this. Kelly is too young to be a regular first team member. We've all seen what happened with Insua. In my opinion Kelly has all the attributes to become a top class center back but will take couple of years to really shine. He is Liverpool's version of Chris Smalling.

Most defenders do take longer to come on because thay have to read the game a lot more than their attacking opponents. I think attacking is more instinctive. I mean Carragher, even though he actually started out as striker, doesn't have the agility to be comfortable there now. Yet with defending, the 1st yard's in your head.

by **Zidane** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:25 am

I still don't quite understand the criticism he gets for his defending.. For me he's proven time and time again that when he puts his mind to it he can defend well. I was expecting Arshavin to skin him quite a few times but I think it only happened once that I can remember and he took him out of the match for the most part. He put in his fair share of defensive shifts last season as well. I think he just lacks the intelligence and focus at times and it puts him in bad positions. Hopefully Roy can help him out with that, for me he has all the tools to be world class but I'm not sure if he can put them all together yet.. and I'm not sure if he ever will. His awareness just seems to come and go at times, and I dunno if he'll ever get that down.

All in all I believe he's a top class attacking full back and I don't quite understand the desire, by some, to get him out of our back four. I think if we had CBs with the pace to cover more effectively for him we wouldn't be so upset about him leaving lots of space for Carra to cover, and it wouldn't be a big issue.

by **Kharhaz** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:57 am

Zidane wrote:I still don't quite understand the criticism he gets for his defending.. For me he's proven time and time again that when he puts his mind to it he can defend well. I was expecting Arshavin to skin him quite a few times but I think it only happened once that I can remember and he took him out of the match for the most part. He put in his fair share of defensive shifts last season as well. I think he just lacks the intelligence and focus at times and it puts him in bad positions. Hopefully Roy can help him out with that, for me he has all the tools to be world class but I'm not sure if he can put them all together yet.. and I'm not sure if he ever will. His awareness just seems to come and go at times, and I dunno if he'll ever get that down.

All in all I believe he's a top class attacking full back and I don't quite understand the desire, by some, to get him out of our back four. I think if we had CBs with the pace to cover more effectively for him we wouldn't be so upset about him leaving lots of space for Carra to cover, and it wouldn't be a big issue.

Its the price tag. It was a ridiculous amount to spend on an average full back. And its this in which the judgements come. Myself included. I said at the time, and I stand by it now. He is not worth £18 million. Consider that Finnan cost us just £2.5 million and was reliable. Johnson isnt reliable. He is hyped up, but not reliable, and definitely not worth the price we paid for him.

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:50 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Zidane wrote:I still don't quite understand the criticism he gets for his defending.. For me he's proven time and time again that when he puts his mind to it he can defend well. I was expecting Arshavin to skin him quite a few times but I think it only happened once that I can remember and he took him out of the match for the most part. He put in his fair share of defensive shifts last season as well. I think he just lacks the intelligence and focus at times and it puts him in bad positions. Hopefully Roy can help him out with that, for me he has all the tools to be world class but I'm not sure if he can put them all together yet.. and I'm not sure if he ever will. His awareness just seems to come and go at times, and I dunno if he'll ever get that down.

All in all I believe he's a top class attacking full back and I don't quite understand the desire, by some, to get him out of our back four. I think if we had CBs with the pace to cover more effectively for him we wouldn't be so upset about him leaving lots of space for Carra to cover, and it wouldn't be a big issue.

Its the price tag. It was a ridiculous amount to spend on an average full back. And its this in which the judgements come. Myself included. I said at the time, and I stand by it now. He is not worth £18 million. Consider that Finnan cost us just £2.5 million and was reliable. Johnson isnt reliable. He is hyped up, but not reliable, and definitely not worth the price we paid for him.

While I agree he's probably not worth 18 million (very few fullbacks are, in truth) I think he's much better than "average". When on his game, I think he's the best right back in the league and, like Zidane, I think way too many people incorrectly dismiss him as a defensive liability when he's not. To hear some tell it, we leak goals like a sieve when he's on the pitch, which is not the case at all. Add to that the fact that the lad brings so much to our attack and I'd say we're fortunate to have him in the team. It baffles me to no end that others don't rate him, it really does.

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:27 am

He needs confidence which Im sure he will get from Red Roy

by **PabloMedina28** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:50 pm

Kharhaz wrote:
Zidane wrote:I still don't quite understand the criticism he gets for his defending.. For me he's proven time and time again that when he puts his mind to it he can defend well. I was expecting Arshavin to skin him quite a few times but I think it only happened once that I can remember and he took him out of the match for the most part. He put in his fair share of defensive shifts last season as well. I think he just lacks the intelligence and focus at times and it puts him in bad positions. Hopefully Roy can help him out with that, for me he has all the tools to be world class but I'm not sure if he can put them all together yet.. and I'm not sure if he ever will. His awareness just seems to come and go at times, and I dunno if he'll ever get that down.

All in all I believe he's a top class attacking full back and I don't quite understand the desire, by some, to get him out of our back four. I think if we had CBs with the pace to cover more effectively for him we wouldn't be so upset about him leaving lots of space for Carra to cover, and it wouldn't be a big issue.

Its the price tag. It was a ridiculous amount to spend on an average full back. And its this in which the judgements come. Myself included. I said at the time, and I stand by it now. He is not worth £18 million. Consider that Finnan cost us just £2.5 million and was reliable. Johnson isnt reliable. He is hyped up, but not reliable, and definitely not worth the price we paid for him.

Glen Johnson aint an average right back mate, i can only think of a handful of players id rather have then him. For me hes the best in thr Premiership.

Maicon, Ramos, Lahm & maybe Alves

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:15 am

I know we all have differing opinions on certain players .... but surely anyone who claims to have a modicum of football nous must be able to gather that Johnson will never make a competent defender

he might be brilliant in an attacking sense ... but it is after all his defensive lapses that we should be discussing which we are sadly becoming all to familiar with ...........
Its like the Emperors New Clothes all over again .... honestly its Ok if we sometimes concur on the glaringly obvious

you will not be declared instantly unstable if you disagree with the established clique ... REPEAT AFTER ME "GLEN JOHNSON IS A LIABILITY ,THE PERSON THAT TOLD HIM HIS FUTURE WAS IN DEFENCE ....... WAS EITHER HIS DAD OR A LIAR "
Its not as if the lad is starving us of ammunition ,he is providing the proverbial rockets for us to fire every game he plays ..... Liverpool will continue to concede goals if players are allowed to breeze past with contemptuous ease .... Its a simple game football..... well at least it used to be

by **Calum** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:18 am

I think it's worth a try in moving Johnson further forward to right wing. Look at the transformation in Gareth Bale. He was a very good left back, but tended to be caught out of position. Just like Johnson. Now playing further forward, Bale can play more freely and causes defences all sorts of trouble. Just like Johnson could do.

With that, I would move Carragher to right back and move Agger back into central defence. Win new players unlikely, the team could do with a reshuffle. Just my suggestion.

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