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[maguskwt]

Stevie will come back and will still score plenty of goals for us before he retires but I think it's time to start looking at a proper long term replacement for him. If we got in someone young now he could maybe train under Stevie before he calls it a day. I know we have a lot of centre midfielders but none of them are good enough to fill his boots and im sure Aquilani will be off at some point, if not now then in the Jan window or certainly next summer. We need someone young like Wilshere, maybe James McCarthy from Wigan.

why is it that we don't rate Henderson? or Shelvey?

Is it the case of the grass is always greener on the other side?

IMO Henderson might not be getting all the attentions and praises right now... but he seems to have what it takes to be a very good midfielder... he has the technical ability as well as the physical attribute to become a success... was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

[red till i die!!]

henderson and shelvey are both decent young players but need more time to develop their talents.both players are with the right club to progress them and although i reckon both will be good players for us and 1 will probably replace stevie neither will ever be as good as him.
gerrard is an absolute legend,a true liverpool legend in the making from day one.
one of the best players of his generation and an absolute joy to watch.
the memories unfortunately last longer than the player but i hope he does return in october and has a good season with us.

[brentd4]

so many people talkin about stevie retiring, i really really hate the thought of not having him playin for liverpool, but i think adam will easily step in and do wha stevie does, hit a tackle, take a set piece, score a goal, spray a pass, i want stevie, but its not a disaster cos adam can do the job

[The Good Yank]

so many people talkin about stevie retiring, i really really hate the thought of not having him playin for liverpool, but i think adam will easily step in and do wha stevie does, hit a tackle, take a set piece, score a goal, spray a pass, i want stevie, but its not a disaster cos adam can do the job

Combine that with what Henderson will bring to the table and I think we'll be fine.

[kazza]

Skysports:

Liverpool boss Kenny Dalglish believes captain Steven Gerrard is not 'too far away' from a comeback after a swift recovery from an infection.

The infection related to Gerrard's troublesome groin injury, which was operated on in March, ending the 31-year-old's season early last term.

Dalglish hopes the recovery continues at a rapid pace, in which case the England international could feature before September, as previously predicted.

"Steven won't be too far away," said Dalglish in a press conference on Wednesday.

"The tests that have come back are far better than what was anticipated, so we are delighted by that. We've had some very positive news and will just wait for the progress to continue."

"I don't know what's going to happen, but we're certainly happy with the people we've got here at the moment."
Kenny Dalglish on transfer activity Quotes of the week

Amid a busy summer in the transfer market, Liverpool are thought to be working behind the scenes to strengthen a defence which has leaked 15 goals in pre-season.

Transfer targets

Dalglish was coy upon being asked to name specific targets, but admits the club will always look for ways to strengthen.

He said: "It's no bad reflection on anything anybody did last year because everybody looks for improvements, and that's all we're trying to do - improve the football club.

"I don't know what's going to happen, but we're certainly happy with the people we've got here at the moment.

"Quality is more important than depth, but if you've got a bit of depth as well it's always helpful."

With big-money buys Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing expected to shape a new-look midfield, Dalglish will be satisfied if they can replicate the sort of form that prompted the club's investment in them.

He said: "Obviously, the people that you bring in you hope will improve the quality of the squad. If they can go about their work as they have done at their other clubs, then that'll do us fine."

[killerp]

Skysports:

Liverpool boss Kenny Dalglish believes captain Steven Gerrard is not 'too far away' from a comeback after a swift recovery from an infection.

The infection related to Gerrard's troublesome groin injury, which was operated on in March, ending the 31-year-old's season early last term.

Dalglish hopes the recovery continues at a rapid pace, in which case the England international could feature before September, as previously predicted.

"Steven won't be too far away," said Dalglish in a press conference on Wednesday.

"The tests that have come back are far better than what was anticipated, so we are delighted by that. We've had some very positive news and will just wait for the progress to continue."

"I don't know what's going to happen, but we're certainly happy with the people we've got here at the moment."
Kenny Dalglish on transfer activity Quotes of the week

Amid a busy summer in the transfer market, Liverpool are thought to be working behind the scenes to strengthen a defence which has leaked 15 goals in pre-season.

Transfer targets

Dalglish was coy upon being asked to name specific targets, but admits the club will always look for ways to strengthen.

He said: "It's no bad reflection on anything anybody did last year because everybody looks for improvements, and that's all we're trying to do - improve the football club.

"I don't know what's going to happen, but we're certainly happy with the people we've got here at the moment.

"Quality is more important than depth, but if you've got a bit of depth as well it's always helpful."

With big-money buys Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing expected to shape a new-look midfield, Dalglish will be satisfied if they can replicate the sort of form that prompted the club's investment in them.

He said: "Obviously, the people that you bring in you hope will improve the quality of the squad. If they can go about their work as they have done at their other clubs, then that'll do us fine."

Not the midfield i'm worried about now after watching pre-season....maybe we can play Gerrard in defence since the midfield is packed to the rafters 

[Kenny Kan]

Stevie will come back and will still score plenty of goals for us before he retires but I think it's time to start looking at a proper long term replacement for him. If we got in someone young now he could maybe train under Stevie before he calls it a day. I know we have a lot of centre midfielders but none of them are good enough to fill his boots and im sure Aquilani will be off at some point, if not now then in the Jan window or certainly next summer. We need someone young like Wilshere, maybe James McCarthy from Wigan.

why is it that we don't rate Henderson? or Shelvey?

Is it the case of the grass is always greener on the other side?

IMO Henderson might not be getting all the attentions and praises right now... but he seems to have what it takes to be a very good midfielder... he has the technical ability as well as the physical attribute to become a success... was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

Erh......Yes he was. 

[SouthCoastShankly]

Stevie will come back and will still score plenty of goals for us before he retires but I think it's time to start looking at a proper long term replacement for him. If we got in someone young now he could maybe train under Stevie before he calls it a day. I know we have a lot of centre midfielders but none of them are good enough to fill his boots and im sure Aquilani will be off at some point, if not now then in the Jan window or certainly next summer. We need someone young like Wilshere, maybe James McCarthy from Wigan.

why is it that we don't rate Henderson? or Shelvey?

Is it the case of the grass is always greener on the other side?

IMO Henderson might not be getting all the attentions and praises right now... but he seems to have what it takes to be a very good midfielder... he has the technical ability as well as the physical attribute to become a success... was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

Erh......Yes he was. 

He makes a good point. Gerrard was never touted as the next big thing when he broke into the LIverpool squad. In fact it took him 2 full seasons before he was in the starting Xi on a regular basis.

His first two seasons he looked completely out of his depth. He had talent sure, but he was a nervous player. He said it himself.

[Kenny Kan]

He scored his first goal against Sheffield Wednesday I believe and from then on I knew he would turn into phenomenal talent.

19 years old

His first two seasons he looked completely out of his depth

yeah righto.

[jacdaniel]

Gerrard admitted himself that he was way out of his depth when he started playing in the first team. 
He wasn't instantly a brilliant player, but a player with lots of potential that was developed correctly over the years.
Even in his early years he received quite a few red cards, but he matured a lot and calmed down on the pitch.

Point is... Henderson and Shelvey need time and we shouldnt write them off just because they arent ready to replace Gerrard yet.

[Kenny Kan]

Gerrard admitted himself that he was way out of his depth when he started playing in the first team. 
He wasn't instantly a brilliant player, but a player with lots of potential that was developed correctly over the years.
Even in his early years he received quite a few red cards, but he matured a lot and calmed down on the pitch.

Point is... Henderson and Shelvey need time and we shouldnt write them off just because they arent ready to replace Gerrard yet.

Gerrard ''admitted'' that.

So, he's modest, he never played like he was out of his depth.

His debut at Spurs wasn't the best, but the lad never looked back.

You've either got it or you haven't.

Simple.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying Henderson isn't good enough because I simply have seen him play. I can say for certain though that Jonjo will never be as good as Gerrard, he may turn into a 'decent' player but nowhere near Gerrard's abilities. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it thank you.

[metalhead]

Stevie will come back and will still score plenty of goals for us before he retires but I think it's time to start looking at a proper long term replacement for him. If we got in someone young now he could maybe train under Stevie before he calls it a day. I know we have a lot of centre midfielders but none of them are good enough to fill his boots and im sure Aquilani will be off at some point, if not now then in the Jan window or certainly next summer. We need someone young like Wilshere, maybe James McCarthy from Wigan.

why is it that we don't rate Henderson? or Shelvey?

Is it the case of the grass is always greener on the other side?

IMO Henderson might not be getting all the attentions and praises right now... but he seems to have what it takes to be a very good midfielder... he has the technical ability as well as the physical attribute to become a success... was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

Erh......Yes he was. 

He makes a good point. Gerrard was never touted as the next big thing when he broke into the LIverpool squad. In fact it took him 2 full seasons before he was in the starting Xi on a regular basis.

His first two seasons he looked completely out of his depth. He had talent sure, but he was a nervous player. He said it himself.

I disagree SCS, Gerrard looked class when he first broke into the scene, his first goal for the club proved that. He didn't have much of an impact for the first 2 seasons because of his physical/growth injuries that impacted his consistency. He had everything when he was 19-20 (except for his temperament).

[Kenny Kan]

Stevie will come back and will still score plenty of goals for us before he retires but I think it's time to start looking at a proper long term replacement for him. If we got in someone young now he could maybe train under Stevie before he calls it a day. I know we have a lot of centre midfielders but none of them are good enough to fill his boots and im sure Aquilani will be off at some point, if not now then in the Jan window or certainly next summer. We need someone young like Wilshere, maybe James McCarthy from Wigan.

why is it that we don't rate Henderson? or Shelvey?

Is it the case of the grass is always greener on the other side?

IMO Henderson might not be getting all the attentions and praises right now... but he seems to have what it takes to be a very good midfielder... he has the technical ability as well as the physical attribute to become a success... was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

Erh......Yes he was. 

He makes a good point. Gerrard was never touted as the next big thing when he broke into the LIverpool squad. In fact it took him 2 full seasons before he was in the starting Xi on a regular basis.

His first two seasons he looked completely out of his depth. He had talent sure, but he was a nervous player. He said it himself.

I disagree SCS, Gerrard looked class when he first broke into the scene, his first goal for the club proved that. He didn't have much of an impact for the first 2 seasons because of his physical/growth injuries that impacted his consistency. He had everything when he was 19-20 (except for his temperament).

Sense.

[SouthCoastShankly]

Stevie will come back and will still score plenty of goals for us before he retires but I think it's time to start looking at a proper long term replacement for him. If we got in someone young now he could maybe train under Stevie before he calls it a day. I know we have a lot of centre midfielders but none of them are good enough to fill his boots and im sure Aquilani will be off at some point, if not now then in the Jan window or certainly next summer. We need someone young like Wilshere, maybe James McCarthy from Wigan.

why is it that we don't rate Henderson? or Shelvey?

Is it the case of the grass is always greener on the other side?

IMO Henderson might not be getting all the attentions and praises right now... but he seems to have what it takes to be a very good midfielder... he has the technical ability as well as the physical attribute to become a success... was Gerrard already very good when he started playing? I don't think so...

Erh......Yes he was. 

He makes a good point. Gerrard was never touted as the next big thing when he broke into the LIverpool squad. In fact it took him 2 full seasons before he was in the starting Xi on a regular basis.

His first two seasons he looked completely out of his depth. He had talent sure, but he was a nervous player. He said it himself.

I disagree SCS, Gerrard looked class when he first broke into the scene, his first goal for the club proved that. He didn't have much of an impact for the first 2 seasons because of his physical/growth injuries that impacted his consistency. He had everything when he was 19-20 (except for his temperament).

Sense.

I'm not sure what the disagreement is here?

Surely no one here is suggesting that Gerrard was as good in his first two seasons as he was after that.

My point is that his developing years (1998-2000), his was very much still learning and a fraction of the player he became. He wasn't being modest when he said he was out of his depth, he was being honest -

Gerrard's first start was worse than his debut. Given all the arguments that have enveloped him over what position he should play, it was perhaps significant that Houllier asked him to patrol the right of midfield at White Hart Lane, facing David Ginola, who that season would be voted Footballer of the Year. Gerrard's recollections are even more downbeat. "Paul Ince was on at me, Ginola was taking the mickey. I was out of position and out of my depth." He hoped his parents would be out when Match of the Day came on

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The developed world beater, Steven Gerrard, we know today will play anywhere and not look at all out of his depth. Against most players he is clearly a cut above. This cannot be said of Gerrard is his early seasons.

The point with Henderson is his opportunity when he was 18 also and within the same time frame he established a starting place in the Sunderland first. I am in no way saying Henderson could have the same growth and impact as Gerrard but he definitely has the potential to vastly improve his game at Liverpool and become an top quality international.

The fact remains that Gerrard had potential at a young age, he grew (with the help of the coaching staff) into the player he is today). Henderson as the same opportunity, who knows what he will become.

[damjan193]

Well he sure wasn't as bad as Shelvey is now. Not that Shelvey won't improve in the following years, but in Gerrard in his first 2 seasons at least we could see that he'll be a great asset to the team some day, maybu we didn't see him as one of our best players of all times but we all knew that he'll be a good player. It's a bit more difficult to see that in Shelvey and at the moment he looks like he might be a bit above average at best in his best years.