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[RedAnt]

Mind, I won the league on FM12 with this exact same team. Piece of p*ss. 

So I blame Kenny.

[lakes10]

we wont get that roar back by sacking Kenny.

a new face up front, ship Carroll off and away we go.

theres some on here that would be very happy if he was sacked......not going to name them.





7_Kewell 

[Kerry07]

Our performances and the mood around the club has been much, much better under Kenny. It's there for all to see and feel. But look how many points we've dropped at home this season. Why have we dropped them? Poor finishing? Poor service to our strikers? The woodwork? A lack of ideas of how to change things when they're not going right?

The overall "feel" for me is simply bad luck. I never feel anger at the team. More than anything I just groan as we pull yet another supersave out of the oppositions keeper, or as Carroll falls over, or as Kuyt misses a sitter, or the ball thunders back off the crossbar, or someone misses/saves a penalty or Howard Webb referees our game.

I don't know what it is. It feels there's some mystical conspiracy against us this year.

That, or maybe we're just sh*t.

We seem to have 4 problems that i can identify which all kinda tie into each other.

1)  We don't play at a high enough tempo.  Think of the Real Madrid game at Anfield a few years back... we tore them apart that night by pressing all over the pitch and attacking.

2) We have very little pace. Bellamy, Gerrard and maybe Downing are the only players we have that can burst forward.

3) We don't get enough players in the box.  This is really baffling as i cant tell whether its a tactic or just the players not getting forward.

4) Motivation.  The fans, players and manager all play a part here.  It seems like we all sometimes find it hard to get motivated to beat the likes of Stoke in between big semi finals with City.

You have answered 1 and 3 with point 2. Point 4 is a non factor.

People are looking for issues that dont exist. The problem is personnel. Against Madrid, we had Torres, Gerrard, Babel (he actually played well that night), and Mascherano, running all over the place. All very athletic mobile players... while Alonso was pulling the strings in central midfield, conducting the game.

We dont have those quality of players. Thats the answer. The closest we came to that Madrid performance (attacking in waves) was against Fulham last season with Suarez, Maxi, Meireles.. all runners who are excellent on the ball, its quick one touch incisive passing, and at times we had 4 running towards the box.


I keep saying it, the methods are good, we rarely have reason to complain about the starting line up (2 that i can think of, saturday against Stoke and away at Fulham).. in over a year. Whats let him down is the personnel he bought. Its very simple. Lets say we take out Carroll and put in Llorente, take out Downing and put in Lavezzi, take out Henderson + Adam and put in Javi Martinez. This thread, looking for non issues, wouldn't exist.

[Reg]

I went to the physio this afternoon, Singaporean-Chinese guy, I  suffered 45 minutes of being told how sh*t Carrol is.

Came out feeling worse than before I went in.

[andy_g]

I went to the physio this afternoon, Singaporean-Chinese guy, I  suffered 45 minutes of being told how sh*t Carrol is.

Came out feeling worse than before I went in.

that Kerry07 doesn't half get about.

[lakes10]

reading on a LOT of forums that fans are starting to ask for Rafa back.....yes ok some of them are on RAWK. LOL


Hate the way our fans are turning on Kenny.

[RedAnt]

reading on a LOT of forums that fans are starting to ask for Rafa back.....yes ok some of them are on RAWK. LOL


Hate the way our fans are turning on Kenny.

Agreed. After all, there's no more passionate LFC fan than KK himself.

I don't want Kenny to leave. That said, I can understand some talk about it. When Kenny was given the job full time we were still on a high from the fact the king had returned. I think the owners were sucked into that. But Kenny is here now, and the Liverpool way is through loyalty, passion and pride. Kenny is all of these things. So is the Kop. So is Stevie Gerrard, our captain and talisman, and so should be every single person who claims to be a Liverpool fan. We ain't Chelsea, sacking anyone who dosen't deliver within a year. We ain't Man City, throwing money at anyone who can kick a ball. We ain't Man U, managed by a swearing, gum chewing, purple faced, bad losing, foul tempered "Knight of the Realm".

We're Liverpool FC. Take heed, those who are calling for Kenny to be sacked. Sack Kenny, and we may aswell forget everything we stand for.

The frustration and disappointment we feel is the price we pay for who we are. Being a Liverpool fan isn't always easy. But be proud. Support your team and support anyone who pulls on the Liverpool red.

You'll Never Walk Alone

[stmichael]

reading on a LOT of forums that fans are starting to ask for Rafa back.....yes ok some of them are on RAWK. LOL

rafa will never get another high profile job in this country imo. the fans of most clubs wouldn't accept it because the majority can't think for themselves and just toe the media party line when it comes to rafa and his qualities as a manager.

the fact that villa and sunderland fans wanted the likes of hughes or o'neill ahead of him when they were looking for a manager sums up just how clueless a lot of football fans are these days.

[parchpea]

People fall out in football all the time and certainly there is not a club in the land where there wont be bust ups and arguments on some level every week. Its called being passionate about the game and letting off steam.

There are moments when I am sick to death of Liverpool, they drive me mad, Dalglish also drives me mental, the whole thing does frankly.

Despite it all its just part of being a football fan and being passionate about the club. People take it to heart far too much.

Dalglish is a great football man, a legend at Liverpool, but its unrealistic to expect fans to love him unconditionally, he is not beyond criticism. I doubt he would expect it, and I bet he wouldnt want it either.

[neil]

I've said all along that rafa would be a good shout.

[metalhead]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

I've been looking at the numbers and stats, the top 3 spending clubs since 2006 are 1) Man City 2) Chelsea 3) Tottenham.

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

[RedAnt]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

I've been looking at the numbers and stats, the top 3 spending clubs since 2006 are 1) Man City 2) Chelsea 3) Tottenham.

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

People are forgetting that fourth spot was ours. So were third, and second not all that long ago. The point is that Spurs and Man City have moved forwards and now we're battling away at seventh. I agree with you. But let's not be blind to the fact that we've gone backwards, or at least stayed still whilst others have moved forwards.

[ethanr]

He spent 100 million.  But over the last few years we have just been getting a thinner and thinner squad.  We lost Alonso, we lost Masch.  Keane came in and left in the same year at a  loss for us. Meireles was only with us for a year.  We lost some players that gave us a little bit of depth (Riera, Babel).  Our squad has slowly been dwindling down over the last few years, and then we lost Torres.  Our big signings consisted of Koncheskey, Poulson, and our flop Joe Cole.

We were making money in transfer windows, and when we didn't the money was wasted on clearly below par transfers.  We were due for a major overhaul, and it finally came with the new owners and Kenny.

Kenny hasn't spent that much if you factor in all the players we've sold and didn't replace.  Suarez and Enrique have been great signings.  Adam has been a bit inconsistent, but people on here claim he's sh!t then they flip and says he's down really well, then he's sh!t again... Make up your minds!  Carroll hasn't worked out yet, but there's still time for him and there's still those of us who believe he can come through.  Hendo was bought for the future, and has showed that within the next couple years he could be a really big player for us.  Bellamy has done fantastic as well.

To be honest the only player who I somewhat feel has really done bad for us is Downing.  And part of that is that people aren't finishing the chances he does create.

[worcester_red]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

I've been looking at the numbers and stats, the top 3 spending clubs since 2006 are 1) Man City 2) Chelsea 3) Tottenham.

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

So it will take 5 years for us to get in CL again then, oh joy   

[stmichael]

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

man city spent over £250m and still finished 5th. it would have been so easy for them to dump mancini then but they stuck with him and are now reaping the rewards. ok they've spent a shedload more money but he's still had to mould them into a team.