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Postby Sir Roger » Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:54 pm

Fauxy wrote:I feel a bit sorry for Glen :(

He was shoved into left back against some players that are very good going forward. He tried hard

To be fair hes been sh'te since he came back from injury. Total lack of confidence and terrified to take someone on. His frailty was exposed tonight. He always looks like hes about to burst into tears...
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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:20 am

Other than for their goal I thought he did well. Made a couple of crucial interventions and generally did alright. Not much in an attacking sense other than that brilliant jink and shot in the first half, but we must remember he was playing out of position and for a right footer, bombing down the left isn't the same as bombing down the right.
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Postby akumaface » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:56 am

He was never being considered good at defending. But i think his defending is better than what was given credit for. Yes, he made the mistake last night and it was a crucial one indeed but due to his physical ability, he made some play that others wouldn't even be able to be close. He didn't look as comfortable going forward last night but when you are coming back from an injury, it takes time especially mentally. I guess if we can give time to Aquilani, we should have the same patience to Glen. What was done is done. I guess we will have to wait for next season. Somehow, I sensed that there will be big critical changes....
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Postby Waldo » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:20 am

Can't believe he is being judged on last night's performance when HE IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE, A LEFT BACK.

He was asked to play out of position and did a decent job defending. We missed him on the right - how many times did you see acres of space on the right hand side that normally he would gallop into and offer us something in attack? Plenty of time.
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Postby andy_g » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:22 am

Waldo wrote:Can't believe he is being judged on last night's performance when HE IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE, A LEFT BACK.

He was asked to play out of position and did a decent job defending. We missed him on the right - how many times did you see acres of space on the right hand side that normally he would gallop into and offer us something in attack? Plenty of time.

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Postby tonyeh » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:25 am

He's been a dodgy RB too at times.

Personally, I'd move him forward. I've been saying since he joined that there's a great winger in Johnson. Sign a new RB and get Johnson into midfield.
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Postby Owzat » Sat May 01, 2010 6:11 am

I find the excuse of being 'played out of position' rather limp, he is a full-back and was played at full-back. Sure he isn't a left-back, but people are talking that excuse up as if he played CF, CM, CB or even GK! So the duties of the LB are vastly different to the duties of the RB are they?!?!? Excuse him trouble that can be caused by not being left-footed, a little bit of leeway for getting used to being on the opposite flank, but it's not like he had to use skills he doesn't really have.

No such slack EVER cut for Kuyt :no even though CF and RM are vastly different roles
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Postby Penguins » Sat May 01, 2010 6:28 am

That is cause Kuyt s***s even more as a CF than winger(how improbable that may now sound).

Kuyt has shown so many times that he is an absolute non-threat up front as he has no pace or skill to go past a defender/any player.
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Postby Sir Roger » Sat May 01, 2010 11:02 am

It doesnt matter what position youre in
To make a mistake like that is terrible no matter where you play.
He fu'cked up good and proper
It was like watching a frightened rabbit as the fox is about to pounce.
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Postby mik » Sat May 01, 2010 4:52 pm

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Postby Owzat » Mon May 03, 2010 7:49 am

Penguins wrote:That is cause Kuyt s***s even more as a CF than winger(how improbable that may now sound).

Kuyt has shown so many times that he is an absolute non-threat up front as he has no pace or skill to go past a defender/any player.

No it is because you have such a hate on that you simply can't give him a milligram of credit and slate him every opportunity. He doesn't have a dog's chance of playing CF when he's up against FIVE defenders on his own, or trying to work something off a long hoof with noone to flick onto and that's about all he can do with the "service". Maybe if you pulled your head out you Rs and took an OBJECTIVE look at him once in a while you might cut him some slack. Pah, who am I kidding, you couldn't do objective with such a hate for Kuyt. You ain't worth the breath, dunno why I broke my own rule of bothing replying to the shit you post  :talktothehand

I just laugh more and more at the suggestion Johnson is playing out of position at full-back. Sure it isn't something you expect to be 100% natural playing the opposite side, but full-back is the same role no matter which side
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:02 am

I think a more pressing matter is the removal of this fella from Right Back ,how anyone with the belief that we can safely retain this lads services in defence and still have a competent back four  is totally beyond comprehension ..........
Whilst it doesn't surprise me that Insua's imminent sale has been lauded as imperative to us establishing a more cohesive and solid unit in defence ...then surely it is no less essential we rid ourselves of a seriously inept defender on the other side ... Johnson has all the attributes needed for a winger but as a defender nobody can  defend his ineptitude and the fact he has been a liability since we brought him to the Club

I thought Johnson would prove to be an important acquisition when Liverpool brought him from Portsmouth ... I now know that to be a serious error of judgement on my part and I am honest enough to admit it fully ....
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Postby Scottbot » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:15 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I think a more pressing matter is the removal of this fella from Right Back ,how anyone with the belief that we can safely retain this lads services in defence and still have a competent back four  is totally beyond comprehension ..........
Whilst it doesn't surprise me that Insua's imminent sale has been lauded as imperative to us establishing a more cohesive and solid unit in defence ...then surely it is no less essential we rid ourselves of a seriously inept defender on the other side ... Johnson has all the attributes needed for a winger but as a defender nobody can  defend his ineptitude and the fact he has been a liability since we brought him to the Club

I thought Johnson would prove to be an important acquisition when Liverpool brought him from Portsmouth ... I now know that to be a serious error of judgement on my part and I am honest enough to admit it fully ....

I think that's a harsh assessment mate. It's hard to judge a lot of our players bearing in mind the total malaise that overtook the whole squad last season. He was one of our best players the first 6 weeks of the season but he didn't seem to ever get back up to speed after the fairly lengthy injury. Likewise the World Cup, he was playing in a side devoid of ideas and confidence, that was tactically naive in the way it defended as a team. Is it just me or has Johnson got worse and worse in LFC fans eyes (on here) this past off-season without actually kicking a ball for the club? I've still got high hopes for the lad, he lets too many crosses come in for my liking but I remember watching the two games with the mancs last season and was impressed with the discipline he showed in both matches, he was solid defensively and picked his moments to attack. You've said he is seriously inept as a defender but that is way too strong in my book. No doubt we overpaid big time considering the position he plays (this almost never gets addressed by those still mourning Rafa's departure) and I think fans are expecting £18 million quids worth of performance form our record high full-back but full-backs DON'T deliver £18 mill's worth of payback for the most part.
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:30 am

Scottbot wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I think a more pressing matter is the removal of this fella from Right Back ,how anyone with the belief that we can safely retain this lads services in defence and still have a competent back four  is totally beyond comprehension ..........
Whilst it doesn't surprise me that Insua's imminent sale has been lauded as imperative to us establishing a more cohesive and solid unit in defence ...then surely it is no less essential we rid ourselves of a seriously inept defender on the other side ... Johnson has all the attributes needed for a winger but as a defender nobody can  defend his ineptitude and the fact he has been a liability since we brought him to the Club

I thought Johnson would prove to be an important acquisition when Liverpool brought him from Portsmouth ... I now know that to be a serious error of judgement on my part and I am honest enough to admit it fully ....

I think that's a harsh assessment mate. It's hard to judge a lot of our players bearing in mind the total malaise that overtook the whole squad last season. He was one of our best players the first 6 weeks of the season but he didn't seem to ever get back up to speed after the fairly lengthy injury. Likewise the World Cup, he was playing in a side devoid of ideas and confidence, that was tactically naive in the way it defended as a team. Is it just me or has Johnson got worse and worse in LFC fans eyes (on here) this past off-season without actually kicking a ball for the club? I've still got high hopes for the lad, he lets too many crosses come in for my liking but I remember watching the two games with the mancs last season and was impressed with the discipline he showed in both matches, he was solid defensively and picked his moments to attack. You've said he is seriously inept as a defender but that is way too strong in my book. No doubt we overpaid big time considering the position he plays (this almost never gets addressed by those still mourning Rafa's departure) and I think fans are expecting £18 million quids worth of performance form our record high full-back but full-backs DON'T deliver £18 mill's worth of payback for the most part.

I think if I had made the call earlier in the season Scott then yes it would have been harsh but given his seriously annoying ability to leave the centre backs ( usually Carragher ) covering the gaping hole he leaves on his surges up field plus his inability to cut out any form of cross from wings and then the ridiculous ease that players and sometimes not the most pacier of opponents seem to skin him ...
No mate I don't think I am being to harsh at all ... Johnson is as I have stated in the past a skilful player when approaching an opponents box but where it matters in defence and providing the stability needed for a seemingly impervious back line he is sadly woefully lacking
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Postby Scottbot » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:47 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
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RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I think a more pressing matter is the removal of this fella from Right Back ,how anyone with the belief that we can safely retain this lads services in defence and still have a competent back four  is totally beyond comprehension ..........
Whilst it doesn't surprise me that Insua's imminent sale has been lauded as imperative to us establishing a more cohesive and solid unit in defence ...then surely it is no less essential we rid ourselves of a seriously inept defender on the other side ... Johnson has all the attributes needed for a winger but as a defender nobody can  defend his ineptitude and the fact he has been a liability since we brought him to the Club

I thought Johnson would prove to be an important acquisition when Liverpool brought him from Portsmouth ... I now know that to be a serious error of judgement on my part and I am honest enough to admit it fully ....

I think that's a harsh assessment mate. It's hard to judge a lot of our players bearing in mind the total malaise that overtook the whole squad last season. He was one of our best players the first 6 weeks of the season but he didn't seem to ever get back up to speed after the fairly lengthy injury. Likewise the World Cup, he was playing in a side devoid of ideas and confidence, that was tactically naive in the way it defended as a team. Is it just me or has Johnson got worse and worse in LFC fans eyes (on here) this past off-season without actually kicking a ball for the club? I've still got high hopes for the lad, he lets too many crosses come in for my liking but I remember watching the two games with the mancs last season and was impressed with the discipline he showed in both matches, he was solid defensively and picked his moments to attack. You've said he is seriously inept as a defender but that is way too strong in my book. No doubt we overpaid big time considering the position he plays (this almost never gets addressed by those still mourning Rafa's departure) and I think fans are expecting £18 million quids worth of performance form our record high full-back but full-backs DON'T deliver £18 mill's worth of payback for the most part.

I think if I had made the call earlier in the season Scott then yes it would have been harsh but given his seriously annoying ability to leave the centre backs ( usually Carragher ) covering the gaping hole he leaves on his surges up field plus his inability to cut out any form of cross from wings and then the ridiculous ease that players and sometimes not the most pacier of opponents seem to skin him ...
No mate I don't think I am being to harsh at all ... Johnson is as I have stated in the past a skilful player when approaching an opponents box but where it matters in defence and providing the stability needed for a seemingly impervious back line he is sadly woefully lacking

Give him a full pre-season plus hopefully he'll be playing in a side that will be organised and playing with a bit more confidence and you might just see a better player this time around dude. I mean, I'm not Insua's biggest fan BUT I know he is a better player than he showed last season, I think the same applies to Jonno. I think he can still be a key player for us this coming season.
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