Liverpool FC Forum

[damjan193]

What's wrong with out playing style. The passing is excellent as well is our positioning. We've outplayed most of our rivals at home and some away. We've created a lot of chances as well. The only thing is we've lacked clinical finishing. People wouldn't be complaining about our playing style if we were able to take our chances better. I do think that our team still needs a bit improvement, but some people are just overcritical.

[Kerry07]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

I've been looking at the numbers and stats, the top 3 spending clubs since 2006 are 1) Man City 2) Chelsea 3) Tottenham.

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

I've also been looking at the stats and Newcastle's total outlay is nothing, to our 70 million, and they sit above us.

[dawson99]

What's wrong with out playing style. The passing is excellent as well is our positioning. We've outplayed most of our rivals at home and some away. We've created a lot of chances as well. The only thing is we've lacked clinical finishing. People wouldn't be complaining about our playing style if we were able to take our chances better. I do think that our team still needs a bit improvement, but some people are just overcritical.

1: Our corners - I don't know the stats but I'm pretty sure we have more corners than anyone, and score from less

2: Pushing on - Once in a lead (not just the Citeh game) we tend to sit back, almost get flustered.

3: Wide players - We only seem to play them with the crosses when Carool doesn't play. And when Carroll does play, we don't seem to cross as much

4: Midfielders - They just aren't supporting the strikers enough. Its emabressing. We should be scoring for fun

5: Transfer policy - How are players like Downing and Carroll so bad for us? They aren't the best but they are not being utilised.



There is so much wrong at the moment, and its mostly at board level, but on the pitch it just isn't happening. For months now I've been saying we'll absolutely spank a team soon, but the way we play at the moment that will never happen

[Benny The Noon]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

I've been looking at the numbers and stats, the top 3 spending clubs since 2006 are 1) Man City 2) Chelsea 3) Tottenham.

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

I've also been looking at the stats and Newcastle's total outlay is nothing, to our 70 million, and they sit above us.

Wow - a whole two points .

I bet it doesn't stay like that .

Don't judge us by what Newcastle does - they are doing well but wont be nowhere near come the end of the season.

Why didn't you use Newcastle as a benchmark last week ?

That's right, because they were below us. And next week I expect them below us.

[crazyhorse]

Sometimes the stupidity of some people here takes my breath away. For a few missed chances we would be in the top four now, and if a few more goals had gone in that really would have reflected our play we would still be in the title race.

The aim of a manager is to win games. To do this you need to score goals and not let many in. We don't let many in, and at the moment we do not score enough. However we are creating a lot of chances and should ally have scored the goals to have us closer to the top. So in a way Jenny is doing is job, the team is creating chances useing his tactics and it's only a matter of time before the goals follow.

Those saying he should be sacked if we fall short of the cl places need to have a long think, and maybe go and study the history of this club a little more closely as quite frankly they know naff all!

[Kerry07]

He spent 100 million.  But over the last few years we have just been getting a thinner and thinner squad.  We lost Alonso, we lost Masch.  Keane came in and left in the same year at a  loss for us. Meireles was only with us for a year.  We lost some players that gave us a little bit of depth (Riera, Babel).  Our squad has slowly been dwindling down over the last few years, and then we lost Torres.  Our big signings consisted of Koncheskey, Poulson, and our flop Joe Cole.

We were making money in transfer windows, and when we didn't the money was wasted on clearly below par transfers.  We were due for a major overhaul, and it finally came with the new owners and Kenny.

Kenny hasn't spent that much if you factor in all the players we've sold and didn't replace.  Suarez and Enrique have been great signings.  Adam has been a bit inconsistent, but people on here claim he's sh!t then they flip and says he's down really well, then he's sh!t again... Make up your minds!  Carroll hasn't worked out yet, but there's still time for him and there's still those of us who believe he can come through.  Hendo was bought for the future, and has showed that within the next couple years he could be a really big player for us.  Bellamy has done fantastic as well.

To be honest the only player who I somewhat feel has really done bad for us is Downing.  And part of that is that people aren't finishing the chances he does create.

There's no point beefing up the squad with average players. We have far too many squad fillers.

You wouldnt get anyone saying "great strength in depth" about who we have in reserve.. rather "there aint much on that bench".

The term depth is used in reference to quality players.

Of our squad of 25 or so, i'd get rid of at least 15. Also introduce Sterling and Suso to the panel as soon as possible.

[dawson99]

Sometimes the stupidity of some people here takes my breath away. For a few missed chances we would be in the top four now, and if a few more goals had gone in that really would have reflected our play we would still be in the title race.

The aim of a manager is to win games. To do this you need to score goals and not let many in. We don't let many in, and at the moment we do not score enough. However we are creating a lot of chances and should ally have scored the goals to have us closer to the top. So in a way Jenny is doing is job, the team is creating chances useing his tactics and it's only a matter of time before the goals follow.

Those saying he should be sacked if we fall short of the cl places need to have a long think, and maybe go and study the history of this club a little more closely as quite frankly they know naff all!

I'm not saying he should be sacked at all. i'm saying we need to change. What I will say though, is that he can't stay as manager purely on his history of being an absolute legend. He has to start getting results.

[Benny The Noon]

What's wrong with out playing style. The passing is excellent as well is our positioning. We've outplayed most of our rivals at home and some away. We've created a lot of chances as well. The only thing is we've lacked clinical finishing. People wouldn't be complaining about our playing style if we were able to take our chances better. I do think that our team still needs a bit improvement, but some people are just overcritical.

1: Our corners - I don't know the stats but I'm pretty sure we have more corners than anyone, and score from less

2: Pushing on - Once in a lead (not just the Citeh game) we tend to sit back, almost get flustered.

3: Wide players - We only seem to play them with the crosses when Carool doesn't play. And when Carroll does play, we don't seem to cross as much

4: Midfielders - They just aren't supporting the strikers enough. Its emabressing. We should be scoring for fun

5: Transfer policy - How are players like Downing and Carroll so bad for us? They aren't the best but they are not being utilised.



There is so much wrong at the moment, and its mostly at board level, but on the pitch it just isn't happening. For months now I've been saying we'll absolutely spank a team soon, but the way we play at the moment that will never happen

1. Skrtel twice,Kelly,Bellamy have all scored from corners this season - I reckon that's double amount compared to previous seasons.

2.Which games have we taken the lead then sat back and lost points ?

3. Agree that the delivery from wide area's hasn't been good enough

4. We have played the wrong in the middle - we need Shevley and Gerrard in the middle with Henderson behind them

5. Carroll and Downing both need to step up to the level we have both seen from them at previous clubs.


What exactly is so wrong at board level and how the hell is that effect our ability to take our chances created .

[Kerry07]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

I've been looking at the numbers and stats, the top 3 spending clubs since 2006 are 1) Man City 2) Chelsea 3) Tottenham.

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

I've also been looking at the stats and Newcastle's total outlay is nothing, to our 70 million, and they sit above us.

Wow - a whole two points .

I bet it doesn't stay like that .

Don't judge us by what Newcastle does - they are doing well but wont be nowhere near come the end of the season.

Why didn't you use Newcastle as a benchmark last week ?

That's right, because they were below us. And next week I expect them below us.

So its fine using Man City as a case for, but not ok using Newcastle as a case against?

Your bias is Tomkinsesque.

[dawson99]

What's wrong with out playing style. The passing is excellent as well is our positioning. We've outplayed most of our rivals at home and some away. We've created a lot of chances as well. The only thing is we've lacked clinical finishing. People wouldn't be complaining about our playing style if we were able to take our chances better. I do think that our team still needs a bit improvement, but some people are just overcritical.

1: Our corners - I don't know the stats but I'm pretty sure we have more corners than anyone, and score from less

2: Pushing on - Once in a lead (not just the Citeh game) we tend to sit back, almost get flustered.

3: Wide players - We only seem to play them with the crosses when Carool doesn't play. And when Carroll does play, we don't seem to cross as much

4: Midfielders - They just aren't supporting the strikers enough. Its emabressing. We should be scoring for fun

5: Transfer policy - How are players like Downing and Carroll so bad for us? They aren't the best but they are not being utilised.



There is so much wrong at the moment, and its mostly at board level, but on the pitch it just isn't happening. For months now I've been saying we'll absolutely spank a team soon, but the way we play at the moment that will never happen

1. Skrtel twice,Kelly,Bellamy have all scored from corners this season - I reckon that's double amount compared to previous seasons.

2.Which games have we taken the lead then sat back and lost points ?

3. Agree that the delivery from wide area's hasn't been good enough

4. We have played the wrong in the middle - we need Shevley and Gerrard in the middle with Henderson behind them

5. Carroll and Downing both need to step up to the level we have both seen from them at previous clubs.


What exactly is so wrong at board level and how the hell is that effect our ability to take our chances created .

the board are sanctioning the buys. The manaager decides how we play. We have scored from 4 corners this seasno?? Lets make a fookin banner lol. We have about 20 corners a game, most don't go past the first man.

It seems like the team is scared to play without Stevie. no one has the balls to step up in his absence. How is Bellamy not playing? Every man and his dog agrees with things that should happen that simply don't happen and im just saying i want change.

you can sit back, state that we'll be well above Newcastle at the end of the season, btu what do you base that on? Unless we make changes soon we'll be back in no european competition next season

[Benny The Noon]

If Newcastle sustain their challenge over a couple of seasons then use them as a benchmark .

They are having a one off season where players find form all at the same time - a couple of bad results with a few players dropping out of form they go tumbling down the table .

City showed how much money it took to go from 7th to the top 4 in such a short period of time - Spurs showed how long it can take without big money. Newcastle have done nothing.

[dawson99]

If Newcastle sustain their challenge over a couple of seasons then use them as a benchmark .

They are having a one off season where players find form all at the same time - a couple of bad results with a few players dropping out of form they go tumbling down the table .

City showed how much money it took to go from 7th to the top 4 in such a short period of time - Spurs showed how long it can take without big money. Newcastle have done nothing.

So whats our benchmark considering the last few seasons, money spent etc etc?

you'd be happy with 6th?

[Benny The Noon]

What's wrong with out playing style. The passing is excellent as well is our positioning. We've outplayed most of our rivals at home and some away. We've created a lot of chances as well. The only thing is we've lacked clinical finishing. People wouldn't be complaining about our playing style if we were able to take our chances better. I do think that our team still needs a bit improvement, but some people are just overcritical.

1: Our corners - I don't know the stats but I'm pretty sure we have more corners than anyone, and score from less

2: Pushing on - Once in a lead (not just the Citeh game) we tend to sit back, almost get flustered.

3: Wide players - We only seem to play them with the crosses when Carool doesn't play. And when Carroll does play, we don't seem to cross as much

4: Midfielders - They just aren't supporting the strikers enough. Its emabressing. We should be scoring for fun

5: Transfer policy - How are players like Downing and Carroll so bad for us? They aren't the best but they are not being utilised.



There is so much wrong at the moment, and its mostly at board level, but on the pitch it just isn't happening. For months now I've been saying we'll absolutely spank a team soon, but the way we play at the moment that will never happen

1. Skrtel twice,Kelly,Bellamy have all scored from corners this season - I reckon that's double amount compared to previous seasons.

2.Which games have we taken the lead then sat back and lost points ?

3. Agree that the delivery from wide area's hasn't been good enough

4. We have played the wrong in the middle - we need Shevley and Gerrard in the middle with Henderson behind them

5. Carroll and Downing both need to step up to the level we have both seen from them at previous clubs.


What exactly is so wrong at board level and how the hell is that effect our ability to take our chances created .

the board are sanctioning the buys. The manaager decides how we play. We have scored from 4 corners this seasno?? Lets make a fookin banner lol. We have about 20 corners a game, most don't go past the first man.

It seems like the team is scared to play without Stevie. no one has the balls to step up in his absence. How is Bellamy not playing? Every man and his dog agrees with things that should happen that simply don't happen and im just saying i want change.

you can sit back, state that we'll be well above Newcastle at the end of the season, btu what do you base that on? Unless we make changes soon we'll be back in no european competition next season

the board are sanctioning the buys

So the board are giving the manager money and you think that is wrong how ?!!?!

The manaager decides how we play.

Correct he does - and for the majority of the time the way we play is very good - I will say it in capitals for you WE ARE NOT CLINICAL ENOUGH

We have scored from 4 corners this seasno?? Lets make a fookin banner lol. We have about 20 corners a game, most don't go past the first man.

How does it compare to other teams ? You will prob find its not much different - and a lot better than is used to be for us.

It seems like the team is scared to play without Stevie. no one has the balls to step up in his absence

We played half a season without him beating some big teams and moving up the table

How is Bellamy not playing?

Because his knee's stop him playing too many games in a row

Every man and his dog agrees with things that should happen that simply don't happen and im just saying i want change.

what would you like to change

you can sit back, state that we'll be well above Newcastle at the end of the season, btu what do you base that on?

I base it on the fact we beat them easily and they have all the top teams to play away from home and are missing their two best players due to ACN

Unless we make changes soon we'll be back in no european competition next season

Take the chances we create and we will be well in the European places.

[Benny The Noon]

If Newcastle sustain their challenge over a couple of seasons then use them as a benchmark .

They are having a one off season where players find form all at the same time - a couple of bad results with a few players dropping out of form they go tumbling down the table .

City showed how much money it took to go from 7th to the top 4 in such a short period of time - Spurs showed how long it can take without big money. Newcastle have done nothing.

So whats our benchmark considering the last few seasons, money spent etc etc?

you'd be happy with 6th?

Considering the last two seasons and players leaving and arriving and the turmoil we should be around the 5th/6th area .

But we can get higher if we take advantage of other teams faltering like they have done this season.

I am never happy with anything below 1st Dawson but sometimes you have to be realistic and paitent and let the team build over time.

[Kerry07]

What's wrong with out playing style. The passing is excellent as well is our positioning. We've outplayed most of our rivals at home and some away. We've created a lot of chances as well. The only thing is we've lacked clinical finishing. People wouldn't be complaining about our playing style if we were able to take our chances better. I do think that our team still needs a bit improvement, but some people are just overcritical.

1: Our corners - I don't know the stats but I'm pretty sure we have more corners than anyone, and score from less

2: Pushing on - Once in a lead (not just the Citeh game) we tend to sit back, almost get flustered.

3: Wide players - We only seem to play them with the crosses when Carool doesn't play. And when Carroll does play, we don't seem to cross as much

4: Midfielders - They just aren't supporting the strikers enough. Its emabressing. We should be scoring for fun

5: Transfer policy - How are players like Downing and Carroll so bad for us? They aren't the best but they are not being utilised.



There is so much wrong at the moment, and its mostly at board level, but on the pitch it just isn't happening. For months now I've been saying we'll absolutely spank a team soon, but the way we play at the moment that will never happen

1.non issue (we have very few good in the air so pointless complaining)

2.Its not that we choose to sit back. When teams go behind they then step up a gear. Man City are superior to us so when they did they pushed us back. We did brilliantly to contain them.

3.non issue. (no top side swings in crosses)

4."scoring for fun"... who? Besides Gerrard (who has barely played) what miidfielder should be "scoring for fun"? Spearing? Shelvey? Adam? Henderson? Downing? You're overrating us.

5.The emphasis on signing british was an error, especially attacking players where there are so few of real quality (take a look at the England squad bar Rooney). These are the same level players who get played off the park in major tournaments when they meet a top 8 nation. The reasoning behind the Carroll one will never be answered. Its bizarre on every level.