Thommo's perm » Wed May 27, 2015 9:12 am wrote:What you are saying is that people are happy with Sundays result and where we finished in the league. This couldnt be further from the truth. I personally am Fu*king fuming at how we publicly imploded and threw away a legitimate chance of finishing in the top 3, never mind top 4. But to blame it all on the manager is silly and unfair. Of course he has to take the majority of the responsibility as he sorts the tactics, formations and team selection, but there have been other major factors in this seasons fiasco. The Sterling story and Gerrards announcement to leave both took their toll and morale has been terrible for months. Of course the managers constant bullsh'it to the media didnt help, nor his picking of players who were either unwilling or unable to do the job. The money thats been spent on certain players looks to have been a mistake, but others simply havent had the chance, or taken it when they have.
We mustnt fall into the trap of thinking that a new manager will guarantee instant success because it wont. He will bring in a new method and new staff and probably new players, and all these things will take time to work, if they work at all. Lets not forget that FSG do things their way and wont be rushed into hasty decisions just because people are calling for Rodgers head. People are already criticising interest in the likes of Ings and Bentekke, but what we would have given for those two last season instead of Sterling and Balotelli?
We need a little time to calm ourselves and take stock and analyse what went wrong and why. Rodgers is here until Christmas at the earliest, so lets see what happens over the summer before we start acting like evertonians and mancs. Once the deadwood and distractions have gone we will see where we stand and what weve got. Be positive and good things will happen...
eds » Thu May 28, 2015 1:28 am wrote:
1. It's evident that we have gone down a disastrous road of recruiting players and for one I don't think that this strategy or approach will change under FSG. Simply because they aren't prepared to take massive risks on players over 25yo that ask for premium wages. If you look at the last three years alone, we have only signed 3 players over the age of 25! From these three Lambert and Toure are almost in the twilight of their careers! So Adam Lallana is the only player to arrive anywhere close to reaching his peak and I'm convinced we just bought him because of the home grown rule anyway.
I would rather spend the money in bringing in just one or two key players, someone like a Vidal or a Benzema or a Reus, etc. Imagine the difference one of these players would make. They would inspire the youngsters, give us some real experience and unite the fanbase that we are going somewhere. The problem is that we are not going to do that, not under this regime.
eds » Thu May 28, 2015 1:28 am wrote:Thommo's perm » Wed May 27, 2015 9:12 am wrote:What you are saying is that people are happy with Sundays result and where we finished in the league. This couldnt be further from the truth. I personally am Fu*king fuming at how we publicly imploded and threw away a legitimate chance of finishing in the top 3, never mind top 4. But to blame it all on the manager is silly and unfair. Of course he has to take the majority of the responsibility as he sorts the tactics, formations and team selection, but there have been other major factors in this seasons fiasco. The Sterling story and Gerrards announcement to leave both took their toll and morale has been terrible for months. Of course the managers constant bullsh'it to the media didnt help, nor his picking of players who were either unwilling or unable to do the job. The money thats been spent on certain players looks to have been a mistake, but others simply havent had the chance, or taken it when they have.
We mustnt fall into the trap of thinking that a new manager will guarantee instant success because it wont. He will bring in a new method and new staff and probably new players, and all these things will take time to work, if they work at all. Lets not forget that FSG do things their way and wont be rushed into hasty decisions just because people are calling for Rodgers head. People are already criticising interest in the likes of Ings and Bentekke, but what we would have given for those two last season instead of Sterling and Balotelli?
We need a little time to calm ourselves and take stock and analyse what went wrong and why. Rodgers is here until Christmas at the earliest, so lets see what happens over the summer before we start acting like evertonians and mancs. Once the deadwood and distractions have gone we will see where we stand and what weve got. Be positive and good things will happen...
But Rodgers isn't being blamed for ALL of our problems.
As many forum members including myself have highlighted a lot of the current problems stem from a combination of many things.
1. It's evident that we have gone down a disastrous road of recruiting players and for one I don't think that this strategy or approach will change under FSG. Simply because they aren't prepared to take massive risks on players over 25yo that ask for premium wages. If you look at the last three years alone, we have only signed 3 players over the age of 25! From these three Lambert and Toure are almost in the twilight of their careers! So Adam Lallana is the only player to arrive anywhere close to reaching his peak and I'm convinced we just bought him because of the home grown rule anyway.
2. As we have lost Suarez / Gerrard, Sturridge spending the entire season on a doctor's table and Sterling almost with his foot out the door we are placed in a position that has asked many questions of our owner's ambitions and our ability in acquiring class to replace these players. I agree whether its Rodgers or anyone else managing us, how exactly are we supposed to be competitive if our best players leave without having the funds or a restrictive youth policy that allows you to bring in like for like replacements? I can't see Benitez or Ancelotti working under these conditions, maybe Klopp, but why would he? That's why this club is ideal for a young and relatively inexperienced manager that can work within these constraints.
3. The reality is that we aren't going to be in the CL for a few years unless some dramatic changes take place at the club. Bringing in players like Ings, Milner and Benteke will only further our fall from the top. They aren't players we need. I would rather spend the money in bringing in just one or two key players, someone like a Vidal or a Benzema or a Reus, etc. Imagine the difference one of these players would make. They would inspire the youngsters, give us some real experience and unite the fanbase that we are going somewhere. The problem is that we are not going to do that, not under this regime.
4. Personally I think Sterling leaving is not a good thing and I don't know why supporters are happy with him leaving. The kid is a bad apple that hasn't been managed properly during his time here and obviously has advisors working against the club. But sometimes you need selfish individuals to do well, it's just part of life, in my eyes its just what you are willing to accept. I find it incredibly ironic that the media have driven us to paint Sterling and Suarez in the same pantomime villain light yet Manure over the years had no problems winning titles with the likes of Nani, Roy Keane or Eric Cantona while Cheatski had the likes John Terry and an army of "divers" winning them titles. Led by an awful individual in Mourinho. The hypocrisy is staggering. I also can't understand why we haven't smartened up to this. This notion of not spending money like Chelsea or City while winning the title with a bunch of 11 angels (preferably from the City of Liverpool) as the only 'honourable' way of winning is f**king embarrassing really!
You asked for analysis and there it is. Hardly any of it to do with Rodgers.
As I said time and time again, Rodgers is just a very small cog in all of this.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 27, 2015 3:10 pm wrote:Santa » Wed May 27, 2015 12:47 pm wrote:You know it has hit rock bottom when the team just suffered a 5 goals whopping in the first 45 mins, players not giving a shit while wearing the shirt, minds on holidays and merely going through the motion yet some ass here choose to be happy calling it team spirit. Get a fucking life will ya and stop all these bullshit...where are your pride watching us got hammered by the mighty Palace and Stoke in consecutive weeks and still choose to look away and pretending we are not in some serious shit? Supporters? deluded more like
We've had players playing for this club in the past who wouldn't have been able to get out of bed for 2 days after a result like that.
Our most humiliating defeat in half a century and hours later the players are partying like they couldn't care less, says it all really. No wonder we are losers and also rans.
Probably had a great night when we got our @rses handed to us by Villa at Wembley too.
When you think that players like Kevin Keegan and Emlyn Hughes got paid a couple of hundred pounds a week and you see that bunch of losers dancing around in a millionaires paradise it just puts everything into perspective.
Then again I'm calling them losers, the real losers are the fans who pay for all this.
5-0 down at half time to a team built around Charlie Adam and Jon Walters
mart » Thu May 28, 2015 7:44 am wrote:eds » Thu May 28, 2015 1:28 am wrote:
1. It's evident that we have gone down a disastrous road of recruiting players and for one I don't think that this strategy or approach will change under FSG. Simply because they aren't prepared to take massive risks on players over 25yo that ask for premium wages. If you look at the last three years alone, we have only signed 3 players over the age of 25! From these three Lambert and Toure are almost in the twilight of their careers! So Adam Lallana is the only player to arrive anywhere close to reaching his peak and I'm convinced we just bought him because of the home grown rule anyway.
Mignolet is 27, Aspas is 27
Lovren, Sakho, Sturridge, Allen, Balotelli, Assaidi, were all bought at an age of 24-25 as established first team players for their clubs.
We have also tried to get players like Alexis Sanchez.
Its not like we are just trying to get untested kids.
mart » Thu May 28, 2015 7:44 am wrote:
Why would Vidal, Benzema or Reus come to us? The problem isnt the regime or the percieved lack of money. All of those players would have a lot of offers from other top clubs if they were available for transfer. At the moment we are not anywhere near as attractive as other top clubs. We dont have any real star players in the squad, we cant offer CL and we have a manager that has never won anything and keeps on making a fool of himself in the media. Even Man City when they had more money than god, struggled to get the really top players for a while.
Last season when we finished 2'nd and got CL was our big chance to get some more top quality players. But we lost it again when we sold our biggest attraction by far. Everyone could see how important Suarez was for the team, and that we would likely struggle without him.
As long as we cant pick and choose from the top shelf, we have to try to get some younger players with great potential or find some "hidden talent" and build from that. Preferably with a manager that knows how to spot top talent, and knows how to get the best from the players he has.
Fowler_E7 » Wed May 27, 2015 1:25 pm wrote:Santa » Wed May 27, 2015 12:47 pm wrote:You know it has hit rock bottom when the team just suffered a 5 goals whopping in the first 45 mins, players not giving a shit while wearing the shirt, minds on holidays and merely going through the motion yet some ass here choose to be happy calling it team spirit. Get a fucking life will ya and stop all these bullshit...where are your pride watching us got hammered by the mighty Palace and Stoke in consecutive weeks and still choose to look away and pretending we are not in some serious shit? Supporters? deluded more like
Easy love, that time of the month or something? I think every supporter has a right to be fuming with the performance of the team this season and last especially last weekend, however them going on holiday to Dubai means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, if they players want to give Gerrard a send off good on them, its the least he deserves.
Thommo's perm » Thu May 28, 2015 10:36 am wrote:
With respect eds, the thread is titled "Job too big for Rodgers?". The whole topic of conversation is about his ability (or lack of it) to make LFC a force again. The discussion is primarily focused on whether he should keep his job or be sacked, not whether FSG should go?
You make some decent points, but the majority of people both on and off here are discussing the manager's future, and they are putting our decline down to him. I think its too easy to make him the scapegoat, and like you, I see other elements adding to our current state. But I stand by my comments and believe that the summer will be a key time in his leadership, and once the distractions are sorted he will show what he can do, or not, as the case may be?
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 27, 2015 1:10 pm wrote:Santa » Wed May 27, 2015 12:47 pm wrote:You know it has hit rock bottom when the team just suffered a 5 goals whopping in the first 45 mins, players not giving a shit while wearing the shirt, minds on holidays and merely going through the motion yet some ass here choose to be happy calling it team spirit. Get a fucking life will ya and stop all these bullshit...where are your pride watching us got hammered by the mighty Palace and Stoke in consecutive weeks and still choose to look away and pretending we are not in some serious shit? Supporters? deluded more like
We've had players playing for this club in the past who wouldn't have been able to get out of bed for 2 days after a result like that.
Our most humiliating defeat in half a century and hours later the players are partying like they couldn't care less, says it all really. No wonder we are losers and also rans.
Probably had a great night when we got our @rses handed to us by Villa at Wembley too.
When you think that players like Kevin Keegan and Emlyn Hughes got paid a couple of hundred pounds a week and you see that bunch of losers dancing around in a millionaires paradise it just puts everything into perspective.
Then again I'm calling them losers, the real losers are the fans who pay for all this.
5-0 down at half time to a team built around Charlie Adam and Jon Walters
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