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[Rush Job]

its morning here but the PM has declared a state of emergency so I am expecting the internet to go down at some point

What because of weather? where are you?

*whispers* Where the lady boys are.

Oh that Peewee, i no him by a different name.

















Load of the Rings.

[112-1077774096]

its morning here but the PM has declared a state of emergency so I am expecting the internet to go down at some point

What because of weather? where are you?

*whispers* Where the lady boys are.

Oh that Peewee, i no him by a different name.

















Load of the Rings.

[66-1112520797]

Emerald red, you're a happy clappy wit lad.

Again, I'll say this: wise up you gimp. You talk some bollox, son! You wouldn't even think you were a Liverpool supporter with half the shyte you spout on here. Get a f*cking grip.

Emerald mate I've been reading your Lando-esk posts, in this thread. And noticed you've ruined the thread, well done.

BTW, stop pretending to be someone your not hey ?

[dawson99]

is this a thread about excuses or chicks with d!cks? if its the latter go rent best of both worlds and shuddup.

As for our excuses, its always the same. people say we have no money but cant compete, and to give the manager time. I think its a culmination of manager, directors, players not haviong time to gel, summer break and probably a thousand other things. One thing is for sure, we are gonna get over taken by a lot of clubs if we dont pull our socks up and start playing the way we should and can.

[andy_g]

we never hear of the mancs or chavs wasting money this way. rather than buy two pieces of they use that money to buy one player that will help them.

this isn't entirely true, peewee.

off the top of my head the mancs have in recent seasons bought kleberson, djemba djemba, park, manucho and plenty of squad players who will never make much difference. chelsea have bought belletti, ben haim, hilario, pizarro and plenty of others.

the advantage they have though is that having done that they can still go and spunk 30 million on someone who will make an immediate impact on the first team.

[GYBS]

to be honest we spend a lot of money on bit part players or players who may or may not make it in the future, we never hear of the mancs or chavs wasting money this way. rather than buy two pieces of they use that money to buy one player that will help them. this is where we fail because rafa wants a massive squad of mediocrity rather than a team of quality

and at last someone else id prepared to come on here and give the hard truth, good on ya stu

Both the Mancs and Chavs have spent bloody millions on players that have not made it and have been sold on or are stuck on the bench

Veron
Crespo
Chavchenko
SWP
Parker
Boularhez
Ben Haim
Sidwell
Pizzaro
Bridge
Taibi
Djemba Djemba
Saha
Kleberson
Bosnich
Park

And i reckon there is plenty more around as well.

[tubby]

Everyone can moan about Rafa this and Rafa that. And yes to an extent its true but you cant expect him to always get the best man for the money he is given. If he was given 20Mil for a player then it would be a lot easier but its not.

[Number 9]

Ooooooh Stus on a mission!!

Some fair points though tbh and in the other thread he started as well!
Im not quite at cracking point with Rafa just yet but looking at the team and the size of the squad the ratio of great players to mediocre ones is a bit alarming.He has made mistakes and went wrong somewhere along the lines and the truth is much as it hurts this is his 5th season in charge and the team is only marginally better than when he took over!

It seems to me that Rafa views a massive squad as some sort of security blanket,i cant understand why we have such a huge squad.Its insane we could field 3 teams at once FFS!There is absolutely no need for them all.
Yanks funding or lack of aside I was hoping that he would have done a clearout at the start of the summer break,we could easily have afforded to sell 10 fringe/squad players call them what you like and brought in 2 or 3 quality and needed additions,as we all know it never happened and I cannot understand why!

As for players that are good enough Reina,Gerrard,Alonso(if he can regain form)Mascherano,Hyypia,Carragher,Torres are all nailed on great players,its not even debatable whether they are good enough to be here!
I think some people(Stu especially) are too hard on Babel,a right footed player on the left wing is never gonna show 100% what he can do,i actually feel quite sorry for the lad being put out there,its like trying to ask a baker to be a chef,he can do some of it but not all and never as good as the chef could!I'll reserve my judgement on babel until he has a run of games in a position he feels at home!
On Agger again I disagree,I think he showed in his first season he's more than up to it.The problem is though you need someone in beside him who is dominant in the air,if you dont have that we will suffer bigtime from setpieces and crosses because he aint great in the air.Saying that though hes a calm defender on the deck and plays good passes out of defence sometimes runs with the ball out,rather than just hoof it up the pitch over the heads of everyone giving our opponents back posession.I love Jamie Carragher but he does that way too much,i guess thats just the way he's programmed,still a great defender though!

As for Rafas tactics and team selections,last season I could always in some form get my head round what he was at when others were on here going nuts I kept an open mind!Against Villa the other day everything was wrong,the team selection,the formation,the substitutes where all just bizarre and I still cant understand what he had in mind!In fact the only sensible thing he done the whole match was put Keane in the middle where he should have started in the first place.....that match was there for the taking and the truth is Benitez lost 2 points himself,which is a major worry!

As for excuses we have had them all on here,I've always backed the manager and will until the end of the season but we have'nt really went forward under Rafa and 5 years is a very long time!
It's obvious the Yanks are not helping anything but they cannot be to blame for the way the team performs.They could of course help the team and manager by saying at the start of the transfer window "you have X amount to spend" but that would be way too simple.
Simple theres a word,there does'nt seem to be anything simple at LFC ever anymore,everything is a drama and a drawn out mess!

Anyway Rafa with all his imperfections has my backing till the end of the season,he asked for 5 years and he's gonna get them!There is no doubt this man has a huge passion for LFC,its a shame he cannot seem to inject it into the players though!
If he does'nt win any of the big 2 this season sadly I feel he'll be gone and in all honesty it may be the right decision......it wont be a happy day though!
But LFC needs to be moving upwards fast,because if we dont we will be left behind and that cant happen!

[maypaxvobiscum]

Ooooooh Stus on a mission!!

Some fair points though tbh and in the other thread he started as well!
Im not quite at cracking point with Rafa just yet but looking at the team and the size of the squad the ratio of great players to mediocre ones is a bit alarming.He has made mistakes and went wrong somewhere along the lines and the truth is much as it hurts this is his 5th season in charge and the team is only marginally better than when he took over!

It seems to me that Rafa views a massive squad as some sort of security blanket,i cant understand why we have such a huge squad.Its insane we could field 3 teams at once FFS!There is absolutely no need for them all.
Yanks funding or lack of aside I was hoping that he would have done a clearout at the start of the summer break,we could easily have afforded to sell 10 fringe/squad players call them what you like and brought in 2 or 3 quality and needed additions,as we all know it never happened and I cannot understand why!

As for players that are good enough Reina,Gerrard,Alonso(if he can regain form)Mascherano,Hyypia,Carragher,Torres are all nailed on great players,its not even debatable whether they are good enough to be here!
I think some people(Stu especially) are too hard on Babel,a right footed player on the left wing is never gonna show 100% what he can do,i actually feel quite sorry for the lad being put out there,its like trying to ask a baker to be a chef,he can do some of it but not all and never as good as the chef could!I'll reserve my judgement on babel until he has a run of games in a position he feels at home!
On Agger again I disagree,I think he showed in his first season he's more than up to it.The problem is though you need someone in beside him who is dominant in the air,if you dont have that we will suffer bigtime from setpieces and crosses because he aint great in the air.Saying that though hes a calm defender on the deck and plays good passes out of defence sometimes runs with the ball out,rather than just hoof it up the pitch over the heads of everyone giving our opponents back posession.I love Jamie Carragher but he does that way too much,i guess thats just the way he's programmed,still a great defender though!

As for Rafas tactics and team selections,last season I could always in some form get my head round what he was at when others were on here going nuts I kept an open mind!Against Villa the other day everything was wrong,the team selection,the formation,the substitutes where all just bizarre and I still cant understand what he had in mind!In fact the only sensible thing he done the whole match was put Keane in the middle where he should have started in the first place.....that match was there for the taking and the truth is Benitez lost 2 points himself,which is a major worry!

As for excuses we have had them all on here,I've always backed the manager and will until the end of the season but we have'nt really went forward under Rafa and 5 years is a very long time!
It's obvious the Yanks are not helping anything but they cannot be to blame for the way the team performs.They could of course help the team and manager by saying at the start of the transfer window "you have X amount to spend" but that would be way too simple.
Simple theres a word,there does'nt seem to be anything simple at LFC ever anymore,everything is a drama and a drawn out mess!

Anyway Rafa with all his imperfections has my backing till the end of the season,he asked for 5 years and he's gonna get them!There is no doubt this man has a huge passion for LFC,its a shame he cannot seem to inject it into the players though!
If he does'nt win any of the big 2 this season sadly I feel he'll be gone and in all honesty it may be the right decision......it wont be a happy day though!
But LFC needs to be moving upwards fast,because if we dont we will be left behind and that cant happen!

good post 

[Gerrard30391]

Everyone can moan about Rafa this and Rafa that. And yes to an extent its true but you cant expect him to always get the best man for the money he is given. If he was given 20Mil for a player then it would be a lot easier but its not.

I'm pretty sure if he had the money he'd spend it wisely. Our performance in the league looks like it's Rafa's fault. But since i posted about this yeaterday, i've been thinking. And all our problems stem from twit and tw@t. So, if Rafa had the money would he buy for positions and cosnequently not play people out of position. Or would he still persist to do that?

[bigmick]

Everyone can moan about Rafa this and Rafa that. And yes to an extent its true but you cant expect him to always get the best man for the money he is given. If he was given 20Mil for a player then it would be a lot easier but its not.

I'm pretty sure if he had the money he'd spend it wisely. Our performance in the league looks like it's Rafa's fault. But since i posted about this yeaterday, i've been thinking. And all our problems stem from twit and tw@t. So, if Rafa had the money would he buy for positions and cosnequently not play people out of position. Or would he still persist to do that?

Well off the top of my head I listed buys worth 108 million over the last fourteen months. Thats quite a lot of money when you consider we've got the best midfielder in the league already, and one of, if not THE best goalkeeper. That's three Robinho's plus a 10 mmillion quid player on top if you fancy it. We've been spending around 8 million a month on transfer fees over that period, and probably more as there's bound to be a couple of blokes I forgot about.

[stmichael]

the most worrying thing for me is the future of the academy, and whether any of the home grown lads are ever going to get a chance anymore. this was exentuated by the signing of this brazilian striker on a free yesterday.

as for the subject of wasting money, teams like chelsea don't count because they're in a unique situation whereby they can spend millions on a player like schevchenko, veron, crespo and then essentially let them leave for nothing at a massive loss a few years later.

to say we don't spend money is a farce though. i mean since rafa's been here we've spent the best part of £200m on around 45 players. in that time rafa's brought in 4 or 5 right backs, none of whom are better than steve finnan who has just been let go. he's had a disaster when trying to sign any decent wide players. ok there have been some understandable successes but the transfer policy in general is baffling at times to say the least.

[JohnBull]

It may be that the Board are willing to fork out for £8m players but are baulking at £20m+ players. It just doesn't make sense to me to have our wage bill because we are overloaded with second-raters. The anticipated takeover is probably more likely now after the City episode but I cannot see DIC accepting the management structure/performance we are seeing now. That includes Raffa, Parry & Co. The signings, with a few exceptions, are just not cost effective and the ongoings (wages etc) are enormous.
The Brazilian at City is on a £100K a week after tax. That's not a lot different from our top players. What would you rather have Kuyt/Babel/Yozzi as a group or Robhino.
Yes The Mancs and Chavs have made poor signings but their ratio is a lot better than ours and to be honest some of their "failures" would be an improvement on our existing squad.
I don't expect a team of world beaters throughout the squad. In fact I don't think such a team would ever work in the Premiership. We've got enough world beaters already, it's just the rest of the squad not doing their share/being played out of position/not played at all or being left to stagnate in the reserves.
This five year plan is really not working.

[Fo Dne]

to be honest we spend a lot of money on bit part players or players who may or may not make it in the future, we never hear of the mancs or chavs wasting money this way. rather than buy two pieces of they use that money to buy one player that will help them. this is where we fail because rafa wants a massive squad of mediocrity rather than a team of quality

and at last someone else id prepared to come on here and give the hard truth, good on ya stu

Both the Mancs and Chavs have spent bloody millions on players that have not made it and have been sold on or are stuck on the bench

Veron
Crespo (Certainly never failiure)
Chavchenko
SWP
Parker
Boularhez
Ben Haim (Free)
Sidwell (Free)
Pizzaro (Free)
Bridge (Never a failiure in a million years)
Taibi
Djemba Djemba
Saha (Injuries, Not ability that let him down)
Kleberson
Bosnich (Free wasn't he)
Park (Didn't cost a great deal)

And i reckon there is plenty more around as well.

You don't half chat lad, half of them were freebies.

[GYBS]

to be honest we spend a lot of money on bit part players or players who may or may not make it in the future, we never hear of the mancs or chavs wasting money this way. rather than buy two pieces of they use that money to buy one player that will help them. this is where we fail because rafa wants a massive squad of mediocrity rather than a team of quality

and at last someone else id prepared to come on here and give the hard truth, good on ya stu

Both the Mancs and Chavs have spent bloody millions on players that have not made it and have been sold on or are stuck on the bench

Veron
Crespo (Certainly never failiure)
Chavchenko
SWP
Parker
Boularhez
Ben Haim (Free)
Sidwell (Free)
Pizzaro (Free)
Bridge (Never a failiure in a million years)
Taibi
Djemba Djemba
Saha (Injuries, Not ability that let him down)
Kleberson
Bosnich (Free wasn't he)
Park (Didn't cost a great deal)

And i reckon there is plenty more around as well.

You don't half chat lad, half of them were freebies.

um excuse me but when you went on about rafas signings being and people mentioned the freebies you said that "what about wages etc blah blah "

the cost of veron and chavchenko offset anything we have lost in the trnfer market alone . and yeah crespo was got for 20 odd mil and played half a season with the rest of his time in italy on loan . bridge sits on a bench so that is wasted money

and im sorry but if you read the post i responded to correctly you will see its on about wasting money - no mention of failures "lad"