Liverpool FC Forum

[ConnO'var]

Stevie will come back and will still score plenty of goals for us before he retires but I think it's time to start looking at a proper long term replacement for him. If we got in someone young now he could maybe train under Stevie before he calls it a day. I know we have a lot of centre midfielders but none of them are good enough to fill his boots and im sure Aquilani will be off at some point, if not now then in the Jan window or certainly next summer. We need someone young like Wilshere, maybe James McCarthy from Wigan.

why is it that we don't rate Henderson? or Shelvey?

Is it the case of the grass is always greener on the other side?

IMO Henderson might not be getting all the attentions and praises right now... but he seems to have what it takes to be a very good midfielder... he has the technical ability as well as the physical attribute to become a success... was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

Erh......Yes he was. 

He makes a good point. Gerrard was never touted as the next big thing when he broke into the LIverpool squad. In fact it took him 2 full seasons before he was in the starting Xi on a regular basis.

His first two seasons he looked completely out of his depth. He had talent sure, but he was a nervous player. He said it himself.

Sorry mate...... but I have to disagree here.... I think most people who watched him take the field for the 1st time, knew he was going to be something special.

He was completely fearless and full of drive and energy already. The fear was always whether or not, he could overcome the growing pains which was resulting in him being so frequently injured.

If we lost him for good, he WILL take some replacing as he is a special, special player. But I do agree with most that he would make an outstanding sweeper as he gets older..... Could fill in as the next Sammer in my book...... as long as he keeps the red mist under control.

[ConnO'var]

Stevie will come back and will still score plenty of goals for us before he retires but I think it's time to start looking at a proper long term replacement for him. If we got in someone young now he could maybe train under Stevie before he calls it a day. I know we have a lot of centre midfielders but none of them are good enough to fill his boots and im sure Aquilani will be off at some point, if not now then in the Jan window or certainly next summer. We need someone young like Wilshere, maybe James McCarthy from Wigan.

why is it that we don't rate Henderson? or Shelvey?

Is it the case of the grass is always greener on the other side?

IMO Henderson might not be getting all the attentions and praises right now... but he seems to have what it takes to be a very good midfielder... he has the technical ability as well as the physical attribute to become a success... was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

Erh......Yes he was. 

He makes a good point. Gerrard was never touted as the next big thing when he broke into the LIverpool squad. In fact it took him 2 full seasons before he was in the starting Xi on a regular basis.

His first two seasons he looked completely out of his depth. He had talent sure, but he was a nervous player. He said it himself.

I disagree SCS, Gerrard looked class when he first broke into the scene, his first goal for the club proved that. He didn't have much of an impact for the first 2 seasons because of his physical/growth injuries that impacted his consistency. He had everything when he was 19-20 (except for his temperament).

Spot on mate.... agree completely with you and Kenny Kan (Bam? that you?). 

[Kenny Kan]

My point is that his developing years (1998-2000), his was very much still learning and a fraction of the player he became. He wasn't being modest when he said he was out of his depth, he was being honest -

Yes, that was 1 game - not two seasons that you're taking that quote from.

Perhaps Gerrard felt he WAS out of his depth then, but his manager at the time had the confidence to play him when he did. That's what decent managers do, put their trust in a player. In Houllier's case he couldn't of been MORE right!

Like I said, to most untrained eyes, people could see that Steven Gerrard would have a very bright footballing future ahead of him. If you don't agree I don't care - but because the lad said that Ginola took the pi$$ out of him after 1 game does noway suggest he ''was way out of his depth in his first two season''.

 

I am in no way saying Henderson could have the same growth and impact as Gerrard but he definitely has the potential to vastly improve his game at Liverpool and become an top quality international

I don't think anybody has said Henderson won't/can't become a ''top quality'' player.

We're just disagreeing that Gerrard was ''way out of his depth in his first two season'' that statement would have taken the Titantic way wide of the iceberg.

[stmichael]

people forget that when gerrard first broke through he was essentially a right back. he'd still be the best right back in the league if he played there now.

as others have said you could see the natural ability that the guy had from the very start aswell as being a phenomenal athlete. i'd say of the english players only scholes and maybe joe cole in his earlier days come close to him in terms of ability in the last 10-15 years.

[ConnO'var]

Oui brother, t'is me. 

Good to have you back mate..... Thought I recognized the posting style. How's the barra?

[Kenny Kan]

Oui brother, t'is me. 

Good to have you back mate..... Thought I recognized the posting style. How's the barra?

Not bad. Waiting for the December, Jan, Feb, March months to come along - they commit suicide in the wet season. 

[SouthCoastShankly]

My point is that his developing years (1998-2000), his was very much still learning and a fraction of the player he became. He wasn't being modest when he said he was out of his depth, he was being honest -

Yes, that was 1 game - not two seasons that you're taking that quote from.

Perhaps Gerrard felt he WAS out of his depth then, but his manager at the time had the confidence to play him when he did. That's what decent managers do, put their trust in a player. In Houllier's case he couldn't of been MORE right!

Like I said, to most untrained eyes, people could see that Steven Gerrard would have a very bright footballing future ahead of him. If you don't agree I don't care - but because the lad said that Ginola took the pi$$ out of him after 1 game does noway suggest he ''was way out of his depth in his first two season''.

 

I am in no way saying Henderson could have the same growth and impact as Gerrard but he definitely has the potential to vastly improve his game at Liverpool and become an top quality international

I don't think anybody has said Henderson won't/can't become a ''top quality'' player.

We're just disagreeing that Gerrard was ''way out of his depth in his first two season'' that statement would have taken the Titantic way wide of the iceberg.

Who on hear ever cares whether someone disagrees with them?

Head out of your arse time methinks.

This all started because I agreed with this statement by Magsuskwt

was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

Magsuskwt is correct, in my opinion. Gerrard was not very good when he started. He was a talented youth player with potential to improve. David Thompson was as popular with the Kop at the time that Gerrard came through.

[metalhead]

I am in no way saying Henderson could have the same growth and impact as Gerrard but he definitely has the potential to vastly improve his game at Liverpool and become an top quality international.

The fact remains that Gerrard had potential at a young age, he grew (with the help of the coaching staff) into the player he is today). Henderson as the same opportunity, who knows what he will become.

I agree about Henderson

[jacdaniel]

I think the main point here is not to write Henderson or Shelvey off at such young age's.  Only time will tell how good or bad they are but they at least deserve a chance.

The game has changed a LOT since 1998.  There is much more money in the game and the PL is a lot more ruthless and competitive which makes it even harder for young lads to get a chance.

[Kenny Kan]

My point is that his developing years (1998-2000), his was very much still learning and a fraction of the player he became. He wasn't being modest when he said he was out of his depth, he was being honest -

Yes, that was 1 game - not two seasons that you're taking that quote from.

Perhaps Gerrard felt he WAS out of his depth then, but his manager at the time had the confidence to play him when he did. That's what decent managers do, put their trust in a player. In Houllier's case he couldn't of been MORE right!

Like I said, to most untrained eyes, people could see that Steven Gerrard would have a very bright footballing future ahead of him. If you don't agree I don't care - but because the lad said that Ginola took the pi$$ out of him after 1 game does noway suggest he ''was way out of his depth in his first two season''.

 

I am in no way saying Henderson could have the same growth and impact as Gerrard but he definitely has the potential to vastly improve his game at Liverpool and become an top quality international

I don't think anybody has said Henderson won't/can't become a ''top quality'' player.

We're just disagreeing that Gerrard was ''way out of his depth in his first two season'' that statement would have taken the Titantic way wide of the iceberg.

Who on hear ever cares whether someone disagrees with them?

Head out of your arse time methinks.

This all started because I agreed with this statement by Magsuskwt

was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

Magsuskwt is correct, in my opinion. Gerrard was not very good when he started. He was a talented youth player with potential to improve. David Thompson was as popular with the Kop at the time that Gerrard came through.

''way out of his depth in the first two seasons'' 

[Kenny Kan]

I think the main point here is not to write Henderson or Shelvey off at such young age's.  Only time will tell how good or bad they are but they at least deserve a chance.

The game has changed a LOT since 1998.  There is much more money in the game and the PL is a lot more ruthless and competitive which makes it even harder for young lads to get a chance.

I'm not righting Henderson off.

As for Shelvey, the lad won't be the next Steven Gerrard and you can quote me on that.

[bunglemark2]

Back on topic please....
I read somewhere that the latest reason is because of an "infection" - anybody know what the REAL problem with Gerrard is ?

[NANNY RED]

Stevie is in the ozzie , an will be there for a couple of weeks 

[ethanr]

Stevie is in the ozzie , an will be there for a couple of weeks 

What is the ozzie?

[woof woof !]

Stevie is in the ozzie , an will be there for a couple of weeks 

What is the ozzie?

Hospital.

Thought he was discharged yesterday Nan ?