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Postby NANNY RED » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:43 pm

Absolutly great article Saint

Rafa has just confirmed to us that hes not going nowhere we all know how much he loves this club and the fans and im made up to read that  :D

The ball lies in Gillette and Hicks court now to come out with something similar
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Postby bigmick » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:04 pm

Rafa's best interview by an absolute mile. If he tells it like it is and doesn't get drawn into silliness, the vast majority of Liverpool fans will back him to the hilt I have absolutely no doubt. Had he have said "And I'd just like to take this opportunity to admit that I have possibly, occasionally, slightly overdone rotation of the team in my time at Liverpool and this is one of the areas in which I think as a club we can improve" then I'd be backing him meself, it'll be me and Lando take the World.  :D
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Postby Dundalk » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:12 pm

Great to hear that from Rafa but its a shame he has to come out and do this. He has showed his commitment before and it should be obvious to anyone that he wants to stay here for a long time.
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Postby Sabre » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:14 pm

Similarly we could ask how many times the Americans have to back Rafa. We did hear some backing a couple of weeks ago, and it's not necessary more than 4 days of silence and the journos start to write stories and rumours again.
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Postby tubby » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:47 pm

Its simple really. If they give the money for Masch then they are backing him, if they dont then they arnt backing him. Until then the papers will do what do best - fill the pages.
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:50 pm

Sabre wrote:Similarly we could ask how many times the Americans have to back Rafa. We did hear some backing a couple of weeks ago, and it's not necessary more than 4 days of silence and the journos start to write stories and rumours again.

I think what the Americans did might be considered as damning with faint praise though Sabre.
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Postby JohnBull » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:21 am

The Krauts' sports promo firm has just completed a big job for G&H in the states and they are now best mates. Makes you wonder how these stories start but I cannot think of a worst manager at Liverpool than that over-rated German. I'd even consider going back with Houllier (just noticed that GH and G&H - spooky)
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Postby Bermenstein » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:31 am

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Postby redtrader74 » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:40 am

bavlondon wrote:Its simple really. If they give the money for Masch then they are backing him, if they dont then they arnt backing him. Until then the papers will do what do best - fill the pages.

Not necessarily, buying Mascher is the easy decision, he is a top class player who would enhance most sides, therefore useful to any manager who may arrive in the event that Rafa left and alternatively his value would not diminish in the short term. Its whether they back him in the smaller transfers, £5-7m, thats probably a better indicator of their relationship.
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Postby metalhead » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:02 am

redtrader74 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Its simple really. If they give the money for Masch then they are backing him, if they dont then they arnt backing him. Until then the papers will do what do best - fill the pages.

Not necessarily, buying Mascher is the easy decision, he is a top class player who would enhance most sides, therefore useful to any manager who may arrive in the event that Rafa left and alternatively his value would not diminish in the short term. Its whether they back him in the smaller transfers, £5-7m, thats probably a better indicator of their relationship.

But if Rafa leaves and got replaced, there is no guarentee that the owners would get Masch or even masch himself would stay at the club.
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:41 am

maguskwt wrote:I've already said again and again that Rafa should be given 2 more seasons to prove himself. This makes me probably one of the staunchest supporters of rafa on this forum... as even most of his supporters on here were only willing to say 1 more season.

Having said that, the prejudice on here against Klinsmann is really laughable. He single handedly revolutionalized the German national team from a boring long ball team to a team that can go toe to toe against argentina and italy and comfortably beat portugal. He has time and again proven his critics wrong whether he was as a player at spurs where he won the footballer of the year or whether he was the national coach of Germany where even the Kaiser, his staunchest critic, asked him to stay on as Germany coach. Pointing out that he doesn't have club experience is understandable.... but criticising him for being a diver and other ridiculous claims is laughable. Pls study how germany played before he took over and how they played at the world cup. I don't believe one can be as narrow-minded as this... I for one would want klinsmann instead of mourinho... I can never accept someone who treated Liverpool FC with disdain as our manager... that mourinho basically thought that LFC is :censored: I can never accept him.... especially not if he comes in and now say how what he said against LFC was just because of competition or something...

I think a lot of the 'prejudice' against Klinsmann is based purely on the fact that he's never managed a club side, only has one managerial position under his belt and quite frankly lacks the experience that modern day club management requires.

I agree that the common conception is that he rejuvenated the German national side but this is tempered by the fact that it was in a competition in their own backyard. There are many examples of being the hosts of a competition improves a teams abilities - South Korea(2002), Portugal(2004), England (1996).
Managerial wise a perfect example of this is Frank Rikjaard. Holland had a decent run during Euro 2000 under his guidance but when he left and took his first club job at Sparta Rotterdam they were RELEGATED. Ok he's had success at Barcelona but in his first six months he came very, very close to losing his job. His record since then has been decent but considering the options at his disposal I could've probably done just as well  :p . His managerial deficiencies are being hi lighted now all too glaringly and I can see Klinsmann being just the same.

You've gotta ask do you really want to see Liverpool FC used as the proving ground for Klinsmann as a manager based solely on him being a good player years ago?
Personally I shudder at the thought of him being given the reins and I fear he could set us back years.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:53 am

redtrader74 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Its simple really. If they give the money for Masch then they are backing him, if they dont then they arnt backing him. Until then the papers will do what do best - fill the pages.

Not necessarily, buying Mascher is the easy decision, he is a top class player who would enhance most sides, therefore useful to any manager who may arrive in the event that Rafa left and alternatively his value would not diminish in the short term. Its whether they back him in the smaller transfers, £5-7m, thats probably a better indicator of their relationship.

Like the £6.5 million there about to shell out on a centre back?

I was thinking pretty much the same thing. Why would G+H pay that amount of money on a relatively unknown 23 year old slovak. It's a funny way of showing you have no confidence in the manager , breaking our transfer record for a defender and all that. ???
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:11 am

If I was being cynical I would say its cheaper than signing Mascherano while helping to get the fans back on side and they will get their money back (and more) from the sale of Sissoko. If I was being cynical :D
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Postby RedorDead » Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:27 am

RUSHIE#9 wrote:
maguskwt wrote:I've already said again and again that Rafa should be given 2 more seasons to prove himself. This makes me probably one of the staunchest supporters of rafa on this forum... as even most of his supporters on here were only willing to say 1 more season.

Having said that, the prejudice on here against Klinsmann is really laughable. He single handedly revolutionalized the German national team from a boring long ball team to a team that can go toe to toe against argentina and italy and comfortably beat portugal. He has time and again proven his critics wrong whether he was as a player at spurs where he won the footballer of the year or whether he was the national coach of Germany where even the Kaiser, his staunchest critic, asked him to stay on as Germany coach. Pointing out that he doesn't have club experience is understandable.... but criticising him for being a diver and other ridiculous claims is laughable. Pls study how germany played before he took over and how they played at the world cup. I don't believe one can be as narrow-minded as this... I for one would want klinsmann instead of mourinho... I can never accept someone who treated Liverpool FC with disdain as our manager... that mourinho basically thought that LFC is :censored: I can never accept him.... especially not if he comes in and now say how what he said against LFC was just because of competition or something...

I think a lot of the 'prejudice' against Klinsmann is based purely on the fact that he's never managed a club side, only has one managerial position under his belt and quite frankly lacks the experience that modern day club management requires.

I agree that the common conception is that he rejuvenated the German national side but this is tempered by the fact that it was in a competition in their own backyard. There are many examples of being the hosts of a competition improves a teams abilities - South Korea(2002), Portugal(2004), England (1996).
Managerial wise a perfect example of this is Frank Rikjaard. Holland had a decent run during Euro 2000 under his guidance but when he left and took his first club job at Sparta Rotterdam they were RELEGATED. Ok he's had success at Barcelona but in his first six months he came very, very close to losing his job. His record since then has been decent but considering the options at his disposal I could've probably done just as well  :p . His managerial deficiencies are being hi lighted now all too glaringly and I can see Klinsmann being just the same.

You've gotta ask do you really want to see Liverpool FC used as the proving ground for Klinsmann as a manager based solely on him being a good player years ago?
Personally I shudder at the thought of him being given the reins and I fear he could set us back years.

I have to agree with rushie here.....I don't have any problems with Klinsman in terms of diving or anything like that and he MIGHT be a great manager one day but he has never managed a club, let alone a club in top tier of European Club Football. I also agree that any passionate countryman with half a football brain can lead a national side to an internatinal tournament final on home soil. I know he did a good job tactically and they played nice football but it is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to the day to day running of a top club side.
Despite some recent mistakes I think Rafa should be supported for the rest of this and next season when any further review can take place....if, and ONLY if there is a top CLUB manager available then should we even consider getting rid of Rafa if it is deemed he cannot take us to Premiership glory.
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Postby tel » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:04 am

LMAO @ Klinsmann. No way he'll be given the gig.

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