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[NANNY RED]

Do you wanna know what im voting ,

come on then I'm on the edge of my seat here! 

How much are you gonna pay me if i tell you 

what else will you do if I pay you? 

Yeh getting cheeky now , yeh need your ars.e smacked ,you little urchin you.

Anyway you can stick me down in this camp

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=189999116873

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d3KYaI0U14

[Greavesie]

Do you wanna know what im voting ,

come on then I'm on the edge of my seat here! 

How much are you gonna pay me if i tell you 

what else will you do if I pay you? 

Yeh getting cheeky now , yeh need your ars.e smacked ,you little urchin you.

Anyway you can stick me down in this camp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d3KYaI0U14

[Ben Patrick]

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but not as in 'feck of you stupid fat waiter you useless piece of muck you haven't got a bleeding clue'

but as in 'thanks for giving it a decent shot at times, rafa, but i don't think you're the right fella for the job anymore'

Thats exactly where i am mate.

[SupitsJonF]

I support Liverpool FC, not just Rafa.  I think if someone is available during the summer, we should give it a chance.

[LFC2007]

go


but not as in 'feck of you stupid fat waiter you useless piece of muck you haven't got a bleeding clue'

but as in 'thanks for giving it a decent shot at times, rafa, but i don't think you're the right fella for the job anymore'

Thats exactly where i am mate.

Ditto.

I've gone through the '...serious question marks have to be reaised' phase and by the time I reached a view on the issue I was pretty convinced we had to make a change. Now, if I'm honest, I actually feel eager for a change of manager.

[Kharhaz]

"We've got lumps of it 'round the back !"

"eh?"

"Dont mind him sir hes Mmmmm....hes mmmmmmmmm.....hes mad sir !"



Love that film.

[Lee2k6]

Still a "stay" for me right now.

frustrating season and all to say the least, but yeah im still sayin' stay.

[Penguins]

I am undecided for 2 reasons.

1. That 16 million payment will come get taken from somewhere and will hurt us most likely transferwise. Why? Cause now all expenses seem to be bundled up into one pot, where transfer budget, wages etc all comes from the same place.
And we know the owners would never pay for it themselves so the club will somehow take the hit.

2. I am not living in la la land(dreamland) where I think Mourinho or any other top class manager would even touch this club with a pitchfork since we are financially ****** and there is just no way there will be money to spend if the managers name is Rafa, Santa Claus or Mourinho.
And if/when City gets CL football and spend another 100 million this summer it won't matter if Saint Pete waving his magic finger is managing us.
And then we have the fact that it is the owners who appoint the manager....
Top of the list in their book is the managers marketing abilty and not tactical/coaching ability...

Thos 2 facts tells me that we are in deep ****. Klinsmann is still available I hear....

[Ben Patrick]

I am undecided for 2 reasons.

1. That 16 million payment will come get taken from somewhere and will hurt us most likely transferwise. Why? Cause now all expenses seem to be bundled up into one pot, where transfer budget, wages etc all comes from the same place.
And we know the owners would never pay for it themselves so the club will somehow take the hit.

2. I am not living in la la land(dreamland) where I think Mourinho or any other top class manager would even touch this club with a pitchfork since we are financially ****** and there is just no way there will be money to spend if the managers name is Rafa, Santa Claus or Mourinho.
And if/when City gets CL football and spend another 100 million this summer it won't matter if Saint Pete waving his magic finger is managing us.
And then we have the fact that it is the owners who appoint the manager....
Top of the list in their book is the managers marketing abilty and not tactical/coaching ability...

Thos 2 facts tells me that we are in deep ****. Klinsmann is still available I hear....

But you trust Rafa to spend the 16 million wisely ?

I dont.

[Kharhaz]

But you trust Rafa to spend the 16 million wisely ?

I dont.

The problem isnt how rafa spends the money, or the quality he brings in. Its how he treats them. This is his biggest flaw.

His latest Aquilani treatment is a prime example.

He can spot the talent, he just mistreats so many people the club lose out. If you look at the players that could still be here that rafa has signed, and he hasnt done too badly in that area, then compare it to the players we have lost his most obvious flaw is exposed. Simply, if rafa doesnt like there attitude, then off they go.

And its this which says to me rafa is not putting the club first. Just take a look at our squad. Its rafas squad, not Liverpools.

[Penguins]

I am undecided for 2 reasons.

1. That 16 million payment will come get taken from somewhere and will hurt us most likely transferwise. Why? Cause now all expenses seem to be bundled up into one pot, where transfer budget, wages etc all comes from the same place.
And we know the owners would never pay for it themselves so the club will somehow take the hit.

2. I am not living in la la land(dreamland) where I think Mourinho or any other top class manager would even touch this club with a pitchfork since we are financially ****** and there is just no way there will be money to spend if the managers name is Rafa, Santa Claus or Mourinho.
And if/when City gets CL football and spend another 100 million this summer it won't matter if Saint Pete waving his magic finger is managing us.
And then we have the fact that it is the owners who appoint the manager....
Top of the list in their book is the managers marketing abilty and not tactical/coaching ability...

Thos 2 facts tells me that we are in deep ****. Klinsmann is still available I hear....

But you trust Rafa to spend the 16 million wisely ?

I dont.

Not really, but at least Rafa would have 16 million, compared to a new manager who gets the same starting point but without 16 million. And excuse me for having huge scepticism about who that new manager will be...

16 million to spend and Rafa at the helm or Rijkard(at best) with no money to spend. I don't like either prospect.


The lamest excuse for the owners not spending money must be:

"Well, Rafa wouldn't spend it well anyway so they shouldn't give him any money"

That is bull**** as that isn't the real issue, which is that the owners isn't investing in the squad. You really think a new manager would get more money just cause he isn't Rafa?

[Kharhaz]

"Well, Rafa wouldn't spend it well anyway so they shouldn't give him any money"

That is bull**** as that isn't the real issue, which is that the owners isn't investing in the squad. You really think a new manager would get more money just cause he isn't Rafa?

It is bull. You are right. The amount Rafa has played with doesnt justify us being skint. I'll say now as I said at the start of the season. 17M on a fullback??

The money was there, and thats what it was spent on. Aquilani, injured yes, but the agreements for future fees are there.

Or are you really asking, why cant we have the ludicrous amounts Real Madrid have or Man City.

Blame the owners by all means, I totally disagree however. He has had the money. He has had the players. He has shown he cannot be trusted with either. Will a new manager get more money? no, probably not. But I can hazard a guess he will get the maximum out of whoever we sign for whatever fee.

[shawnk]

But you trust Rafa to spend the 16 million wisely ?

I dont.

The problem isnt how rafa spends the money, or the quality he brings in. Its how he treats them. This is his biggest flaw.

His latest Aquilani treatment is a prime example.

He can spot the talent, he just mistreats so many people the club lose out. If you look at the players that could still be here that rafa has signed, and he hasnt done too badly in that area, then compare it to the players we have lost his most obvious flaw is exposed. Simply, if rafa doesnt like there attitude, then off they go.

And its this which says to me rafa is not putting the club first. Just take a look at our squad. Its rafas squad, not Liverpools.

Good post

[Bad Bob]

go


but not as in 'feck of you stupid fat waiter you useless piece of muck you haven't got a bleeding clue'

but as in 'thanks for giving it a decent shot at times, rafa, but i don't think you're the right fella for the job anymore'

Thats exactly where i am mate.

Ditto.

I've gone through the '...serious question marks have to be reaised' phase and by the time I reached a view on the issue I was pretty convinced we had to make a change. Now, if I'm honest, I actually feel eager for a change of manager.

Yep.

[The_Rock]

Mt opinion has changed. I used to think it would be best for everyone if we got a new manager, I am now absolutely convinced that this manager is a disaster on every level. If we don't like the owners (and we don't) we should get somebody in who isn't a puppet.

+ 1 ..........

I have said it for the past few seasons.......and i say it now.....we need a manager who can adapt to this league. Benitez has pretty much proved he can't even adapt to players with different personalities.....let alone adapting to this league (which will always be a stretch for benitez and it has showed this season).