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Postby Scottbot » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:13 pm

Read between the lines on the article above:

- Not one mention of clearing or paying the debt, talks of taking it on. Sounds to me like a bid that would still involve a significant element of debt plus (no doubt) a tidy equity profit for the two c...u...n...t...s. I suspect it will be another leveraged buyout, only less so which is of absolutely no use to us.
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Postby stmichael » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:21 pm

Apparently the creditors have been given the green light to go after Hicks' other companies which you would think would make RBS want a quicker sale.
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Postby Ciggy » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:24 pm

devaney wrote:What however followed was a leverage process that has endangered the very existence of LFC. On that basis let's never use the phrase we'll cross that bridge when we come to it because it will be too late!

If you read what I said properly I said to Lakes lets cross that bridge when we come to it about Human Rights protestors running on the pitch, not about the actual take over.

People only have to check the labels on their clothes and things in the house to see where they are made nearly everything is made in China, should we boycott everything made in China we would have nothing left.
im not clued up on their human rights, but the sharia law in the middle east is of the dinosaur ages in some parts, no ones complaining about Citys owner.

Birminghams owner is from China no ones complaining about the human rights and him, our current owner Hicks was behind George Bush getting into power look at the devistation that horrible b@stard has caused in the Middle East and our soliders being killed because HE decided to invade Iraq.

Who is clean these days in business/money? Hicks didnt get rich helping old ladies cross the road this b@stard hasnt cared who he has hurt/hurts in the process of earning a quick buck, the same goes for Abramovich he earned his money from erm "U know what" :glare:

This Ambani fella whos interested look at the poor people in India, Mumbai and the likes, we could go on and on about it all day we just have to wait and see how it pans out before we get panic stricken over China's, India, Saudi Arabia's Human Right.

There is no 'clean' money anywhere. Someone, somewhere, had to suffer for it.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:25 pm

Scottbot wrote:Read between the lines on the article above:

- Not one mention of clearing or paying the debt, talks of taking it on. Sounds to me like a bid that would still involve a significant element of debt plus (no doubt) a tidy equity profit for the two c...u...n...t...s. I suspect it will be another leveraged buyout, only less so which is of absolutely no use to us.

Dont want the syrian or rhone group anywhere near the club - i believe hicks and gillette would still be involved in the club in some way .
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Postby tubby » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:26 pm

Whoever takes over, the important thing is that they don't latch the debt back onto the club. We need someone to clear the debt in the form of a soft loan, like Abramovich done at Chelsea.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:27 pm

Huang set to give Hodgson £150m vote of confidence

Tony Barrett, Tony Evans
Updated 21 minutes ago

Roy Hodgson will keep his job as Liverpool manager and be handed £150 million to spend on new players if the Chinese Government’s bid to buy the club proves successful. fallback.gif

As revealed in The Times today, Kenny Huang, the Hong Kong-based businessman, is fronting the bid by China Investment Corporation (CIC), the overseas investment arm of the Chinese Government. A formal offer has still to be lodged, but although there is interest from other parties, Huang — backed by the wealth of one of the fastest-growing economies in the world — is believed to be the front-runner to complete a purchase.

CIC is prepared to back Hodgson by bankrolling a number of high-profile signings and has made a commitment to build a new stadium.

Liverpool are also attracting interest from the Rhône Group, the New York-based fund management firm, and the al-Kharafi family from Kuwait. Yahya Kirdi, a Canadian-based businessman from Syria, claimed yesterday that he is close to finalising a deal, but it is understood that he is negotiating only with George Gillett Jr, the club’s co-owner, and has not been involved with RBS, which holds Liverpool’s £237 million debt, or Barclays Capital, the investment bank overseeing the sale.

After his appointment as the successor to Rafael Benítez in July, Hodgson said that the possibility of a takeover had been a factor in discussions before he signed a three-year contract and revealed that clauses had been inserted in the deal affording him financial protection in the event of new owners deciding to replace him as manager.

The Chinese, though, have no desire to dispose of the 62-year-old, who insists that the situation has not prevented him from going about his job in the right manner.

“I knew when I came to the club that a takeover may or may not come about, that it may come about quickly or it may take a lot of time,” Hodgson said. “But I was given assurances that I would be allowed to do the job in the right way and that’s certainly been the case since I’ve been here.”

Asked would it be easier for the club to plan ahead under new owners, he said: “That’s for sure. But I don’t want to go down the ownership route because I don’t know enough about it, apart from knowing that, at the moment, unfortunately the owners we have are very unpopular with the fans. They know it and that is why they are prepared to sell the club.”

Hodgson takes charge of Liverpool at Anfield for the first time tonight when his team take a 2-0 lead into the second leg of the Europa League third qualifying round tie with Rabotnicki, of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. The manager is not willing to allow either himself or his players to hide behind the uncertainty surrounding the club, and insists that they must be masters of their own fortune.

Fernando Torres, who pledged his commitment to Liverpool yesterday, had recently called on the club to match his ambition by signing “four or five” top-class players, but Hodgson says that it is the responsibility of those already at the club to shape the future.

“As a player you have the chance to change things,” Hodgson said. “If you don’t think the team is doing as well as it should, as a player you can do something about it. If you are a big player, maybe you will. My attitude is that we want our big players because they are big players and they will help the team to win.

“Now if they are not playing well and not helping the team to win, I will be advising them to look into the mirror rather than look for excuses elsewhere and blame the owners for not having spent £500 million.

“I am just sceptical about comments where players are questioning the club’s ambition.”
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:30 pm

Liverpool board divided over whether to accept stunning Chinese government takeover bid


The Liverpool boardroom is deeply divided over whether the club should accept a stunning takeover bid from the Chinese government.

Goal.com UK understands that American owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks are desperate to obstruct a swift deal in order to hold out for as big a profit as possible from the sale of the club.

This has angered the other three board members - chairman Martin Broughton, managing director Christian Purslow and commercial director Ian Ayre – who want to find the most sustainable owner for the club and believe that the bid fronted by sports entrepreneur Kenny Huang is the only serious contender.

It comes amid reports that China’s foreign investment arm China Investment Corporation (CIC) is the mystery backer behind Huang and could hand Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson a formidable £150 million transfer kitty to spend on new players.

Liverpool, who have debts of £237m, are expected to change hands later this month and the Chinese appear to be in pole position to win a takeover battle that also includes the American private equity consortium the Rhone Group and Syrian businessman Yahya Kirdi.

It is believed that Kirdi has a close working relationship with Gillett’s son, which has prompted speculation that the Syrian’s involvement is being used as a stalling tactic by the Anfield co-owner.

Yet the broker for Kirdi said today that the Syrian and his investment group are negotiating directly with the Americans – not with Broughton or Barclays Capital - and want to agree on a deal that would allow the pair to “walk away with a profit” before Liverpool open their Premier League campaign on 15 August.

“We are prepared to take as long as it takes to get the deal done properly but all the participants would be pleased if we could have it in place for Liverpool’s home Premier League opener against Arsenal,” said Dan Diamond, president of Montreal-based GameDay Leadership Management Consultants.

It is Gillett and Hicks’ decision to negotiate above the heads of their fellow directors that has angered Broughton, Purslow and Ayre, who share three of the five boardroom votes.

Broughton and Barclays Capital – the investment arm of Barclays Bank – were appointed on 16 April to handle the sale of the club and are aiming to make a final decision on a preferred bidder by the end of next week.

It is not known who Broughton feels is the strongest bid but it is understood that the non-executive chairman would want a consensus in the boardroom.

A source close to the process says that Purslow and Ayre favour the Huang-led Chinese consortium, which has assets of £209 billion under management. Most of the cash is tied up in equity and bond markets, although China Daily, the English language arm of the Chinese state media, reported yesterday that CIC has spent the past fortnight selling shares that would, coincidentally, raise precisely the amount of cash required to finance a bid for Liverpool.

Huang values Liverpool at around £325m, less than half Hicks’ £800m asking price. To break even on a sale, the American owners would need to fetch a price of £362m. They paid £218m for the club in 2007 and invested a further £144m.

Incorrect - They lent the money through Kop Caymen and expect the money to be paid back to them
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Postby Scottbot » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:31 pm

Scottbot wrote:He did say that they have agreed a fee with the Americans that includes taking on the £237m loan from RBS, providing funding for a new stadium and some transfer activity, and an equity consideration for Hicks and Gillett.


“The enthusiasm of the investors will also ensure that there are sufficient funds to allow the owners to get the best possible help that can be found and execute an intelligent program to advance the club up the league table.”

This bit worries me the most. Take on the loan? What good is that? No mention of paying it? no mention of clearing it? and if the intention was to clear the debt then have no doubt it would have been mentioned within these quotes, no doubt at all.

Simply impossible to build a new stadium without clearing the current debt levels within the club. New owners have ot be able to wipe the debt (or virtually) and then (no doubt) be in a position to borrow funds to build the stadium. Once the stadium is built, the extra revenues generated service the debt incurred for x amount of years without doing too much damage to budgets for players/wages etc.

I suspect the best way for this to be resolved will be for the Chinese bid to match the equity promises made by Kirdi's group rather than the aggressive moves they have reportedly been making with regards to going to RBS to buy the debt.The 2 c...u...n...t...s will not be leaving without a decent profit. Everyone needs to accept this I think.
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Postby redmikey » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:34 pm

please just let us not go from the deep fat fryer to the wok........................... we need stability over moral pureifacation i agree with the post that no one is concerned where  the arba money comes from, even though i hope we would show a little more restraint as a club and fan compared to man city, the over payers of world football, lescott 22 mill ..................................

would love to see macha stay, and the club seek to bring players of his level to the club at the right price
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Postby Scottbot » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:34 pm

Is it worth switching the letter writing campaign to Ian Ayre and Christian Purslow? In the current situation these guys have as much (if not more) say over matters than the likes of RBS.
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Postby Waldo » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:38 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Liverpool board divided over whether to accept stunning Chinese government takeover bid


The Liverpool boardroom is deeply divided over whether the club should accept a stunning takeover bid from the Chinese government.

Goal.com UK understands that American owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks are desperate to obstruct a swift deal in order to hold out for as big a profit as possible from the sale of the club.

This has angered the other three board members - chairman Martin Broughton, managing director Christian Purslow and commercial director Ian Ayre – who want to find the most sustainable owner for the club and believe that the bid fronted by sports entrepreneur Kenny Huang is the only serious contender.

It comes amid reports that China’s foreign investment arm China Investment Corporation (CIC) is the mystery backer behind Huang and could hand Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson a formidable £150 million transfer kitty to spend on new players.

Liverpool, who have debts of £237m, are expected to change hands later this month and the Chinese appear to be in pole position to win a takeover battle that also includes the American private equity consortium the Rhone Group and Syrian businessman Yahya Kirdi.

It is believed that Kirdi has a close working relationship with Gillett’s son, which has prompted speculation that the Syrian’s involvement is being used as a stalling tactic by the Anfield co-owner.

Yet the broker for Kirdi said today that the Syrian and his investment group are negotiating directly with the Americans – not with Broughton or Barclays Capital - and want to agree on a deal that would allow the pair to “walk away with a profit” before Liverpool open their Premier League campaign on 15 August.

“We are prepared to take as long as it takes to get the deal done properly but all the participants would be pleased if we could have it in place for Liverpool’s home Premier League opener against Arsenal,” said Dan Diamond, president of Montreal-based GameDay Leadership Management Consultants.

It is Gillett and Hicks’ decision to negotiate above the heads of their fellow directors that has angered Broughton, Purslow and Ayre, who share three of the five boardroom votes.

Broughton and Barclays Capital – the investment arm of Barclays Bank – were appointed on 16 April to handle the sale of the club and are aiming to make a final decision on a preferred bidder by the end of next week.

It is not known who Broughton feels is the strongest bid but it is understood that the non-executive chairman would want a consensus in the boardroom.

A source close to the process says that Purslow and Ayre favour the Huang-led Chinese consortium, which has assets of £209 billion under management. Most of the cash is tied up in equity and bond markets, although China Daily, the English language arm of the Chinese state media, reported yesterday that CIC has spent the past fortnight selling shares that would, coincidentally, raise precisely the amount of cash required to finance a bid for Liverpool.

Huang values Liverpool at around £325m, less than half Hicks’ £800m asking price. To break even on a sale, the American owners would need to fetch a price of £362m. They paid £218m for the club in 2007 and invested a further £144m.

Incorrect - They lent the money through Kop Caymen and expect the money to be paid back to them

So Broughton, Purslow and Aire are keen on the chinaman's bid and dumb and dumber the Syrian's bid...this has the potential to get very messy.

That being said if 3 of the 5 board members support the idea of the chinese bid then that is a majority. That is on the premise that each board member has equal voting power, which is the worry with the yanks... ???
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:39 pm

From what Barcap and Broughton have been saying mate all the votes are equally and they thought bringing in Broughton would be benefical for them.
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Postby bigmick » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:47 pm

It would be the supremest of ironies if the cronies who the two c...s brought in (Ayres, Broughton and Purslow) actually voted against them and sent them packing with next to no profit  :laugh: :laugh: Now that would be funny.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:48 pm

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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:49 pm

bigmick wrote:It would be the supremest of ironies if the cronies who the two c...s brought in (Ayres, Broughton and Purslow) actually voted against them and sent them packing with next to no profit  :laugh: :laugh: Now that would be funny.

I also thought what if Gillett votes against Hicks just to get himself out of the situation.

After all Hicks did blocks his attempts to leave before, when he tried to sell his stake to DIC.
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