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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

As somebody pointed out, on paper we have a more talented squad than many of the teams who have been outperforming us, As somebody pointed out, on paper we have a more talented squad than many of the teams who have been outperforming us, ]

I don't believe we have  such a talented squad as you or others believe.

i disagree, 90% of the managers in the prem would willingly swap their own squad for ours, including david moyes imo, i think moyes would relish the chance of having the likes of suarez, sahin, lucas, gerrard, johnson, agger, skrtel, sterling and even andy carroll to work with.
if moyes (or practically anyone else) was liverpool manager no way would carroll be at west ham.
the difference between moyes and rodgers is that moyes is making the most out of the resources available to him while rodgers is clearly not, rodgers has had the top scorer in the division in his team for most of the season and yet we`ve spent practically the entire campaign in the bottom half of the table, that is clearly not making best use of the resources available to you.
moyes gets average players like osman, neville, hibbert and anichebe and turns them into effective premiership players.
i think wenger would swap too, that is the worst squad arsenal have had in the 17 years he`s been there.
i think the only teams who wouldnt swap are united, city, chelsea and maybe spurs.

[redno7]

Agree with you mate. Some forum members are just not mature enough to voice out their reasons if they disagree with the opinions of other members but unfortunately resort to name calling and ridicule. Should click on the report abuse tab if happens again in future.

it's really easy, slate the manager or the players of my team and you get called a cu.nt

it really is that simple mate. It'd be the same for anyone, a bloke in a pub, man on the street, someone on a forum. All treat the same. there's no need to stir up a witch hunt against a manager that is new to the task. He's still the gaffer of 'MY' supported club therefore I'll get defensive. Don't like it? tuff sh!t.

[JC_81]

Ycsatbjywbtiastkamb....

I get what you're saying about us not making the best of our resources and I agree. For this season at least. But by the end of last season we were a long ball side and the only way Rodgers was going to change that was removing Carroll from the equation. Leave him in and as soon as we're under pressure in a game it's too tempting to hit him early. He has changed the way we play I believe and our young players like Suso and Sterling show great confidence receiving the ball under pressure.

I do buy into what Rodgers has been preaching that we have to take some hurt in the short term to get back to the top.  His model can work but only when we have the quality in the team to do so. Right now we don't. I don't think our squad is nearly as good as you think mate.

Managers are judged by two things. Results and signings. I'm not impressed by either so far with Rodgers, and especially not if we spend 16 mil on ince and sturridge. But time is needed. I'm willing to write this season off as long as we start showing signed of at least challenging the top 4 properly next season.

What you also have to factor in is the decline of Gerrard and loss of form of reina this season which I believe have been big factors in our league position. Rodgers can't be blamed for this I don't think.

[heimdall]

As somebody pointed out, on paper we have a more talented squad than many of the teams who have been outperforming us, As somebody pointed out, on paper we have a more talented squad than many of the teams who have been outperforming us, ]

I don't believe we have  such a talented squad as you or others believe.

i disagree, 90% of the managers in the prem would willingly swap their own squad for ours, including david moyes imo, i think moyes would relish the chance of having the likes of suarez, sahin, lucas, gerrard, johnson, agger, skrtel, sterling and even andy carroll to work with.
if moyes (or practically anyone else) was liverpool manager no way would carroll be at west ham.
the difference between moyes and rodgers is that moyes is making the most out of the resources available to him while rodgers is clearly not, rodgers has had the top scorer in the division in his team for most of the season and yet we`ve spent practically the entire campaign in the bottom half of the table, that is clearly not making best use of the resources available to you.
moyes gets average players like osman, neville, hibbert and anichebe and turns them into effective premiership players.
i think wenger would swap too, that is the worst squad arsenal have had in the 17 years he`s been there.
i think the only teams who wouldnt swap are united, city, chelsea and maybe spurs.

Ok we get it, you don't like Brendan Rodgers, now stop banging that drum please.

You are however completely delusional if you think Wenger would swap his squad for ours. The only players who would get into other top teams would be Agger, Johnson and Suarez. Maybe Reina would get in but on current form I doubt it. Apart form that we have pretty good players and plenty of young players with huge potential who will hopefully develop into very good players but we are a million miles behind Manure, Citeh and the Chavs. Arsenal also have a better squad than us, lots of yongsters but they are about 1-2 years further along than our youngsters.
Bottom line we need some shrewd spending to challenge for 3rd place in the table but I do believe 4th is acheievable, if not this year then next.

[The Raven]

Agree with you mate. Some forum members are just not mature enough to voice out their reasons if they disagree with the opinions of other members but unfortunately resort to name calling and ridicule. Should click on the report abuse tab if happens again in future.

it's really easy, slate the manager or the players of my team and you get called a cu.nt

it really is that simple mate. It'd be the same for anyone, a bloke in a pub, man on the street, someone on a forum. All treat the same. there's no need to stir up a witch hunt against a manager that is new to the task. He's still the gaffer of 'MY' supported club therefore I'll get defensive. Don't like it? tuff sh!t.

Wow, you are the best super fan ive ever seen      

[The Raven]

Agree with you mate. Some forum members are just not mature enough to voice out their reasons if they disagree with the opinions of other members but unfortunately resort to name calling and ridicule. Should click on the report abuse tab if happens again in future.

it's really easy, slate the manager or the players of my team and you get called a cu.nt

LMAO.

Udinese vs Liverpool – Thursday 6th December – k/o: 6.00
The Raven » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:30 pm wrote:
Is cole fit?

who cares? he's sh!t anyway.by redno7

By your own post that makes you a ..........

[redno7]

that makes me a cu.nt.    never said any different

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I believe this is the only season Rodgers can possibly get to grips with ironing out the creases in our set up ,and certainly without being lambasted by fans who
lack the patience, or the imagination to afford him at least one season identifying the pitfalls of managing such a wonderful football club . Well at least that's
what I thought  Now is definitely not the time to judge Rodgers .

[The Raven]

that makes me a cu.nt.    never said any different

At last we agree on something.!!!

[Kenny Kan]

@ yck

in typical fan fashion we over hype our players. if they were as good as you say we would be higher than we are, it really is that simple. wisdom, sterling, suso, shelvey, allen,  gerrard, downing, henderson have either been over used or are not good enough. our squad both in depth and talent is limited at best. the table doesnt lie.

[LFC1990]

Henderson has been underused and lacks confidence as a result of that

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

@ yck

in typical fan fashion we over hype our players. if they were as good as you say we would be higher than we are, it really is that simple. wisdom, sterling, suso, shelvey, allen,  gerrard, downing, henderson have either been over used or are not good enough. our squad both in depth and talent is limited at best. the table doesnt lie.

i disagree mate, sterling and suso are two of the brightest prospects in the game, if we said we were prepared to listen to offers for them the clubs announcing their interest would be like a who`s who of european football, granted wisdom may not be in that bracket but he is a good prospect too.
allen, shelvey and henderson are good young players themselves and full internationals before they got to 21, henderson is the current england u21 captain and sometimes we forget how young allen is. i think all 3 of them are better than cleverly at united and he`s 23/24.
gerrard is probably the best player i`ve ever seen in a red shirt and although he is not the player he once was he still has a lot to offer but it`s clear the manager doesnt know how to get the best out of him.
downing has been a huge dissappointment but the manager seems to like him, playing him in various positions and giving him plenty of opportunities to prove himself.
the only problem with most of those players you mentioned is that they need more experience, but thats not the same as being not good enough.

[woof woof !]

gerrard is probably the best player i`ve ever seen in a red shirt and although he is not the player he once was he still has a lot to offer but it`s clear the manager doesn't know how to get the best out of him

I agree but in fairness to the manager I'm not sure that even Stevie himself has yet defined what's the best role for him at this stage in his career.

The days of regular lung bursting runs and 30 yard screamers into the net are sadly apparently behind him but the fella still has more to offer than half of the rest of the squad put together.

Still our most committed, strongest, experienced, all round gifted and best "killer ball" passer in the squad  I'd give him a deep lying creative role something similar to the one Alonso performed for us, or is that to obvious 

[maguskwt]

The so called fans who is getting on BR's back at this point in time should be ashamed of themselves!

[The Raven]

The so called fans who is getting on BR's back at this point in time should be ashamed of themselves!

why? Hes done some really strange things.

So i question them.

Playing downing at left back, talking to the press about 2nd place, talking to the press about not being able to "fix" us before his contract runs out ect.

Sorry i wont blindy follow anyone.

If that makes me a bad person, scab, and a c*nt then so be it.