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[A.B.]

Ibrahimovic? pah.
Baros? pah.
Toto Schilacci? (1990) pah.

There are always players who get some hype due to a decent national squad performance in a big tournament, and then, well, in they daily bread and butter they are not that good.

I think recently his coach made him watching Van Basten videos to Ibrahimovic. Proper move by the coach, perhaps that way he'll learn something about a true world class

You're comparing Baros to Ibrahimovic?

[Sabre]

Yes I have, well, honestly not that much to be regarded as a serious comment on the player, but while I think he's a diamond, I also think he has lots to learn, must polish. Some players manage to do that, some do not.

What are his numbers of this season and the past?

You're comparing Baros to Ibrahimovic?

In type of Striker no, they are different. In that both shined in a big tournament, both managed to go to world class team, and neither of them are considered *world class* yes, I compare them.

[Kukilon]

Yes I have, well, honestly not that much to be regarded as a serious comment on the player, but while I think he's a diamond, I also think he has lots to learn, must polish. Some players manage to do that, some do not.

What are his numbers of this season and the past?

You're comparing Baros to Ibrahimovic?

In type of Striker no, they are different. In that both shined in a big tournament, both managed to go to world class team, and neither of them are considered *world class* yes, I compare them.

I'm a swede so I have seen him play a lot. He is good but he is deffinately not a natural striker. He misses way to many chances but then once in a while he does something unnatural. In Juventus he uses all of his qualities since he is to afraid to hog the ball like he does in the national team.

He has the potential but he is far from as good as most of his fans claim him to be. He also has got a really bad attitude.

[Sabre]

That's pretty much the idea I have of him, but then the opinion that counts is that of the Swedish mate, as he's seen him more.

It's just actual football. His numbers in Ajax wouldn't suggest he deserved a place in Juventus. But that goal with the heel with Sweden, is the kind of thingy that people like to watch in tv. In Juventus, 12 goals in league, which is just a "not bad" and 5 goals in CL, which is good. But definitely not world class.

24 years though, and a long career upfront. Perhaps he'll be top class when 27, perhaps not.

[A.B.]

In type of Striker no, they are different. In that both shined in a big tournament, both managed to go to world class team, and neither of them are considered *world class* yes, I compare them.

Ibrahimovic is miles better than Baros, just comparing them is insult. I've seen Zlatan do some marvelous things on the pitch with the ball where I have never seen Baros do anything spectacular. Unlike Baros, Ibrahimovic has awareness and gets involved with team. He also has good technical ability, and uses his brain on the ball better and more efficiently than Baros does.

What are his numbers of this season and the past?

01/02 - Ajax
6 goals in  26 games

02/03 - Ajax
13 goals in 25 games

03/04 - Ajax
13 goals in 22 games

04/05 - Juventus
16 goals in 35 games

05/03 - Juventus [so far]
3 goals in 14 games

[Kukilon]

That's pretty much the idea I have of him, but then the opinion that counts is that of the Swedish mate, as he's seen him more.

It's just actual football. His numbers in Ajax wouldn't suggest he deserved a place in Juventus. But that goal with the heel with Sweden, is the kind of thingy that people like to watch in tv. In Juventus, 12 goals in league, which is just a "not bad" and 5 goals in CL, which is good. But definitely not world class.

24 years though, and a long career upfront. Perhaps he'll be top class when 27, perhaps not.

http://www.soccerclips.net/request....3y8.zip

He is fun to watch =)

[A.B.]

That's pretty much the idea I have of him, but then the opinion that counts is that of the Swedish mate, as he's seen him more.

It's just actual football. His numbers in Ajax wouldn't suggest he deserved a place in Juventus. But that goal with the heel with Sweden, is the kind of thingy that people like to watch in tv. In Juventus, 12 goals in league, which is just a "not bad" and 5 goals in CL, which is good. But definitely not world class.

24 years though, and a long career upfront. Perhaps he'll be top class when 27, perhaps not.

I think Ibrahimovic will improve his goalscoring in 2-3 years. Fernando Morientes[not that I'm comparing the two] never scored more than 19 goals in a season. He's still class though, is he not?

[Sabre]

Yes he is, but he's not world class. He's just a good striker. Note that I do not consider world class just anyone. Raul has been hardly world class to me, ever. His numbers never backed the hype he had presenting FIFA games and ADIDAS shirts. If your point was Ibrahimovic is better than Baros? you're right, and all what you have to say about Baros has more value than my opinion because you've seen him more (I just saw a handful of games with Baros playing unfortunately )

[Red squirrel]

OK Cisse's got some flaws and is very frustrating at times but lets not forget a lot of the time that he is played out of position. When he is played out on the wing his pace works well up untill the final ball and its so evident the guys not comfortable out there.
But when he plays up front he allways looks capable of scoring which is wot we bought him for in the first place. Yes his touch can be poor,and yes his awareness at times is abysmal but i allways get the feeling this guys gonna pop up with a great goal and save the day.
I just wish his attitude would change and he's got to play more for the team and earn his place through good form and consistencey which is whats propelled us to the position that we're at.
He could learn a thing or two from crouch's team work and link up play and then we might actually see a finished article rather than a finished Anfield career..
I dont think he'll be going in January but he's definately on borrowed time.

[vlady16.1]

look at him and you can see why gh got him -- he's an awesome physical specimen -- fast strong big-- i've seen that in a hundred guys who just aren't that good

compare him to nando -- nando starts the defence in the other teams end -- in hockey we call it forechecking and its the true sign of class-- ever seen cisse do it --never

i could stand his attitude if he played for the team but i'll take nando or crouch anyday -- defence starts in the other end -- it ain't fun , hurts your numbers but it means victories

[RifleRusher]

nando starts the defence in the other teams end

nando works his balls off every game, willing to chase the ball the entire 90 minutes, shown lots of commitment just like Carra last year. but cisse stands around half the time screaming at people, annoyed when he misses and trying to blame it on someone else. it's just sad.

[bring_back_biscan]

Cisse's got a good attitude - desperate to play, to score goals and do well for the club.

[Sabre]

I think that when you demand a place in the starting eleven, you are implying that your work is better than Nando's or Crouch, which of course it's argueable, but then, I think it's lack of respect to his team mates and the coach himself.

[A.B.]

Cisse's got a good attitude - desperate to play, to score goals and do well for the club.

He doesn't show that good attitude on the pitch

[A.B.]

OK Cisse's got some flaws and is very frustrating at times but lets not forget a lot of the time that he is played out of position. When he is played out on the wing his pace works well up untill the final ball and its so evident the guys not comfortable out there.
But when he plays up front he allways looks capable of scoring which is wot we bought him for in the first place. Yes his touch can be poor,and yes his awareness at times is abysmal but i allways get the feeling this guys gonna pop up with a great goal and save the day.
I just wish his attitude would change and he's got to play more for the team and earn his place through good form and consistencey which is whats propelled us to the position that we're at.
He could learn a thing or two from crouch's team work and link up play and then we might actually see a finished article rather than a finished Anfield career..
I dont think he'll be going in January but he's definately on borrowed time.

I have no confidence in Cisse anymore because in every game he plays in he shows that he lacks composure in front of goal. I.e. v Aston Villa

He's shown it countless times and at the end of the day its going to bite you in the ass.