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[friendlyguy33]

if he has to sell his best players to raise funds to strengthen the squad then he doesnt stand a chance, how is he expected to compete with the ferguson`s, wenger`s and mancini`s with one hand tied behind his back.

If Agger does go and the team goes further downhill. will the Supporters Committee be asking the owners why they authorised the sale of a top player from Liverpool to fund new signings just becuase of one summer when the english buys didn't work out which they after all authorised through their misguided appointment of Damien Comolli as DOF?

If these owners won't listen to the views of the fans again they will soon discover that just like the previous American owners their time at Liverpool will be a shortlived one.

[Kenny Kan]

Brendan Rodgers


You talk too much!

[redalltheway36]

brendan sounds to desperate to me the way he sounds. Not a good thing it seems that he knows he has to sell to buy his own players but feckme Agger why would any manager come accross as being happy to let his best players go just so he can bring in his own unproven players and it better not be another swansea defender cos that would  be just laughable. Much preferred  kennys approach to transfer speculation.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

I think too many people are giving OUR MANAGER, Brendan Rogers too much stick too soon.  A ball hasnt been kicked in earnest yet and some are alreadt writing him off.

Give the guy a chance and lets see what happens.

[paisleyred]

and he has a 100% record in competitive matches for us!!!

[Simari]

The unfortunate bit in all of this is that a large number of fans are still living in the past. But rather than turn over a new leaf and support our new manager, some of us prefer to wallow in his perceived weaknesses. He is a young manager on the international stage. Yet we continually hold him in comparison to our history, expecting miracles and pointing the finger in every direction when said miracles won't come to fruition.

This is the first season in a long time that I am completely re-adjusting my expectations. And truth be told, it has certainly helped me develop a positive outlook for this season. More than anything, I'm looking forward to seeing significant changes in our style of play over the entire season. Progress for me, first and foremost would be that the team learn to pass the football with a style that is pleasing to the eye.

The only expectation I have is for BR to impress his style on our academy. That is our future.

Any other achievement beyond that would be a welcome surprise

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

The unfortunate bit in all of this is that a large number of fans are still living in the past. But rather than turn over a new leaf and support our new manager, some of us prefer to wallow in his perceived weaknesses. He is a young manager on the international stage. Yet we continually hold him in comparison to our history, expecting miracles and pointing the finger in every direction when said miracles won't come to fruition.

This is the first season in a long time that I am completely re-adjusting my expectations. And truth be told, it has certainly helped me develop a positive outlook for this season. More than anything, I'm looking forward to seeing significant changes in our style of play over the entire season. Progress for me, first and foremost would be that the team learn to pass the football with a style that is pleasing to the eye.

The only expectation I have is for BR to impress his style on our academy. That is our future.

Any other achievement beyond that would be a welcome surprise

i think what some fans are concerned about mate is that once you stop aiming high in this game then you quickly become an also ran.
and once you become an also ran it`s very hard to make your way back to the top again, infact these days unless you are bought by a rich sheik or russian it`s practically impossible.
once you become a mid table side even if you do sign and develop good young players it`s so hard to keep them because just as you think you are building a good side the top clubs come and send you back to square one again.
look at everton, they are a traditional giant of the game, before ferguson arrived at old trafford they had won more league titles than united. from the 1880`s right through to the mid 1990`s they were more successfull than manchester united.
if wayne rooney would have come through the ranks at everton at any other point in their history then he would have been a one club man like gerrard and carragher but because everton have slipped back they were forced to sell him, rooney became `too good for them`, they couldnt `match his ambitions`.
at the moment we have just enough top quality players to hang on to the top table by our fingernails, we really, really need to move heaven and earth to stay there because once we fall back we wont be climbing back up anytime soon without heavy investment in the playing squad.
all this talk of just wanting to see improvement in our playing style etc isnt enough at this point in our history, we are at a crossroads that we havent been at for 50 years, half a century ago bill shankly took us down the right path, if rodgers takes us down the wrong path we may not get back to the top in decades and decades, if ever again. the history of english football isnt a traditional 2 horse race like spain or scotland, english football is littered with fallen giants, at various points in history the likes of preston, huddersfield and wolves were regarded as practically unbeatable, the concept of a european cup arose after a french journalist had just seen the mighty wolves team of the 1950`s beat real madrid and honved (who were practically that great hungarian national side - puskas, kocsis etc), that wolves team had a huge following (the highest ever attendance at anfield (61,000) was against that wolves side) and they were packed with stars like the legendary england captain billy wright. people in the 50`s wouldnt have believed that wolves would end up a lower division side.
at the moment we are still in the fight, we have got to stay there.

[Simari]

I would respectfully disagree with the notion that we stopped aiming high, just because we reset our expectations for the short-term. It can't be that difficult to do for a couple more years?

It is the approach to returning to those heights that we need to re-assess. You can buy your way to success or re-build and it's quite clear we are doing the latter. It means that in the short-term (we're talking a few years here), we may not see the sort of glory we have been craving for.

Our club and it's overall structure has been in decay for years. FSG's approach to re-building is to systematically remove decay from the bottom up and not my throwing cash at it. They've also finally had the guts to go with a young manager who has a definitive, clear philosophy on football and that isn't simply teaching that to the current first team, but to instill it in our youth.

There is absolutely nothing anyone can say to comfort those looking for instant success other than to sit back and watch these individuals torment themselves and pretty much vent frustration in an un-healthy manner. I can certainly understand their point of view.

But I'm simply suggesting that by taking a slightly different view on the changes that we've gone through over the past 2 years could just result in a longer, but more enjoyable ride back to the top.

Yes, certain owners have demonstrated that throwing silly money at their clubs, leaving them financially unsustainable does work. But that road almost always ends in tears. It may not seem like it now, and I re-iterate that some of these clubs will continue to do so for a few more years to come, but a large number of these clubs will suffer in the long run.

Personally, I am far more interested about the continued legacy of LFC and development from grass-roots through the academy than I am for a couple of glory years financed by multi billionaires.

But that is just my opinion.

[maguskwt]

After Johnson scored his goal, the camera showed Rodgers writing down notes... the meticulousness reminded me of someone 

[paisleyred]

In Brendan we trust!

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

I would respectfully disagree with the notion that we stopped aiming high, just because we reset our expectations for the short-term. It can't be that difficult to do for a couple more years?

It is the approach to returning to those heights that we need to re-assess. You can buy your way to success or re-build and it's quite clear we are doing the latter. It means that in the short-term (we're talking a few years here), we may not see the sort of glory we have been craving for.

Our club and it's overall structure has been in decay for years. FSG's approach to re-building is to systematically remove decay from the bottom up and not my throwing cash at it. They've also finally had the guts to go with a young manager who has a definitive, clear philosophy on football and that isn't simply teaching that to the current first team, but to instill it in our youth.

There is absolutely nothing anyone can say to comfort those looking for instant success other than to sit back and watch these individuals torment themselves and pretty much vent frustration in an un-healthy manner. I can certainly understand their point of view.

But I'm simply suggesting that by taking a slightly different view on the changes that we've gone through over the past 2 years could just result in a longer, but more enjoyable ride back to the top.

Yes, certain owners have demonstrated that throwing silly money at their clubs, leaving them financially unsustainable does work. But that road almost always ends in tears. It may not seem like it now, and I re-iterate that some of these clubs will continue to do so for a few more years to come, but a large number of these clubs will suffer in the long run.

Personally, I am far more interested about the continued legacy of LFC and development from grass-roots through the academy than I am for a couple of glory years financed by multi billionaires.

But that is just my opinion.

the thing is mate how many clubs in the modern era have got to the VERY top without spending big money? the clubs who have gatecrashed united`s monopoly on the premiership trophy basically bought the title (blackburn, chelsea, city). the other major player in the prem era (arsenal) were always there or there abouts, dont forget it was arsenal that were our main rivals for the title in the late 80`s and early 90`s and when we became the club with the most league titles in the 70`s it was arsenal that we were taking the record from.
i really hope you are right but i`ve heard all this restructuring and `preparing for success` talk before, houllier constantly said those type of things as did rafa at times, infact we even had it under souness when we had the likes of david james, rob jones, robbie fowler, jamie redknapp, ste mcmanaman, don hutchinson and ste harkness all coming through at once, we were told results were poor now but because of good planning we had a new generation of winners coming through the ranks.
over the last 20 years we just gone from one grand idea to another, at the time they all seemed promising but they all ended up fizzling out and then we moved onto the next one.
when you have watched them for as long as me it`s hard not to be cynical about the next great idea, i`ve seen so many of them come to nothing.

[Ben Patrick]

The unfortunate bit in all of this is that a large number of fans are still living in the past. But rather than turn over a new leaf and support our new manager, some of us prefer to wallow in his perceived weaknesses. He is a young manager on the international stage. Yet we continually hold him in comparison to our history, expecting miracles and pointing the finger in every direction when said miracles won't come to fruition.

This is the first season in a long time that I am completely re-adjusting my expectations. And truth be told, it has certainly helped me develop a positive outlook for this season. More than anything, I'm looking forward to seeing significant changes in our style of play over the entire season. Progress for me, first and foremost would be that the team learn to pass the football with a style that is pleasing to the eye.

The only expectation I have is for BR to impress his style on our academy. That is our future.

Any other achievement beyond that would be a welcome surprise

i think what some fans are concerned about mate is that once you stop aiming high in this game then you quickly become an also ran.
and once you become an also ran it`s very hard to make your way back to the top again, infact these days unless you are bought by a rich sheik or russian it`s practically impossible.
once you become a mid table side even if you do sign and develop good young players it`s so hard to keep them because just as you think you are building a good side the top clubs come and send you back to square one again.
look at everton, they are a traditional giant of the game, before ferguson arrived at old trafford they had won more league titles than united. from the 1880`s right through to the mid 1990`s they were more successfull than manchester united.
if wayne rooney would have come through the ranks at everton at any other point in their history then he would have been a one club man like gerrard and carragher but because everton have slipped back they were forced to sell him, rooney became `too good for them`, they couldnt `match his ambitions`.
at the moment we have just enough top quality players to hang on to the top table by our fingernails, we really, really need to move heaven and earth to stay there because once we fall back we wont be climbing back up anytime soon without heavy investment in the playing squad.
all this talk of just wanting to see improvement in our playing style etc isnt enough at this point in our history, we are at a crossroads that we havent been at for 50 years, half a century ago bill shankly took us down the right path, if rodgers takes us down the wrong path we may not get back to the top in decades and decades, if ever again. the history of english football isnt a traditional 2 horse race like spain or scotland, english football is littered with fallen giants, at various points in history the likes of preston, huddersfield and wolves were regarded as practically unbeatable, the concept of a european cup arose after a french journalist had just seen the mighty wolves team of the 1950`s beat real madrid and honved (who were practically that great hungarian national side - puskas, kocsis etc), that wolves team had a huge following (the highest ever attendance at anfield (61,000) was against that wolves side) and they were packed with stars like the legendary england captain billy wright. people in the 50`s wouldnt have believed that wolves would end up a lower division side.
at the moment we are still in the fight, we have got to stay there.

Agree with the sentiments but feel your concerns are OTT mate.
Everton and the likes of wolves and other clubs that have had success in the past was more like a decent period than a major history if you understand what i mean.

Just decent era's.
The late 70's and 80's where great for Everton but that's really about it rather than a decent history pre 50's which to be honest i dont even consider as football then was totally different.

Even in the last 20 years when we have struggled to compete, i have seen us win 2 FA cups, the champions league, the UEFA cup and 3 Carling cups.
That's not the sign of a club that will go down the also rans description.

We will struggle to compete for the league for now and the other top honours but we wont end up in mid table obscurity regardless of manager.

Rodgers appears to have a clear philosophy of how to take us forward and might have to do it on a more limited budget than we would want but he wont take us to midtable i'm confident in that.

[maypaxvobiscum]

Does anyone feel Charlie Adam isn't really suited to BR's style? He seemed very sluggish, a lil bit out of sorts in the game last night.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

The unfortunate bit in all of this is that a large number of fans are still living in the past. But rather than turn over a new leaf and support our new manager, some of us prefer to wallow in his perceived weaknesses. He is a young manager on the international stage. Yet we continually hold him in comparison to our history, expecting miracles and pointing the finger in every direction when said miracles won't come to fruition.

This is the first season in a long time that I am completely re-adjusting my expectations. And truth be told, it has certainly helped me develop a positive outlook for this season. More than anything, I'm looking forward to seeing significant changes in our style of play over the entire season. Progress for me, first and foremost would be that the team learn to pass the football with a style that is pleasing to the eye.

The only expectation I have is for BR to impress his style on our academy. That is our future.

Any other achievement beyond that would be a welcome surprise

i think what some fans are concerned about mate is that once you stop aiming high in this game then you quickly become an also ran.
and once you become an also ran it`s very hard to make your way back to the top again, infact these days unless you are bought by a rich sheik or russian it`s practically impossible.
once you become a mid table side even if you do sign and develop good young players it`s so hard to keep them because just as you think you are building a good side the top clubs come and send you back to square one again.
look at everton, they are a traditional giant of the game, before ferguson arrived at old trafford they had won more league titles than united. from the 1880`s right through to the mid 1990`s they were more successfull than manchester united.
if wayne rooney would have come through the ranks at everton at any other point in their history then he would have been a one club man like gerrard and carragher but because everton have slipped back they were forced to sell him, rooney became `too good for them`, they couldnt `match his ambitions`.
at the moment we have just enough top quality players to hang on to the top table by our fingernails, we really, really need to move heaven and earth to stay there because once we fall back we wont be climbing back up anytime soon without heavy investment in the playing squad.
all this talk of just wanting to see improvement in our playing style etc isnt enough at this point in our history, we are at a crossroads that we havent been at for 50 years, half a century ago bill shankly took us down the right path, if rodgers takes us down the wrong path we may not get back to the top in decades and decades, if ever again. the history of english football isnt a traditional 2 horse race like spain or scotland, english football is littered with fallen giants, at various points in history the likes of preston, huddersfield and wolves were regarded as practically unbeatable, the concept of a european cup arose after a french journalist had just seen the mighty wolves team of the 1950`s beat real madrid and honved (who were practically that great hungarian national side - puskas, kocsis etc), that wolves team had a huge following (the highest ever attendance at anfield (61,000) was against that wolves side) and they were packed with stars like the legendary england captain billy wright. people in the 50`s wouldnt have believed that wolves would end up a lower division side.
at the moment we are still in the fight, we have got to stay there.

Agree with the sentiments but feel your concerns are OTT mate.
Everton and the likes of wolves and other clubs that have had success in the past was more like a decent period than a major history if you understand what i mean.

Just decent era's.
The late 70's and 80's where great for Everton but that's really about it rather than a decent history pre 50's which to be honest i dont even consider as football then was totally different.

Even in the last 20 years when we have struggled to compete, i have seen us win 2 FA cups, the champions league, the UEFA cup and 3 Carling cups.
That's not the sign of a club that will go down the also rans description.

We will struggle to compete for the league for now and the other top honours but we wont end up in mid table obscurity regardless of manager.

Rodgers appears to have a clear philosophy of how to take us forward and might have to do it on a more limited budget than we would want but he wont take us to midtable i'm confident in that.

you have got to take into consideration what success meant in the past and what it means today mate, bob paisley changed football and probably in hindsight not for the better. back in the day you `dominated an era` if you won 3 titles and a couple of f.a cups in a decade. that is nothing to be sneezed at btw because before money ruined the game football was uber competative. look how many different teams won the title even in bill shanklys era (wolves, burnley, spurs, ipswich, everton, man united, leeds, arsenal, man city, derby and of course liverpool) and earlier on it was even more competative.
despite the sport being so competative the likes of everton were always there or thereabouts and they won the title in the 1890`s, the 1910`s, 1920`s, 1930`s, (most of the 1940`s were lost due to the war), 1950`s, the 1960`, the 1970`s and the 1980`s. that is phenominal consistency over a long period of time, i know you want to do a sky tv and airbrush part of football history out but that history is important, we dont say we have won the title 12 times do we?
dont forget mate that before bill shankly arrived we hadnt even won the f.a cup before and we didnt even become the biggest club in this city until near the end of shankly`s reign.
the likes of wolves may not have won a long list of trophy`s that the likes of us and united won in our era`s of dominance but that doesnt mean wolves didnt dominate their era, in the 1950`s they won 3 titles, finished runners up 3 times and finished 3rd another 3 times, they also won the f.a cup twice. (dont forget back then the league cup and european competition didnt exist). in the 1950`s, considering how competative the game was wolves`s record was phenominal.

[Roger Red Hat]

Does anyone feel Charlie Adam isn't really suited to BR's style? He seemed very sluggish, a lil bit out of sorts in the game last night.

I think 'sh!t' is the word your looking for. he's tosh mate. He looked good in the Blackpool team but his weaknessess have now been exposed for all to see...  he's not really very good at all