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by **bunglemark2** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:05 pm

Right....I haven't read thru the past dozen pages or so....so can anybody distill the rumour into anything even remotely resembling a likely outcome (Note: This is not a cue for lakes to post his customary unsubstantiated b0ll0cks purporting to be fact)
I take it we are absolutely no closer to a change of ownership....

by **parchpea** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:21 pm

If these people are seriously looking to purchase the football club you wouldnt really expect them to be getting involved with the media but rather conduct the whole affair behind closed doors and with their gobs firmly shut until a deal is done. Both these interested parties seem intent on trying to seek advantage outside private talks with Broughton and as such this would surely not be in their favour at all. At this point I have to say its gobeldygook and mystery to me as to where we are and what may happen and frankly you get the impression that the powers that be within the football club are in the same boat.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:27 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Lakes , can i ask where you get your information from regarding Kenny Huangs finances from?

His mate of course

by **Ciggy** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:34 pm

Ha ha nice to see our potential new owner act with class and keeping up with the Liverpool Way slating our ex manager off before he's even in the hot seat :laugh:

Fuck off you odious gobshite this has all the hallmarks of that lying b@stard snake Gillett written all over it.
His mysterious big name backer from Canada is Gillett I will bet my life on it.

by **In and Out** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:40 pm

Ciggy wrote:Ha ha nice to see our potential new owner act with class and keeping up with the Liverpool Way slating our ex manager off before he's even in the hot seat

Fuck off you odious gobshite this has all the hallmarks of that lying b@stard snake Gillett written all over it.
His mysterious big name backer from Canada is Gillett I will bet my life on it.

Let's not go there, we've had 'some of our own' slagging Roy off even before a ball was kicked in anger.

by **tubby** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:48 pm

In and Out wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Ha ha nice to see our potential new owner act with class and keeping up with the Liverpool Way slating our ex manager off before he's even in the hot seat

Fuck off you odious gobshite this has all the hallmarks of that lying b@stard snake Gillett written all over it.
His mysterious big name backer from Canada is Gillett I will bet my life on it.

Let's not go there, we've had 'some of our own' slagging Roy off even before a ball was kicked in anger.

This is different mate, he is potentially our new owner. I knew he was dirty anyway and he has shown us all he has no class.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:53 pm

In and Out wrote:Let's not go there, we've had 'some of our own' slagging Roy off even before a ball was kicked in anger.

You just cant let it go can you? Anyway Im not the one trying to buy the club this Pizza shop & offie owner is.

And your as boring as feck by bringing up your tiring bullsh!t every 5 minutes give it a rest.

by **Reg** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:59 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Exactly Nan big mistake slating Rafa like that - guy can f.uck off as far as I'm concerned

Too freakin' right. Fffffffffffffffffff :censored:

right off laddie.

You see the problem of actively looking for outsiders with money who have no knolwedge of football or our culture as opposed to men driven by the love of the game with respect for the community? Sickening.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:00 am

in Martin Broughton we trust...

by **Rush Job** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:31 am

JoeTerp wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Reg wrote:Look, 'we' have no knolwedge of Saddam the Syrian's terms but I'm telling you now I do not want a friend of T&T's to take over, I do not want a Syrian who traditionally have no interest in football, experience of running top flight clubs nor track record of sporting prowess and are governed by a dicatator who promotes global terrorism. I do not want a guy who has nothing 'special' to offer, Syria is not a 'new market' in which we will tap significant revenues, nor is anywhere in the eastern med area, nor Canada. He will continue the plan of T&T to milk the media rights and increase prices etc.. Its an old, worn out business plan, we know it doesnt work. This is not the right guy to safeguard the furure of our football club nor come in to rebuild our fortunes.

Kenny Heung nor China have the requisite football experience but they do have access to a 1.5 billion people home market that if wisely exploited will create substantial income for the club and raise our profile in the far east market - the future revenue earning region in the world. China will also become a superpower and in principle we could be the strongest team in the strongest country with the largest population and collectively massive disposable income. Selling TV rights into China will yield a mighty return. In principle Kenny also has CIC worth $313 billion behind him.

This Syrian does not represent the future, he has nothing to offer. The Chinese have money, a market and massive potential.

Like I said, I do not know the terms of Saddam´s offer but I hope to goodness SSN is deeply wrong, I hope that Broughton will have already established my above points. SOS - must - immediately contact the club to ascertain the truth and to establish whether they are going with Saddam. A weaker bid from the Chinese - with a future - is better than a few more million upfront and no future. Ask Moores.....

I really do not want to believe we could fúck up the ownership again.... it would break us.

Isnt the chinese government a dictatorship? I mean its not as if the people choose there leaders is it?

I aint no fan of the Syrian Tyrant buy come on china isnt exactly angels. Just ask the people of Tibet or the chinese muslims who are made to suffer all kinds of oppression.

Come on people why don't you research the subject before commenting?

CIC are an investment arm of the Chinese sovereign wealth fund, it isn't a hobby for senior leaders of the Chinese government. They have no jurisdiction in business, only where to spend the money. Once the money is invested their power is limited.

The scare mongering is getting pathetic.

so?

where did the money come from in the first place? Who is granting the CIC permission to invest the money on the 'state's' behalf? Certainly nothing to do with the people of China.

Its a sovereign wealth fund its not like they or any other government would ask the people before every investment.
Atleast their money is being invested instead of p!ssed up a wall. Was there a vote before we bailed out RBS or the US trillion doller bail out? Or to send US citizens taxes to an offshore bank?
Also when the (our) governments nationalise their banking systems doesnt that as good as make us communist too?
And lets not leave out Fascism

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

My point is when it comes to pollitics their all as bad as each other, they all play slightly different versions of the same game and bringing it into this is pointless. This is about us and whats best for us as a football club and supporters, the right or lack of of people half the world away shouldnt come into it, you sort your own house out first.
FWIW I dont like the look of either group but if it has to be one I`m going with the ones backed by CIC, because they would be in the best possition to take us forward.
As it is we dont even know for sure they are involved, too many mystery investers IMO.

by **Ciggy** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:47 am

Well feckin said Maddock !!!!

A word of warning to Tom Hicks and George Gillett. Don’t make Liverpool fans angry. You won’t like them when they’re angry.
If the Americans think that they’ve had a tough time from the supporters of the club they own, then they ain't seen nothing yet. Because, believe me, there is a :censored:

storm brewing, and it is heading their way.
When they bought the club, the two Yanks said they were merely “custodians” of Liverpool’s rich and illustrious history, and they would ensure that legacy continued. What happened next is well documented, but they were not custodians in any sense of the word.
Now, at last, they are leaving, but even when they have finally done something right in choosing to sell up, they seem intent on doing it in a manner which will merely heap more shame on their disastrous regime.
Last weekend, it was revealed that the Americans have now converted their loans on the club to a similar agreement to that utilised by the Glazer family at Old Trafford, which essentially defers the debt and wracks it up in ever increasing numbers.
Some estimates suggest levels could even double within the next two years, and everyone agrees that if a buyer can’t be found within the next few weeks, then the club is doomed financially.
That will force the major creditor, the Royal Bank of Scotland, to make a tough decision over the future of the club. They can call in their loans – all £250m or so of it – and effectively move Liverpool towards administration, with the threat of a nine point penalty.
Or they can assume control themselves, by effectively taking Liverpool as a wholly-owned subsidiary of their business against any defaulted payments. As bizarre as this seems, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility, because the bank could then sell on to recoup their outlay.
The third option is a sale before the current loans are up for renewal in October, hence all the fevered activity over the past few weeks, as the Americans look to offload their investment while clearing a fat profit.
But they are playing a game of brinkmanship in trying to force up the price, and they are doing it with the very future of Liverpool Football Club, one of the most illustrious and famous sports clubs in the world.
And if they continue with their tawdry little games, then they will risk the ire of the long-suffering fans at Anfield, and risk a reaction that will make recent protests look like a boy scouts parade.
The supporters are already angry, very angry. Listen to some of them, to judge for yourselves. Alan Kayll, chairman of the Liverpool Supporters’ Club, believes that unless the Americans show some responsibility soon, then they will live to regret it.
“We are appalled at what is happening with our club, we are appalled at figures which show interest being paid at a level of millions of pounds a month,” he said.
“How can the club still function with the refinancing package they agreed in April? We urge these two parasites to let the board sell the club this week, so we don’t have to pay another £15m by the end of August.
“They may be destroying our club, financially, but they won’t destroy us supporters from fighting against them and ending this sorry mess we find ourselves in.”The problem for Liverpool fans, is that even in selling the club, Hicks and Gillett seem intent on playing the role of pantomime villains.
The chairman Martin Broughton and his board are supposed to have the right to find a ‘best fit’ buyer who will offer the brightest future for the club, even if they don’t necessarily offer the highest price.
Yet we learn that the Americans themselves have been negotiating privately, and are intent on finding a buyer not in the interests of the club, but the interests of their pockets.
We shouldn’t be surprised, because we discovered a long time ago the extent of their greed, but we should be worried. The person they seem willing to do business with hardly looks like the best fit for Liverpool’s long-term health.
He is Syrian businessman Yahya Kirdi, who was originally described as a ‘billionaire’, but in fact has no significant money of his own. He was originally described as a ‘former international footballer’, but in fact wasn’t.
He was described as a ‘corporate businessman’, but in fact owned, variously, some pizza outlets and a clothes store. There is also a suggestion he was once a ‘handyman’, who could fix various odd-job problems. So maybe he could turn his hand to running up a new stadium.
He has been linked, in recent weeks, with another Syrian businessman, Rami Makhlouf, with whom he apparently has some business connections. There is a Rami Makhlouf from Syria who is a major international business player with close connections to the government there... but who has had his assets frozen in the United States, and is forbidden from doing business with any US citizens.
There is a quite brilliant piece of investigative journalism on Yahya Kirdi by Jim Boardman on a Liverpool supporters’ website, Anfield Road, and I urge you to read it on by clicking here.
No wonder Liverpool fans are angry, because even if the man the Americans are in talks with proves to have the money to buy the club, can he really satisfy Broughton, never mind the Premier League’s fit and proper person test?
Kirdi claims that he will have an agreement in place by the weekend. One rather suspects that if he does, then there will be a revolt amongst the supporters the likes of which has never before been seen in English football.
Dave Usher, the editor of the consistently sensible and impressive fans’ website, The Liverpool Way, says that the many, many thousands of supporters who use his forum have had enough.
“What is clear is that the fans won’t take any more of this. With revelations about the ridiculous levels of borrowing in recent weeks, and the lengths the owners are ready to go to in their attempts to squeeze yet more profit out of the club and the fans, then there is going to be a massive reaction,” he said.
“If they think the supporters will simply sit back and let it happen, then they are mistaken. There have been some protests against them so far, but unless the right thing happens very soon, then they will nothing compared to what comes next.”
The problem for Liverpool fans, is that there seems little chance of a swift takeover. Unless Kirdi is a mere stalking horse for a fit and proper buyer – which seems unlikely – then there are few alternatives.
Kenny Huang’s Chinese bid has real merit in that it is based in the calm financial reality of expanding lucrative Far East markets, but it is clear the offer won’t meet the levels of profits the Americans demand, and so at best will be a protracted, painful war of attrition that could take months to resolve.
Another alternative, the wealthy Sahara Group from India, said earlier this week they would not be bidding “at this stage”, which again suggests if they are to bid, it will be some time in the distance, while the Al Kharafi family seem to have financial problems of their own, and are not thought likely to bid.
Which leaves the Royal Bank of Scotland takeover option. And that means you and I could be the next owners of Liverpool Football Club, given that the government is the majority shareholder in that bank.
In which case, me, Alan Kayll, Jim Boradman and Dave Usher are all claiming our place on the Anfield board right now. Given the job done by the current mob, we probably wouldn’t do any worse – and at least you’d know what the hell is going on……

by **Reg** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:08 am

Got to say if Kenny and The Syrian are the only 2 potential buyers it doesnt look very good does it?

by **Rush Job** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:19 am

Reg wrote:Got to say if Kenny and The Syrian are the only 2 potential buyers it doesnt look very good does it?

I know.Where is sheik mo when you need him?

Go on lad put a cheaky bid in.

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:20 am

Rush Job wrote:
Reg wrote:Got to say if Kenny and The Syrian are the only 2 potential buyers it doesnt look very good does it?

I know.Where is sheik mo when you need him?

Go on lad put a cheaky bid in.

I think the Syrian working for Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum ...

by **dundreamin** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:20 am

All these barstewards G&H Broughton,Purslow etc are in it for the MONEY.They don,t care what happens to the club they only care about themselves. If the news owners treat the club the same as these t.wats have they will end up getting shot. Am fuming here MOORES PARRY hang your heads in shame,because it was YOU who put us in this mess due to your GREED t.wats:angry: :angry:

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