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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:39 pm

heimdall wrote:It actually sounds to me like Rafa might be acting like a bit of a pr1ck as well, if he is promising the stars in the sky to players before agreeing the finances with Parry then he is acting like a jerk and making Parry out to be the bad guy. Don't get me wrong I'm not the biggest fan of Parry either but I think he cares more for the club than Rafa does and certainly more than that complete moron Hicks does.
What the hell is wrong with Hicks why doesn't he just sell, I cannot understand what he wants, the economy is going to sh1t so in the short term he will not make more money from the club than DIC is offering. I am starting to think he is an Everton fan as he certainly seems bitter enough.  :wwww

Hiemdell you have well and truley lost the plot if you think Raffa is siding with Hicks or anyone fot that matter. i said before we have a fan on the inside working for us and his name is Raffa Benitez He will plot the downfall mate of these yanks and Parry.

He loves this club just as much as we do any other manager would have :censored: off by now with all what been going on even down to touting his job and yet hes still here. Just wait until this nightmare is over and you will see Raffa has done whats best for us. He hates these Yanks as much as we do so yes hes playin a game but hes playin the game for LFC
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Postby zarababe » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:17 pm

The first action has to be to get rid of the 'Yanks' - then the new owners need to review the structure. Parry has lost respect and done the club a disservice with the decision to sell to these clowns.. how can the focus be about board room shanigans when we have just reached our 3rd semi of Europe's premier competition?

Really disappointed - when is this going to end !!
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Postby Ciggy » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:53 pm

David Moores speaks out over Liverpool crisis
Apr 11 2008 EXCLUSIVE By Tony Barrett

LIVERPOOL FC life president David Moores has opened his heart to the ECHO to tell of his personal devastation at the crisis engulfing Anfield.

In a rare interview, to be published in Saturday's ECHO, the former club owner spoke of his heartbreak over the civil war between co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Moores sold the club to the Americans little over a year ago, having rebuffed Dubai International Capital, who were originally lined up to buy the club.

The Americans have fallen out over a series of controversies, with Dallas-based Hicks now having called for the resignation of chief executive Rick Parry, with whom Moores worked closely for almost a decade.

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Postby Reg » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:46 pm

Wow !!  Moorsey joins the fray!

I hope to go.d he says the right thing and sticks the knife into Hicks - which I am sure he will cos you have to summise he´s broken cover in support of Coco.
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Postby Reg » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:52 pm

Have you seen this sh!te on Wiki under Rick Parry?  Last para - scandelous, who wrote it?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Parry

On the 10th of April 2008, Parry was asked to leave the club by Liverpool FC co-owner Hicks but he has told Hicks to "shove it".
Hicks responded by telling Parry "He would play the waiting game" and "he would find a way to sack him, they always do."
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Postby tubby » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:22 pm

Wiki isnt regulated properly. That line could have potentially come from any fan or person alike.
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Postby PabloAimar » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:02 pm

its got to the stage where u've got to laugh...

2 yank owners n a cheif exec called 'coco'
coco's been asked to leave by one of the yanks, but he cant coz he's in bed with the other yank.
the fans want them all to leave so we can become the property of the dubai government.
and in the middle of it all, we've got a spanish manager who's sed little more than, "for sure," on the whole issue.

oh, and to top it off, coco's wikipedia article makes for an interesting read...
QUOTE: Parry was asked to leave the club by Liverpool FC co-owner Hicks but he has told Hicks to "shove it". Hicks responded by telling Parry "He would play the waiting game" and "he would find a way to sack him, they always do."  UNQUOTE
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Postby PabloAimar » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:08 pm

and david moores' wikipedia entry reads:

"David is currently married to Marjorie (Marge)."
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Postby Reg » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:13 am

April 12, 2008 The Times

George Gillett Jr backs Rick Parry in Anfield power battle

The situation at Liverpool reached a new low last night after the gloves came off and the divisions were laid bare in the bitter boardroom struggle at the Barclays Premier League club.

After Rick Parry launched a damning indictment of Tom Hicks’s attempts to remove him from office, George Gillett Jr offered his full public backing to the Liverpool chief executive, further damaging relations between the club’s warring American co-owners.

Coming days after Liverpool reached the Champions League semi-finals for the third time in four seasons, Parry branded Hicks’s request that he step down, which came in a three-page letter, as “offensive to the players, the manager, the fans, In the week when we had another great European triumph there’s more dirty linen being washed [in public]”.

Parry reiterated that he had no intention of resigning, while making a plea for “leadership at the top” at a time when there is “a severe lack of unity” at the club, but it was the defiance displayed by Gillett towards Hicks that resonated and heightened fears that the struggle for ownership could continue to be played out in public for some time as tensions between the rival factions spiral out of control.

The “first refusal” agreement between Gillett and Hicks, in which one must offer the other the chance to buy his 50 per cent stake before selling to a third party, is believed to expire at the end of next month. Despite the acrimony in the boardroom, the commitment of Dubai International Capital (DIC), the private equity investment arm of the Dubai Government, to buy the club was described as “remorseless” by one source last night.

Hicks is thought to have wanted Parry out for at least six weeks but decided to wait until after Liverpool’s three matches against Arsenal in the Barclays Premier League and Europe before making his move, but Parry has the support of the majority of his fellow board members — Gillett, Gillett’s son Foster and David Moores, the honorary life president — so any attempt appears doomed to failure.

“Rick Parry retains our full support,” Gillett said. “Any decision to remove him would need the approval of the full Liverpool board, which, it should be remembered, consists of six people — myself, Foster, David Moores, Rick himself, Tom Hicks and Tom Jr.

Parry learnt of Hicks’s intentions via text messages from family members asking whether the reports breaking on Thursday afternoon were true, but Hicks’s camp cast doubt yesterday on Gillett’s suggestions that he had not seen the letter, which they say was circulated to all board members.

Although Hicks was irked by a radio interview conducted by Parry last month, during which the Liverpool chief executive was critical of the Texan, the letter outlined various reasons behind the call for his resignation. Rafael Benítez, the Liverpool manager, is alleged to have told Hicks that Parry was responsible for allowing a series of high-profile transfer targets to slip through the net.

Benítez, whose weekly press briefing was cancelled yesterday, had been privately critical of Parry for some time and was dismayed at losing out on Florent Malouda, the France winger, to Chelsea and Nemanja Vidic, the Serbia defender, to Manchester United, although after Liverpool’s success this week, sources claimed that the Spaniard was “incensed” that their achievements should be overshadowed by more boardroom strife.

Hicks is also thought to have accused Parry in the letter of failing to maximise Liverpool’s commercial potential. Similarly, Hicks was angered by a dressing-down given to Ian Ayre, the club’s commercial director and a close ally, by Gillett in Parry’s company this week. Ayre was officially on a “day off” yesterday and could not be contacted.

More protests against the present owners are planned by supporters at Liverpool’s match at home to Blackburn Rovers tomorrow.
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Postby LFC2007 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:52 am

Reg wrote:Have you seen this sh!te on Wiki under Rick Parry?  Last para - scandelous, who wrote it?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Parry

On the 10th of April 2008, Parry was asked to leave the club by Liverpool FC co-owner Hicks but he has told Hicks to "shove it".
Hicks responded by telling Parry "He would play the waiting game" and "he would find a way to sack him, they always do."

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We thought they might fire us. It has been a nightmare – a dreadful year'

Liverpool's beleaguered chief executive tells Ian Herbert that he has feared the sack ever since Hicks and Gillett took over

Liverpool's chief executive Rick Parry has revealed the "nightmare" of working under the co-ownership of Tom Hicks and said that he has been in fear of the sack for months as their relationship has deteriorated.

It was Parry's work behind the scenes last December that ensured that most of the refinanced loans taken out for the purchase of Liverpool by Hicks and George Gillett jnr were secured against the Americans' holding company, rather than the club, and Parry told The Independent yesterday that he knew from that moment that Hicks would want to remove both him and former chairman David Moores, who received £88m for selling his 51.6% stake to Hicks and who retains a seat on the board. Parry's suspicions were confirmed on Thursday when a letter arrived from Hicks, demanding he quit.

"David and I thought we would be out on our ears in December. We thought they [Hicks and Gillett] might fire us," said Parry, who is seeking legal advice over Hicks' demand. "They didn't, to be fair, though what we did has not been forgotten. It's been a nightmare throughout – a dreadful year."

Though Hicks' relationship with Parry has soured, the chief executive has established a cordial relationship with Gillett, who telephoned him to assure him of his support after the Hicks camp let details of the letter be known. The reassurance did not come immediately for Parry. He messaged Gillett to say 'have you seen this?' after one of Parry's own family saw news of Hicks' demand on Sky Sports News. Gillett – on a flight and uncontactable – had not, though Hicks had copied him in on it. It was after Gillett completed several flights that the two spoke. Parry does not intend to speak to Hicks. "I have made my position clear to him," he said.

Parry revealed that Hicks and Gillett are now planning to enter a process of arbitration to resolve the impasse over the club's ownership, in which Hicks is refusing to allow Gillett to sell to suitors Dubai International Capital (DIC). Parry admitted that the situation needed to be resolved by next month if Liverpool's plans for next season were not to be placed in serious jeopardy. "This is not fatal but if you slip into May/June [without a transfer strategy] it's more difficult," he said.

It seems increasingly unlikely that Hicks will find the money to take control at Anfield – a move which, in Parry's words, would put himself "out of the door". There is no sign of the minority investors the Texan has said he has lined up and the publicity generated by his frequent statements are understood to have made some London financiers unwilling to get involved. Merrill Lynch's New York office has recently been engaged to raise funds.

Against this backdrop, Parry said yesterday that Hicks' demand for his resignation was the desperate act of "a vindictive man" that demonstrated that, contrary to reports last Sunday that he might be 10 days away from securing control of the club, he is nowhere near. "If he is so confident he is going to buy the club in 10 days, why not just wait until then and sack me?"

A public statement of support for Parry from Gillett provided some succour for the former Premier League chief executive yesterday. As well as declaring "full support" for Parry, Gillett added: "Any decision to remove him would need the full support of the Liverpool board which, it should be remembered, consists of six people – myself , Foster [Gillett's son], David Moores, Rick himself, Tom Hicks and Tom junior. We have not seen the document in question and we were not party to it. We are not able to comment on the detail because we have not seen it."

But the depth of the damage done to the club was evident yesterday when, for the first time in his four-year career at Anfield, Rafael Benitez was forced to cancel his weekly press briefing, which would have focussed on Liverpool's triumph over Arsenal. It was the club's decision to cancel, but Benitez is understood to have been worried being drawn into the factional strife in which he had been seen as pro-Hicks and anti-Parry.

Though Parry was at first convinced that the Americans represented the way forward for Liverpool – "to them, our virtues, heritage and culture are precious assets that will help to inspire everyone connected with us to continue to strive for further success – both on and off the field," he told shareholders 14 months ago. Hicks' incongruity at the club was evident from the start.

One insider recalled yesterday the embarrassment felt when Hicks arrived at last year's Champions League tie at home to Barcelona with "a huge red scarf around his neck." He was, said the source, "a nightmare at the stadium that night."

But it is the breakdown of the relationship between Hicks and Gillett which is creating factions at the club and has done most to poison the Texan's relationship with Parry. Gillett was furious when Hicks went public about discussions with Jürgen Klinsmann about the manager's job in January – discussions which Gillett initiated but which Hicks then took over and monopolised.

The way in which the refinancing of the debt was announced in February was a significant moment in the deepening fissure between the two. Hicks insisted on a press release revealing the news while Gillett did not since he did not consider it something to be triumphal about. Gillett insisted that his name be kept off Hicks' press release. The division plumbed new depths when Gillett made a public attack on Hicks on Canadian radio last month and the view from within Anfield is that that attack was a pre-emptive strike by Gillett, ahead of Hicks' renewed pursuit of funds to buy him out.

With Parry so evidently in the Gillett camp and supportive of his attempts to sell to DIC, Hicks resolved weeks ago to remove him from the post he has held for 11 years.

Some sources suggest that Tom Hicks jnr has been informing friends in Liverpool for the past six weeks that his father's camp wants Parry out. But the catalyst seems to have been Tuesday's visit by Gillett to the city centre offices of Liverpool's commercial director Ian Ayre. Gillett, accompanied by Parry, reminded Ayre that he is employed by both, not just Hicks. Ayre, seen as a possible successor to Parry when hired, reportedly assisted Hicks in London last week as he tried to raise cash to help fund a buy-out of Gillett.

As the fracturing of his troubled club went on, Benitez delivered his thoughts on tomorrow's visitors Blackburn – a game vital to his side's ambitions to claim fourth spot ahead of Everton – to a club employee, who posted them on the website. "[Blackburn] are a tough team to play against because physically they are aggressive, they are well organised and it has been difficult against them in the past, but maybe this time it will be different."

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Postby Ciggy » Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:47 am

Can someone please explain to me what the :censored:inell is going on with Tom Hicks?

The brass big mouthed :censored: keeps airing the dirty laundry in public, he is damaging LFC with every passing day he is in charge.

Out of our fan base there is 99% that hate his guts, he is making the club a laughing stock, he is making a mockery out of the most successful club in England.

The greats of the past and the fans made this club what it is with hard work only for this :censored: to come in and wipe that away in less than a year.

Who the :censored: does he think he is?
Most of us see Liverpool as part of our family, and we dont take to kindly when someone is trying to hurt it or damage it.

He values the club at 1 billion is he off his rocker?  How can a club in such turmoil be worth 1 billion? Please tell me.

Its nearly the end of the season, we could lose our manager through this man and some of our players may leave with our manager, what players will want to come here with so much :censored: going on?

And if players want CL football and Rafas rep in the comp if he leaves it will be a good few years before we will be getting to semi's and finals in the CL.

Doesnt this :censored: realise this?

I cannot fathom him out, everytime the attention is on the team, :censored: features opens his fat gob me me me me look at me I need the attention not the team or club, big fat :censored: me.

Just :censored: off and die you horrible cretin sorry excuse for a human being.

I am livid.
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Postby metalhead » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:47 am

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heimdall wrote:It actually sounds to me like Rafa might be acting like a bit of a pr1ck as well, if he is promising the stars in the sky to players before agreeing the finances with Parry then he is acting like a jerk and making Parry out to be the bad guy. Don't get me wrong I'm not the biggest fan of Parry either but I think he cares more for the club than Rafa does and certainly more than that complete moron Hicks does.
What the hell is wrong with Hicks why doesn't he just sell, I cannot understand what he wants, the economy is going to sh1t so in the short term he will not make more money from the club than DIC is offering. I am starting to think he is an Everton fan as he certainly seems bitter enough.  :wwww

Hiemdell you have well and truley lost the plot if you think Raffa is siding with Hicks or anyone fot that matter. i said before we have a fan on the inside working for us and his name is Raffa Benitez He will plot the downfall mate of these yanks and Parry.

He loves this club just as much as we do any other manager would have :censored: off by now with all what been going on even down to touting his job and yet hes still here. Just wait until this nightmare is over and you will see Raffa has done whats best for us. He hates these Yanks as much as we do so yes hes playin a game but hes playin the game for LFC

spot on here nanny, any manager would have resigned because of things like that. Rafa didn't, he stayed even with the sh*t thats happening and took us to another Champions League semi final :nod
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Postby Reg » Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:01 am

David Moores: I'm shell-shocked at the damage being done to Liverpool Football Club
Apr 12 2008 EXCLUSIVE by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo


A HEARTBROKEN David Moores today called on Liverpool's warring co-owners to sort out their differences for the good of the club – or else stand aside and let someone else take over.

In his first interview since selling the club to Tom Hicks and George Gillett in February 2007, Moores told the ECHO how:

* He was left disgusted by the treatment of chief executive Rick Parry by Tom Hicks

* He believes Hicks and Gillett must either find common ground or walk away

* He feels let down by the “unacceptable” way the club has been run since he relinquished ownership

l He will do everything he can to get the club back on an even keel after so much turmoil.

Moores, who continues to act as honorary life president at Anfield and who maintains a place on the Liverpool board, said: “It's heartbreaking. I'm almost lost for words about the damage that's being done to the club at the present time.

“As a fan, and as someone who loves the club, it is totally unacceptable to see this being played out in the public arena.

“This is most certainly not what the club is about. In fact, I can't ever remember, even going back to when I was a supporter as a kid, stuff being played out in public like we have seen in the last six months.

“It is embarrassing and it is not an acceptable way of doing things.

“I've never known anything like it and I'm just absolutely shell-shocked.”

As far as Moores is concerned, one of the most upsetting things of all is the way the success Liverpool enjoyed on the pitch in beating Arsenal to make it through to the semi-finals of the Champions League has been almost forgotten amidst the off-field turmoil which has erupted since Hicks called on Parry to resign.

“The most heartbreaking thing about all of this is that we were on such a high after the Arsenal game on Tuesday night and then this comes along and completely takes over the great things the players and the manager did,” he said.

“The wonderful success they had that night has been completely diminished, it is completely gone, because of all of this being brought out into the open.

“All I can say is I feel very sorry that it has come to this, that how great it was on the night has been taken over by something which should have been dealt with in a far more delicate way and certainly not in public.

“It certainly doesn't help the team, because they're not getting all the praise they should be getting because of other things are taking priority.

“Everyone should be going on about how well they performed and how brilliant Rafa's tactics were. I mean, for goodness sake, three Champions League semi-finals in just four years is an unbelievable achievement.

“But the gloss has been taken off it and you should never do that.”

When Moores stepped down as owner, he welcomed Hicks and Gillett to the club but has become increasingly concerned at their apparent inability to act as “custodians” as they had promised and also their seeming lack of willingness to put the club ahead of their own personal interests.

And he today called on them to resolve their differences or leave the way clear for someone else to own the club who can provide the unity and stability it needs.

He said: “I didn't know Hicks very well, I knew George a lot better.

“George came across as a bubbly, enthusiastic man who loves his sport and is knowledgeable about it.

“But he didn't have the money to do the deal without bringing someone else on board.

“It was really right at the end that I met Tom Hicks so I didn't really get a chance to get to know him but I took George's word for it.

“It was in total good faith. I believed these fellas, I believed everything they said to me and they said it all again to the fans via the media and you can judge for yourselves whether they kept their promises.

“I am surprised because I thought that the pair of them, from what they said to me and to the fans through the media, that they appreciated the heritage and the values of the club.

“They talked about putting the money in and the new stadium and having no debt on the club. At the time I think we all felt it would be a good deal but it's not all materialised.

“I do feel let down. With everything that's going on, I have to feel let down.

“This is not how I foresaw it and I'm sure it's not how the fans foresaw it.

“If I could have afforded to take the club forward I would have done, but I couldn't. I didn't have the sort of money you need for a new stadium and £30-40m a year for new players.

“So I had no option. I would love to still be in charge but I would have held the club back.

“That's why I am asking these two gentlemen to think of the club, not their own kudos.

“The fans, the manager and the team all deserve better than this.

“We should now be focusing on continuity, stability and working our socks off towards enjoying what will hopefully be a super night in Moscow.

“But when things are played out like they are at present it virtually makes the club a laughing stock and that's not acceptable.

“How can they be acting as custodians when they are split down the middle?”

He added: “It needs to be resolved as quickly as possible. The two owners don't agree on a way forward and unity is essential.

“They have got to stop thinking of themselves and start thinking of the club, its values, its traditions and its heritage.

“They have to do what is best for the club and get it sorted as quickly as possible because what is happening at the moment is not doing it any good.

“I think the damage can be repaired but those two gentlemen have got to come to a quick agreement about the way forward.

“You would have to say if they can't do it then they will have to stand aside and let someone else do it.

“I can't say what these two gentlemen will do. Will they sell? I don't know.”

Having seen Liverpool suffer greatly in recent weeks as the battle between the two owners continues to rage, Moores today committed himself to doing everything in his power to get the club back on an even keel.

“We have got to keep the ship going and I will try my best, and I'm sure Rick will, that we will go on and try to get success at the end of the season, try to get off the politics and concentrate on what's happening on then pitch.

“You look at the fans and as everyone keeps saying they are like a 12th man.

“They were unbelievable again the other night and they deserve better than what's going on at present.

“All I can promise them is that I will do my damnedest to make certain that the club comes through this and we get back to concentrating on what happens on the pitch not off it.

“It is not my club anymore but I will do everything I can and I would like to give a huge vote of thanks to the fans for the wonderful support they have given the manager and the team.

“European nights at Anfield are something you wouldn't see anywhere else. They are unique, unbelievable and the fans make it that way.”
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Postby heimdall » Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:05 am

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heimdall wrote:It actually sounds to me like Rafa might be acting like a bit of a pr1ck as well, if he is promising the stars in the sky to players before agreeing the finances with Parry then he is acting like a jerk and making Parry out to be the bad guy. Don't get me wrong I'm not the biggest fan of Parry either but I think he cares more for the club than Rafa does and certainly more than that complete moron Hicks does.
What the hell is wrong with Hicks why doesn't he just sell, I cannot understand what he wants, the economy is going to sh1t so in the short term he will not make more money from the club than DIC is offering. I am starting to think he is an Everton fan as he certainly seems bitter enough.  :wwww

Hiemdell you have well and truley lost the plot if you think Raffa is siding with Hicks or anyone fot that matter. i said before we have a fan on the inside working for us and his name is Raffa Benitez He will plot the downfall mate of these yanks and Parry.

He loves this club just as much as we do any other manager would have :censored: off by now with all what been going on even down to touting his job and yet hes still here. Just wait until this nightmare is over and you will see Raffa has done whats best for us. He hates these Yanks as much as we do so yes hes playin a game but hes playin the game for LFC

spot on here nanny, any manager would have resigned because of things like that. Rafa didn't, he stayed even with the sh*t thats happening and took us to another Champions League semi final :nod

hang on here, all I was saying is that if Rafa is making unrealistic promises to players in terms of wages etc then he's being a bit of a tit, that's all.
Bottom line I am totally behind anyone and anything which can get rid of that horrible sh1t Hicks
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