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[worcester_red]

He spent 100 million.  But over the last few years we have just been getting a thinner and thinner squad.  We lost Alonso, we lost Masch.  Keane came in and left in the same year at a  loss for us. Meireles was only with us for a year.  We lost some players that gave us a little bit of depth (Riera, Babel).  Our squad has slowly been dwindling down over the last few years, and then we lost Torres.  Our big signings consisted of Koncheskey, Poulson, and our flop Joe Cole.

We were making money in transfer windows, and when we didn't the money was wasted on clearly below par transfers.  We were due for a major overhaul, and it finally came with the new owners and Kenny.

Kenny hasn't spent that much if you factor in all the players we've sold and didn't replace.  Suarez and Enrique have been great signings.  Adam has been a bit inconsistent, but people on here claim he's sh!t then they flip and says he's down really well, then he's sh!t again... Make up your minds!  Carroll hasn't worked out yet, but there's still time for him and there's still those of us who believe he can come through.  Hendo was bought for the future, and has showed that within the next couple years he could be a really big player for us.  Bellamy has done fantastic as well.

To be honest the only player who I somewhat feel has really done bad for us is Downing.  And part of that is that people aren't finishing the chances he does create.

do you honestly not think Carroll has been cr@p so far? This is irrespective of whether or not you think a £35 million pound premiership striker will come good for us or not!

[worcester_red]

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

man city spent over £250m and still finished 5th. it would have been so easy for them to dump mancini then but they stuck with him and are now reaping the rewards. ok they've spent a shedload more money but he's still had to mould them into a team.

a better manager would have won with City earlier, I really don't rate Mancini that much but you also have to remember where City started from they more or less had to buy an entire squad, we should not be in that position.

[metalhead]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

I've been looking at the numbers and stats, the top 3 spending clubs since 2006 are 1) Man City 2) Chelsea 3) Tottenham.

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

People are forgetting that fourth spot was ours. So were third, and second not all that long ago. The point is that Spurs and Man City have moved forwards and now we're battling away at seventh. I agree with you. But let's not be blind to the fact that we've gone backwards, or at least stayed still whilst others have moved forwards.

Why do you think we went backwards? 2 years ago we were on the brink of ADMINISTRATION!

[RedAnt]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

I've been looking at the numbers and stats, the top 3 spending clubs since 2006 are 1) Man City 2) Chelsea 3) Tottenham.

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

People are forgetting that fourth spot was ours. So were third, and second not all that long ago. The point is that Spurs and Man City have moved forwards and now we're battling away at seventh. I agree with you. But let's not be blind to the fact that we've gone backwards, or at least stayed still whilst others have moved forwards.

Why do you think we went backwards? 2 years ago we were on the brink of ADMINISTRATION!

Agreed! We've gone forwards in the regard, but dropping from 2nd place a few years ago, to clashing horns with Chelsea, Arsenal and Newcastle, and the others loitering around for 4th spot today...well, speaks for itself. I'm just thankful that Chelsea and Arsenal seem to have moved backwards too.

Don't get me wrong though, i'm more optimistic under Kenny, but we can't deny that via the table, where it matters most, we've declined (Or others have advanced)

[LFC2007]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

What if there's a considerable turnaround in the form of some of those "flops" you've referred to, and what if the team's form returns to the standard that it's generally been at since Kenny took charge, which is to say a team that's defensively sound and plenty capable of creating chances? What, then, if we were to win the cup double but in the race for fourth, fell short in the end by a point. Would you still think it sensible to sack the manager, despite the upward momentum and the undoubted backing of the supporters and even before you had an awareness of which managers might be available to replace him?

[Benny The Noon]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

Excellent so we start all over again with another new manager and he gets how long ? A year ? Will he then get the boot if he isn't in the top 4 after a season ?

Do people realise how hard it is to break into the top 4 !!! 

People think you spend a 100 hundred million then it should be guarenteed !!! City spent 400 million to break into the top 4 as well as giving players 200 grand a week !!! Spurs have spent decades trying and just getting there .

It's not an overnight thing - it can take a number of years and people need to realise this and adjust their expectations . Our previous owners destroyed the club and dismantled it - we are having to build again and it's not going to happen quickly.

I've been looking at the numbers and stats, the top 3 spending clubs since 2006 are 1) Man City 2) Chelsea 3) Tottenham.

How long did it take for Tottenham to get CL spot? Man City?

We definitely need more than a year, and Kenny needs more time its as simple as that

Doesnt matter mate - The ignorant and blind with tunnel vision just see 100 million spent and that must mean CL spot.

[Thommo's perm]

I went to the physio this afternoon, Singaporean-Chinese guy, I  suffered 45 minutes of being told how sh*t Carrol is.

Came out feeling worse than before I went in.

that Kerry07 doesn't half get about.

So Kerry's a ladyboy?
It all makes sense

[lakes10]

I've said all along that rafa would be a good shout.

[Thommo's perm]

He spent 100 million.  But over the last few years we have just been getting a thinner and thinner squad.  We lost Alonso, we lost Masch.  Keane came in and left in the same year at a  loss for us. Meireles was only with us for a year.  We lost some players that gave us a little bit of depth (Riera, Babel).  Our squad has slowly been dwindling down over the last few years, and then we lost Torres.  Our big signings consisted of Koncheskey, Poulson, and our flop Joe Cole.

We were making money in transfer windows, and when we didn't the money was wasted on clearly below par transfers.  We were due for a major overhaul, and it finally came with the new owners and Kenny.

Kenny hasn't spent that much if you factor in all the players we've sold and didn't replace.  Suarez and Enrique have been great signings.  Adam has been a bit inconsistent, but people on here claim he's sh!t then they flip and says he's down really well, then he's sh!t again... Make up your minds!  Carroll hasn't worked out yet, but there's still time for him and there's still those of us who believe he can come through.  Hendo was bought for the future, and has showed that within the next couple years he could be a really big player for us.  Bellamy has done fantastic as well.

To be honest the only player who I somewhat feel has really done bad for us is Downing.  And part of that is that people aren't finishing the chances he does create.

do you honestly not think Carroll has been cr@p so far? This is irrespective of whether or not you think a £35 million pound premiership striker will come good for us or not!

Its very subjective
I dont think anyone could say hes been outstanding, but cr@p is a bit unfair. He has scored a few in the time he has been on the pitch and been effective sometimes. Obviously he could have been better but so could the rest of his team mates. I dont think its beneficial to single him out, price tag or not, because as the special one says: We lose as a team, we win as a team"

[7_Kewell]

To repeat, what i said earlier, Kenny shouldn't be sacked...he should, as i've said all season, be given until the summer. Then, if we're not in the top 4 then he has to go.

That's my view and that's why i've said i hope the board are considering a plan B...because finishing 7th isn't acceptable after 1.5 years in the job and spending 100+ million.

What if there's a considerable turnaround in the form of some of those "flops" you've referred to, and what if the team's form returns to the standard that it's generally been at since Kenny took charge, which is to say a team that's defensively sound and plenty capable of creating chances? What, then, if we were to win the cup double but in the race for fourth, fell short in the end by a point. Would you still think it sensible to sack the manager, despite the upward momentum and the undoubted backing of the supporters and even before you had an awareness of which managers might be available to replace him?

I've never demanded Kenny be sacked right now

My demand is a top 4 finish and, if Kenny can't do it, then he'll have to go.  I said it in the summer and i'm saying it now with more conviction, because i'm worried.

If im wrong then i'll admit it...i'll be happy, i'll enjoy it because liverpool will be doing well!

[Benny The Noon]

So if we don't get Top 4 you want Kenny gone and a new manager ?

First question who ?

Second Question - How long will new manager get ? 12 months ? 18 Months ?

Do you actually realise how hard it is to break back into the Top 4 ?

[dawson99]

So if we don't get Top 4 you want Kenny gone and a new manager ?

First question who ?

Second Question - How long will new manager get ? 12 months ? 18 Months ?

Do you actually realise how hard it is to break back into the Top 4 ?

It's not if we don't get top 4. If it's we continue to play with 6 defenders or ni a way that is just sh!t. I don't care where we finsish, I honestly don't. But please play football. Stop being such a pu$$y and play some attacking matches

If we continue to play like we have done, then yeah, he should go

[Benny The Noon]

So if we don't get Top 4 you want Kenny gone and a new manager ?

First question who ?

Second Question - How long will new manager get ? 12 months ? 18 Months ?

Do you actually realise how hard it is to break back into the Top 4 ?

It's not if we don't get top 4. If it's we continue to play with 6 defenders or ni a way that is just sh!t. I don't care where we finsish, I honestly don't. But please play football. Stop being such a pu$$y and play some attacking matches

If we continue to play like we have done, then yeah, he should go

We played one game with 3 at the back with wing backs and it didn't work - it was a mistake , the same formation against Stoke last season worked , this season it didn't. 

As for attacking - we have had more shots on goal than any other team , we have had more shots off target than any other team and we have hit the woodwork more than any other team , we are attacking and creating - the problem is we aren't taking are bloody chances .

Don't just judge on the last game.

[dawson99]

So if we don't get Top 4 you want Kenny gone and a new manager ?

First question who ?

Second Question - How long will new manager get ? 12 months ? 18 Months ?

Do you actually realise how hard it is to break back into the Top 4 ?

It's not if we don't get top 4. If it's we continue to play with 6 defenders or ni a way that is just sh!t. I don't care where we finsish, I honestly don't. But please play football. Stop being such a pu$$y and play some attacking matches

If we continue to play like we have done, then yeah, he should go

We played one game with 3 at the back with wing backs and it didn't work - it was a mistake , the same formation against Stoke last season worked , this season it didn't. 

As for attacking - we have had more shots on goal than any other team , we have had more shots off target than any other team and we have hit the woodwork more than any other team , we are attacking and creating - the problem is we aren't taking are bloody chances .

Don't just judge on the last game.

And don't just say last season it worked, this season it doesn't. We may be playing the same formation but the strategy is completely different. and I'm not just talking about one game, or do you seriously think we have been playing good football this season?

[Benny The Noon]

Yes at times I think we have played some old football we have lacked an end product to finish off the good football - we have battered teams just failed to get the rewards.

Of course that opinion won't suit people but it is quite plain to see .

If we had taken only half the chances created we would be well into the top 4 .

We are missing something clinical at the end of all our play.