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Why do people constantly state that Kenny has spent £90m to a £100m. His net spend is less than £35m .Several players were sold to fund the majority of the new signings and that somewhat simple point is being overlooked. Why?

Why do people overlook the net spend ?
Because it devalues their arguement...it's like Rafagate all over again...sides will be taken and the age old newkit battle will commence....the detractors will belittle any cuptriumph and demand only 4th place as success......4th is better than a cup....only football can truly say 4th is better than being a winner  .......if we reach the FA cup final, I think Kenny will have done a terrific job in restoring some pride back to the club......obviously there will be some who think gaining entry to another cup competition by securing 4th is the great achievement but when you look back in a few years its the silverware and the cup final appearances that you treasure and remember and not the fact that you played in the over-hyped champions league.......Can't imagine Torres boasting about his champions league appearances to Djimi Traore, can you

[wooly red]

voted no, if we can ditch a few players and bring in quality replacements we can challenge for the title!

[Penguins]

What all the last few posters have said is more or less that one person is bigger than the club.
I totally disagree. If a person is doing something to the detriment of the club, no matter what the intentions are,
the club comes always 1st.

How can you say Kenny can take us to 12th in the league and he can stay as long a he wants?
No matter how poor the players that represent the club perform, Kenny is not the person to be held accountable.
If that is the case Kenny was the worst long term choice we could had done...

[lakes10]

What all the last few posters have said is more or less that one person is bigger than the club.
I totally disagree. If a person is doing something to the detriment of the club, no matter what the intentions are,
the club comes always 1st.

How can you say Kenny can take us to 12th in the league and he can stay as long a he wants?
No matter how poor the players that represent the club perform, Kenny is not the person to be held accountable.
If that is the case Kenny was the worst long term choice we could had done...

its more of a case that he had a bad year of players being out and looking at the players he has taken to the club there stats are great but lets us down.
lets not forget he has still won us something, the first thing we have won in a very long time.

[Penguins]

voted no, if we can ditch a few players and bring in quality replacements we can challenge for the title!

Please let me have some of what you are smoking...

Why is it so hard to understand why 4th is so important?

1. The league is what is the bread and butter, and you need to get to the vincinity of the top before having a chance to win and you sure isn't going from midtable to 1st!
If you are not even in the top 4, you are miles and miles away from winning it.
2. The CL means alot for the CLUB! It is the tournament that gives echoes out in the world and makes it easier to find good players willing to join.
Financially it gives a huge boost and helps us not to fall behind the other teams.
3. It isn't 4th itself what matter it is the consequences of getting that 4th place which matter. It helps the club develop!

[Benny The Noon]

So 2 weeks after winning our first trophy in 6 years we have turned into Chelsea with people saying Kenny should go. It's no surprise who is asking him to go.

[NorfolkRed]

a definite no here

we are still rebuilding. we are not the first or the last club to make apparently good signings that didnt work out (and that certainly includes the clubs above us)

this time last year we had 42 points from 29 games. this year we have 39 from 27 games and a trophy. we have a relatively soft run in with only games against newcastle and chelsea of the sides above us. as kenny says lets add up the points at the end of the season and then see where we finish

oh and isnt commoli the man who has a lot to do with the signings?

[Penguins]

So what is most important?
The league or the league cup?
A penalty shootout win vs a lower division team that could had gone either way is imo not going to make 2 win in 11 games fly away.

[D___C]

NO.

I can't believe this thread even exists.

I voted no, but i'm not surprised by this thread one bit.

We are on course to finish with our lowest Premiership points total... ever.

We have spent over 100 million, of which 70 million was wasted. Not only that, but that 70 million is just fees, there is also wages on top of that thats eating into the club, plus the lack of a buyer.. we couldn't shift Carroll in January.

Had Kenny stopped after signing Suarez, and not splurged 70 million on midtable English players, we would be superior. Our team would be;

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio, Lucas, Gerrard, Mereiles, Maxi, Kuyt, Suarez.

Thats the team that was on fire at this stage last season. The attacking play was some of the finest we've seen in many many years. We were referred to as the "red arrows" there was that many running forward, all linking up brilliantly. The quality takes a nosedive when the English players that he bought are shoved into the XI. Its quite a "feat" to spend over 70 million and make the team weaker. He played all of his signing against Cardiff at Wembley, its been suggested he did so to show the owners.."look, all my signings in a cup final", in what was a quite pathetic performance.

You can be the best tactician, best motivator, best trainer etc.. but if you buy badly all of that goes out the window.

[Kenny Kan]

What all the last few posters have said is more or less that one person is bigger than the club.
I totally disagree. If a person is doing something to the detriment of the club, no matter what the intentions are,
the club comes always 1st.

How can you say Kenny can take us to 12th in the league and he can stay as long a he wants?
No matter how poor the players that represent the club perform, Kenny is not the person to be held accountable.
If that is the case Kenny was the worst long term choice we could had done...

Attacking the strawman I see. Hmm. Very noble of you.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

What all the last few posters have said is more or less that one person is bigger than the club.
I totally disagree. If a person is doing something to the detriment of the club, no matter what the intentions are,
the club comes always 1st.

How can you say Kenny can take us to 12th in the league and he can stay as long a he wants?
No matter how poor the players that represent the club perform, Kenny is not the person to be held accountable.
If that is the case Kenny was the worst long term choice we could had done...

no one has said that at all, you are just making things up.
kenny or not practically every manager who comes to this club gets a fair crack of the whip, they get enough time to put right what went wrong under the previous regime and they get enough time to build their own side. thats the liverpool way.
dalglish hasnt even completed a full season yet, do you honestly thats enough time to build his own team?
he has been here a calender year, in his first 6 months here he did a tremendous job, from christmas to the end of the season he was 2nd or thereabouts in the form table, considering the state of not just the team but the whole club when he first arrived he did a fantastic job, i honestly dont think anyone could have done a better job considering the cards kenny was dealt when he first took over.
in his second 6 months at the club we have struggled badly in the league but we did win our first piece of silverware in 6 years and we are one game away from returning to wembley for an f.a cup semi final, we have also qualified for europe in february.
i dont think it`s fair to sack a new manager who inherited a club in choas, did an unbelievable job for half his time at the club, won us a trophy, qualified for europe and has us in the quarter finals of another competition.
is everything great at the club? certainly not, are the fans over the moon at the way our league form has dipped? are they f##k, but that doesnt mean we think the manager should be sacked.
as poor as the season has been he has had bad luck as well, gerrard missed the first half of the season and is struggling to find his form, lucas who has been our most consistent performer for the past 18 months has been out for most of the season, suarez who is our most gifted player gets caught up in a huge media storm and ends up getting banned for 9 games over 2 seperate incidents.
plus there`s something else kenny has inherited, the managers who ran this club over the past decade knew that no matter how poor the squad was or how bad the team was playing generally there were two players at the club -steven gerrard and jamie carragher- that they could rely on to pull a performance out when the chips were down. dalglish hasnt got that, in his year in charge not only has dalglish had to deal with trying to replace our star striker who dropped a last minute bombshell on the club he has also inherited the problem of gerrard and carragher not being the force they once were.
he`s had a lot on his plate.

[Thommo's perm]

NO.

I can't believe this thread even exists.

I voted no, but i'm not surprised by this thread one bit.

We are on course to finish with our lowest Premiership points total... ever.

We have spent over 100 million, of which 70 million was wasted. Not only that, but that 70 million is just fees, there is also wages on top of that thats eating into the club, plus the lack of a buyer.. we couldn't shift Carroll in January.

Had Kenny stopped after signing Suarez, and not splurged 70 million on midtable English players, we would be superior. Our team would be;

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio, Lucas, Gerrard, Mereiles, Maxi, Kuyt, Suarez.

Thats the team that was on fire at this stage last season. The attacking play was some of the finest we've seen in many many years. We were referred to as the "red arrows" there was that many running forward, all linking up brilliantly. The quality takes a nosedive when the English players that he bought are shoved into the XI. Its quite a "feat" to spend over 70 million and make the team weaker. He played all of his signing against Cardiff at Wembley, its been suggested he did so to show the owners.."look, all my signings in a cup final", in what was a quite pathetic performance.

You can be the best tactician, best motivator, best trainer etc.. but if you buy badly all of that goes out the window.

Hmmmm D___C
Your style of writing seems familiar...?

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Liverpool earlier this season  practically passed every team off the park ,and Anfield has an atmosphere again ,we have won our first cup and are on
the cusp of reaching an FA cup semi final  .

We already have European football secured, and a manager who risked (and at times often endured ) public humiliation and media condemnation in
a concerted effort to protect his player . Surely we can proffer him the same respect and afford him a modicum of patience ffs .

[Reg]

Are people bored or something?   

[7_Kewell]

Why do people constantly state that Kenny has spent £90m to a £100m. His net spend is less than £35m .Several players were sold to fund the majority of the new signings and that somewhat simple point is being overlooked. Why?

Why do people overlook the net spend ?
Because it devalues their arguement

The net spend argument is flawed; it's basically saying it's OK to waste money.

It's a bit like selling your house for 300 grand and buying another place for 350,000, only to find the new house is build of straw. Would you write off your money?  Would you fu...