Liverpool FC Forum

[tubby]

If we win the FA cup it may help his case come the end of the season but realistically we haven't progressed as much as we should have given the money we spent. Writing is on the wall imo.

[friendlyguy33]

If we win the FA cup it may help his case come the end of the season but realistically we haven't progressed as much as we should have given the money we spent. Writing is on the wall imo.

I saw something online two days ago about an emergency meeting of the owners. I can't believe that KK will be removed from his post with an FA Cup semi-final to prepare for. That said I wonder what the reaction will be if Wigan win today and whether the club will start to make longer term plans.

[friendlyguy33]

I do find it funny how people are now starting to see what a great manager Benitez was for us. It's just ashame that these supporters decided to twist the knife in Benitez's back in his final season, forgetting everything he done for us, ignoring everything he done for us, simply because of one poor season. Quite why Benitez still has a fondness for this club after his treatment by the Owners, the men in suits and sections of our fan base, the media and his own players is beyond me. I have always been a huge fan of Rafa, have always respected him, never once wanted him to be sacked. I remember being on the .tv boards, reading about Rafa's departure and being in a flood of tears. I have never been so ashamed to be a supporter of this club than on the day this club removed Rafa as our manager. I was so upset that I was seriously considering severing ties with the club and not following football anymore. Rafa was not just our manager, he was one of us and he fought for the good of this club to ensure that us fans still had a club. If he comes back I will be the happiest Liverpool supporter on the planet - a wonderful manager, a wonderful man and a fantastic servant to our football club. Benitez is a legend of this club, an absolute legend and I am so proud to have watched his tenure as Liverpool manager. I hope one day he comes back, because he has unfinished business - but if I was him, I wouldn't bother, but that's the difference between myself and Benitez. Benitez is a man of impeccable class, I am not.

Fair point but Benitez still blew it in at least three home games during 2008-2009 by not being attacking enough and ultimately that cost us the title. He'd still be at the club now if those games had been won.

[dawson99]

Not back to Benitez please, we have moved on, we were stale under him. We were boring, our football was awful, and he made some severe player desicions that cost him the job. Kenny needs to sort it out quick or hes gone too

F*ck history, we can't be losing to QPR 3-2 and thinking things are fine. We will probably end the season closer to the bottom team than the toip, and that ain't right, but i hope Kenny sorts it

[tubby]

Daws I think with any manager, once the honeymoon period is over and the cracks begin to reveal themselves then the team always gets 'stale'. But if stale for you was mixing it up with the best in Europe season in season out then id love to be stale again. The truth is under Rafa we had a world class manager, a true tactician. And he made his fair share of mistakes but let's not forget the owners who were in charge then. Rafa under FSG would be a good partnership imo. Just think had we bought in the players Rafa wanted initially where we might be, Simao, Dani Alvez, Jovetic, Silva and who knows who else... I'm not saying get him back but if the chance presents itself I think we would be mad to not take it. Ultimatley we need someone in the Rafa mould, a genuine tactician who knows the modern game, a perfectionist who is hungry for success.

Botom line is 7th wasn't good enough for Rafa so I don't see why it would be good now. Granted top 4 was never a given this seasonl, we have been shocking and souless at times. The players simply look like they are not motivated. Quality is still lacking too and I bet the owners are kicking themselves they did not buy a striker in the Jan window although I suspect that is probably down to the fact that they will allow that to happen under a new manager come the summer. Not sure what can be sorted or salvaged at this point tbh. I'm just want this season over with already,

If we win the FA cup it may help his case come the end of the season but realistically we haven't progressed as much as we should have given the money we spent. Writing is on the wall imo.

I saw something online two days ago about an emergency meeting of the owners. I can't believe that KK will be removed from his post with an FA Cup semi-final to prepare for. That said I wonder what the reaction will be if Wigan win today and whether the club will start to make longer term plans.

Must admit I only come on here once a week now so I missed that but itmay have been to do with the alleged stadium announcment that was due this weekend?

[dawson99]

Daws I think with any manager, once the honeymoon period is over and the cracks begin to reveal themselves then the team always gets 'stale'. But if stale for you was mixing it up with the best in Europe season in season out then id love to be stale again.

Botom line is 7th wasn't good enough for Rafa so I don't see why it would be good now. Granted top 4 was never a given this seasonl, we have been shocking and souless at times. The players simply look like they are not motivated. Quality is still lacking too and I bet the owners are kicking themselves they did not buy a striker in the Jan window although I suspect that is probably down to the fact that they will allow that to happen under a new manager come the summer. Not sure what can be sorted or salvaged at this point tbh. I'm just want this season over with already,

7th isn't good enough, but Kenny has hardly had the time we graced Rafa, and we have only had Stevie/suarez/Carroll playing together like 3 times all season?

So lets cut him some slack

[tubby]

Daws I think with any manager, once the honeymoon period is over and the cracks begin to reveal themselves then the team always gets 'stale'. But if stale for you was mixing it up with the best in Europe season in season out then id love to be stale again.

Botom line is 7th wasn't good enough for Rafa so I don't see why it would be good now. Granted top 4 was never a given this seasonl, we have been shocking and souless at times. The players simply look like they are not motivated. Quality is still lacking too and I bet the owners are kicking themselves they did not buy a striker in the Jan window although I suspect that is probably down to the fact that they will allow that to happen under a new manager come the summer. Not sure what can be sorted or salvaged at this point tbh. I'm just want this season over with already,

7th isn't good enough, but Kenny has hardly had the time we graced Rafa, and we have only had Stevie/suarez/Carroll playing together like 3 times all season?

So lets cut him some slack

He's had a year and a half Dawson and a lot of money spent, over half as much as Rafa during his entire tenure. I don't think it's asking too much to be asking for some performance improvment in that time? I don't want to sound like I want him out today but realistically you have to ask what will more time bring? I can't see any visible evidence on the pitch of any shoots of recovery. Too often this season it's been 1 step forward 2 steps back so there are still deep lying problems imo and that's after spending a shed load of money. Id be surprised the owners see any different tbh.

[dawson99]

Daws I think with any manager, once the honeymoon period is over and the cracks begin to reveal themselves then the team always gets 'stale'. But if stale for you was mixing it up with the best in Europe season in season out then id love to be stale again.

Botom line is 7th wasn't good enough for Rafa so I don't see why it would be good now. Granted top 4 was never a given this seasonl, we have been shocking and souless at times. The players simply look like they are not motivated. Quality is still lacking too and I bet the owners are kicking themselves they did not buy a striker in the Jan window although I suspect that is probably down to the fact that they will allow that to happen under a new manager come the summer. Not sure what can be sorted or salvaged at this point tbh. I'm just want this season over with already,

7th isn't good enough, but Kenny has hardly had the time we graced Rafa, and we have only had Stevie/suarez/Carroll playing together like 3 times all season?

So lets cut him some slack

He's had a year and a half Dawson and a lot of money spent, over half as much as Rafa during his entire tenure. I don't think it's asking too much to be asking for some performance improvment in that time? I don't want to sound like I want him out today but realistically you have to ask what will more time bring? I can't see any visible evidence on the pitch of any shoots of recovery. Too often this season it's been 1 step forward 2 steps back so there are still deep lying problems imo and that's after spending a shed load of money. Id be surprised the owners see any different tbh.

Seriously? We still have people praying at the steps of Rafa.. seriously?

Yes Kenny has had a season, and hes spent a lot, but Rafa had a lot longer, and spent a lot, and changed his team more often than you chnage your pants, so Kenny deserves some time, and Rafa went a little after his sell by date

[tubby]

[quote="[url=http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=1161201#p1161201]
Seriously? We still have people praying at the steps of Rafa.. seriously?

Yes Kenny has had a season, and hes spent a lot, but Rafa had a lot longer, and spent a lot, and changed his team more often than you chnage your pants, so Kenny deserves some time, and Rafa went a little after his sell by date[/quote]

For me it's not even so much about the money but our style of play this season and general lack of direction. I think it was a mistake brining Carroll in not because of the player himself but because him and Suarez cannot. We should have gone for a player who can feed of the strengths of the rest of the squad like we did with Torres. Henry said before the start of the season 4th is our aim and we are a long way away from that right now. If we were pushing not far behind in 5th then I don't think anyone would argue that we are headed in the right direction and should stick with him but when the players start to exhibit the sorts of performances we have seen in the last few months then you can't help but feel we have plateud and need a new direction.

[Penguins]

Not back to Benitez please, we have moved on, we were stale under him. We were boring, our football was awful, and he made some severe player desicions that cost him the job. Kenny needs to sort it out quick or hes gone too

F*ck history, we can't be losing to QPR 3-2 and thinking things are fine. We will probably end the season closer to the bottom team than the toip, and that ain't right, but i hope Kenny sorts it

You say we were boring, our football was awful, and he made some severe player desicions that cost him the job. 1st of all we won games, 2nd of all Kenny has done a worse job in every category you mention there...

[D___C]

i had written the league off this season.. and just thought, ok ..next season is judgement for Kenny, but such is our shocking form can this actually go on much longer?

Personally i want Kenny to have another season because im convinced his methods work... but it needs good players for those methods to work.. and as we all know hes bought garbage.

Summer clearout of Carroll, Adam.. also discard Spearing and one or two others, spend whatever he recoups on quality from la liga and lets see how we go next season.

I cant recall a worse league season than this one. If we had any other manager but Kenny the fans would be calling for his head.

[friendlyguy33]

A pity Sterling didn't come on earlier today the lad showed real promise in the last few minutes with one decent cross and nearly put Skrtel in just before that. Why take Downing off Kenny? Why not have two wingers on the pitch? Shelvey did nothing. Does Kenny have any faith in his signings anymore? Adam is on the bench now for most games, Hendo came off at half time and Downing long before the end. The decisions on Meireles and Aquaman look more dodgy every week.

[Simari]

It's a bit of blind faith at this point.

We were in the Champions league every season under Rafa. The one season we dropped out of it, Rafa was gone. We wanted to move up from 4th to challenging for the title and we felt he wasn't good enough.

Well, we certainly haven't replaced him with a better manager. As much as respect Kenny for what he has done for Liverpool, he doesn't appear to really be with the times.

Eventually, it is about how well a team perform and produce the result. To go an entire season without producing results in the league is quite clearly a strong indication of management (both tactics and players).

It's obvious to most of us that players like Adam, Downing, Carroll cannot be first teamers as part of a league-winning team. If Kenny stays, his off-season transfer dealings will go a long way towards determining whether he truely recognises the issue.

If the players have switched off because all they care about is making it the FA cup final, that is another indication that we have the wrong set of players at our club.

[friendlyguy33]

i had written the league off this season.. and just thought, ok ..next season is judgement for Kenny, but such is our shocking form can this actually go on much longer?

Personally i want Kenny to have another season because im convinced his methods work... but it needs good players for those methods to work.. and as we all know hes bought garbage.

Summer clearout of Carroll, Adam.. also discard Spearing and one or two others, spend whatever he recoups on quality from la liga and lets see how we go next season.

I cant recall a worse league season than this one. If we had any other manager but Kenny the fans would be calling for his head.

I'd sell-
Aurelio
Adam
Kuyt (scores goals sometimes but does little else but run around)
Maxi
Cole

[akumaface]

It is really hard to watch us play nowadays...KK would still be a LFC legend no matter what. The thing is I haven't seen any improvement. We just have to look at this objectively. Would anyone consider KK as one of the top manager in the world today? I don't like Rafa to be back as we have to move on. But in terms of Managerial skill and reputation, Rafa still rate higher then KK and is considered in the same class of Morinhno, Wenger and Capello. Although we don't have any chance getting 4th but they got to show heart and the hunger for winning no matter we are 10th or 4th. Just didn't see any of it lately. I think the owner need to think hard if KK is the right person to lead the team. KK came and stable the sinking ship and we should thank him for that but even if we win the FA cup, I think KK still need to move on. Our team is "too nice" so to speak and really need more fight in them.