Liverpool FC Forum

by **red37** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:36 pm

it baffles me how shepherd is always linked with big money acquisitions at newcastle...

i mean...what the ***k do they have that liverpool dont?

it looks as though chelsea arent the only club that can do without their chief scout to be honest. who needs one of them when they can do all their recruitment based on who's in the 'champ.manager top 20 players listings'....

seriously though, they are doing almost as much as chelsea are where it comes to bumping up the fees, so no one else can get a sniff. then they have the temerity to not even play 'em! or to then decide theyr'e not even good enough in the first place....

roeder is ok as a manager. he could do well. but theyre mid-table fayre at best as it is. add a few more cuckoos in the nest, and ones that cant even fly at that, for how many millions of pounds and they could be without a wing or a prayer.

business sense doesnt bear thinking about where shepherd is around it seems..at the rate they are going, they'll do a leeds in 5 yrears. and as for tapping up all our so-called targets..dream on. liverpool fc is a far better option full stop.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:36 pm

red37 wrote:it baffles me how shepherd is always linked with big money acquisitions at newcastle...

i mean...what the ***k do they have that liverpool dont?

Their stadium holds over 52,000, and they have absolutely no problems filling it. It's the third highest capacity stadium in the Prem, after Old Trafford and Arsenal's new Emirates ground.

The extra revenue they get through bums on seats adds up enormously over a season, which is why they're so competitive in the transfer market.

by **stmichael** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:38 pm

Garymac wrote:to be honest i want Kuyt but ive had enough of us paying 10 miliion plus on strikers who can suposedly play on the right, look at are record buys, Heskey, Diouf and Cisse and look where they all fuc*ing ended up, as far as im aware, Kuyt is an out and out striker, never ever seen him play on the right.

I agree that I'd like to see us buy a right winger and not try to convert some one into one. We've tried that before: murphy, barmby, smicer, cisse etc and none of them panned out in that position. And Riise is an attacking left back who doesn't enjoy playing midfield. Alves may be the same.

However Kuyt is a completely different player to the names mentioned above.

Cisse scored alot of goals for Auxerre in a counter attacking side that sat deep and played with Cisse as the lone striker mostly. Their whole game plan was geared to play early passes for Cisse to run onto. That was there game plan and that was why he was effective. The manager who signed Cisse for Liverpool played the same way. The manager who played Cisse didn't. Diouf also scored a lot of goals in France for Lens who played predominantly on the counter-attack.

Kuyt has been playing as a lone striker or main striker in a 433 formation for Feyenoord. Feyenoords game plan was to get the ball to Kuyt who would hold it up and bring other players into the game. Feyenoord work it wide and get crosses in and he would link up with Kalou and Castellan. Rafa plays this way and therefore Kuyt IMO will not be another Cisse. Kuyt is strong, good in the air, good on the ball, links up and holds up play well and is an instinctive finisher as well as fitting the system.

He plays right wing for Holland because they basically have no one else. He was a right winger for Utrecht in his early career where he would get on average 10 goals a season from that position. They played him upfront one season and he got 20 goals, he hasn't got less than 20 goals in the league for the following 4 seasons. Because he has played right wing is the reason he is played there for the Oranje, he's an average winger at best IMO but is perfect for us as a targetman frontman. He'll give us a good option to rest Crouch and because he is more mobile will give us a different kind of threat but the same good things Crouch gives us (he isn't going to win as many headers as Crouch so Crouch will be more useful when we need an aeriel threat)

There are no guarantees about players as I though Morientes was right for our system but Kuyt is in the same mould as Morientes but is faster and more aggressive and puts himself about more as well as being hungrier as he hasn't got any medals yet. Personally i think he'll be a good signing and won't be a Cisse or a Diouf.

by **tubby** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:53 pm

passmeistro_#14 wrote:I do have my doubts about kuyt tbh, especially if we pay more than 10 million for him

The compilation of him is impressive, but as it has been said before, compilations can make any player look great... (Although i challenge the person who said a compilation on Titus Bramble can look good to make one and see! )

I'll be keeping a closer eye on this lad in the world cup. does anyone know whether he actually starts for Holland?

I dont think we will be able to afford that anymore.

Even if we can afford 10 that could be asking a lot. I wouldnthave expected Rafa to comment on how the Cisse injury would affect his spending unless he realy was limited in his kitty and had t sell before he could buy.

Or this could all be a decoy to lure teams into thinking we have limited funds so we get ripped of when shopping. I wouldnt put it past Rafa and Parry to do that but sadley i think we really are limited.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:03 am

bavlondon wrote:
passmeistro_#14 wrote:I do have my doubts about kuyt tbh, especially if we pay more than 10 million for him

The compilation of him is impressive, but as it has been said before, compilations can make any player look great... (Although i challenge the person who said a compilation on Titus Bramble can look good to make one and see! )

I'll be keeping a closer eye on this lad in the world cup. does anyone know whether he actually starts for Holland?

I dont think we will be able to afford that anymore.

Even if we can afford 10 that could be asking a lot. I wouldnthave expected Rafa to comment on how the Cisse injury would affect his spending unless he realy was limited in his kitty and had t sell before he could buy.

Or this could all be a decoy to lure teams into thinking we have limited funds so we get ripped of when shopping. I wouldnt put it past Rafa and Parry to do that but sadley i think we really are limited.

Come off it!

Throughout this season, we've earned £44.2m in TV revenue and prize money.

Add to that approximately £1.1m revenue per match (19 in league, 4 in Champions League proper and 1 in the FA Cup (Vs Scum).)

£26.4m from that, then. (It's a bit more actually, but I can't be ar*ed to work it out, so I've assumed that all tickets are £25 and gone by the average attendance last season: 44,241.

Then the 3 home ties in the CL qualifiers, where Parry reduced the ticket prices to £10 each for TNS and, I believe Kaunas.

TNS attendance: 44,760 @ £10 per ticket = £447, 600.

FBK Kaunas: 43,717 = £437,717.

CSKA Sofia = 42,175 @ £25 = £1,054,375.

Add it all together, and that's £72,539,692 in prize money, ticket sales and TV revenue.

Then there's the shirt sales which will probably double that figure World-wide. (I am guessing that, though, as I cannot find ANYTHING on shirt sales stats.)
The basis for this assumption is this: LFC supposedly have 15m fans according to that stupid survey conducted around November, if memory serves. Right. Lets assume that it's slightly wrong. Let's assume there are ACTUALLY 10m fans, OK? Right. Now, let's assume that 1/10th bought 1 shirt @ £35 (3 main ones were available last season).

1m x £35 = £17,500,000.

Now let's assume that a further 500k bought the 2 league shirts:

500k x £70 = £35,000,000.

Add the "10,000" Champions League shirts @ £40 a pop, and shirt sales alone add £52,900,000 to the total, bringing us to about £125m. (Obviously a substantial cut will go to Reebok for the manufacture of the shirts.)

The shirt-figures are purely guess work, but I don't think it is beyond the realms of sanity to assume that 1 in 7.5 LFC fans bought 1 or more shirts last season, especially after our CL triumph (Asia particularly). Even the kids will have got one for their Birthday or something.
Even after the players and staff have been paid, it's still a sizable sum.

I think your comment suggesting that we might be unable to find £10m to buy Kuyt is silly, TBH.

No offence mate, I just do.

by **kopite_1232002** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:09 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
passmeistro_#14 wrote:I do have my doubts about kuyt tbh, especially if we pay more than 10 million for him

The compilation of him is impressive, but as it has been said before, compilations can make any player look great... (Although i challenge the person who said a compilation on Titus Bramble can look good to make one and see! )

I'll be keeping a closer eye on this lad in the world cup. does anyone know whether he actually starts for Holland?

I dont think we will be able to afford that anymore.

Even if we can afford 10 that could be asking a lot. I wouldnthave expected Rafa to comment on how the Cisse injury would affect his spending unless he realy was limited in his kitty and had t sell before he could buy.

Or this could all be a decoy to lure teams into thinking we have limited funds so we get ripped of when shopping. I wouldnt put it past Rafa and Parry to do that but sadley i think we really are limited.

Come off it!

Throughout this season, we've earned £44.2m in TV revenue and prize money.

Add to that approximately £1.1m revenue per match (19 in league, 4 in Champions League proper and 1 in the FA Cup (Vs Scum).)

£26.4m from that, then. (It's a bit more actually, but I can't be ar*ed to work it out, so I've assumed that all tickets are £25 and gone by the average attendance last season: 44,241.

Then the 3 home ties in the CL qualifiers, where Parry reduced the ticket prices to £10 each for TNS and, I believe Kaunas.

TNS attendance: 44,760 @ £10 per ticket = £447, 600.

FBK Kaunas: 43,717 = £437,717.

CSKA Sofia = 42,175 @ £25 = £1,054,375.

Add it all together, and that's £72,539,692 in prize money, ticket sales and TV revenue.

Then there's the shirt sales which will probably double that figure World-wide. (I am guessing that, though, as I cannot find ANYTHING on shirt sales stats.)
The basis for this assumption is this: LFC supposedly have 15m fans according to that stupid survey conducted around November, if memory serves. Right. Lets assume that it's slightly wrong. Let's assume there are ACTUALLY 10m fans, OK? Right. Now, let's assume that 1/10th bought 1 shirt @ £35 (3 main ones were available last season).

1m x £35 = £17,500,000.

Now let's assume that a further 500k bought the 2 league shirts:

500k x £70 = £35,000,000.

Add the "10,000" Champions League shirts @ £40 a pop, and shirt sales alone add £52,900,000 to the total, bringing us to about £125m. (Obviously a substantial cut will go to Reebok for the manufacture of the shirts.)

The shirt-figures are purely guess work, but I don't think it is beyond the realms of sanity to assume that 1 in 7.5 LFC fans bought 1 or more shirts last season, especially after our CL triumph (Asia particularly). Even the kids will have got one for their Birthday or something.
Even after the players and staff have been paid, it's still a sizable sum.

I think your comment suggesting that we might be unable to find £10m to buy Kuyt is silly, TBH.

No offence mate, I just do.

What a post, take me hat off to u lando

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:18 am

kopite_1232002 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
passmeistro_#14 wrote:I do have my doubts about kuyt tbh, especially if we pay more than 10 million for him

The compilation of him is impressive, but as it has been said before, compilations can make any player look great... (Although i challenge the person who said a compilation on Titus Bramble can look good to make one and see! )

I'll be keeping a closer eye on this lad in the world cup. does anyone know whether he actually starts for Holland?

I dont think we will be able to afford that anymore.

Even if we can afford 10 that could be asking a lot. I wouldnthave expected Rafa to comment on how the Cisse injury would affect his spending unless he realy was limited in his kitty and had t sell before he could buy.

Or this could all be a decoy to lure teams into thinking we have limited funds so we get ripped of when shopping. I wouldnt put it past Rafa and Parry to do that but sadley i think we really are limited.

Come off it!

Throughout this season, we've earned £44.2m in TV revenue and prize money.

Add to that approximately £1.1m revenue per match (19 in league, 4 in Champions League proper and 1 in the FA Cup (Vs Scum).)

£26.4m from that, then. (It's a bit more actually, but I can't be ar*ed to work it out, so I've assumed that all tickets are £25 and gone by the average attendance last season: 44,241.

Then the 3 home ties in the CL qualifiers, where Parry reduced the ticket prices to £10 each for TNS and, I believe Kaunas.

TNS attendance: 44,760 @ £10 per ticket = £447, 600.

FBK Kaunas: 43,717 = £437,717.

CSKA Sofia = 42,175 @ £25 = £1,054,375.

Add it all together, and that's £72,539,692 in prize money, ticket sales and TV revenue.

Then there's the shirt sales which will probably double that figure World-wide. (I am guessing that, though, as I cannot find ANYTHING on shirt sales stats.)
The basis for this assumption is this: LFC supposedly have 15m fans according to that stupid survey conducted around November, if memory serves. Right. Lets assume that it's slightly wrong. Let's assume there are ACTUALLY 10m fans, OK? Right. Now, let's assume that 1/10th bought 1 shirt @ £35 (3 main ones were available last season).

1m x £35 = £17,500,000.

Now let's assume that a further 500k bought the 2 league shirts:

500k x £70 = £35,000,000.

Add the "10,000" Champions League shirts @ £40 a pop, and shirt sales alone add £52,900,000 to the total, bringing us to about £125m. (Obviously a substantial cut will go to Reebok for the manufacture of the shirts.)

The shirt-figures are purely guess work, but I don't think it is beyond the realms of sanity to assume that 1 in 7.5 LFC fans bought 1 or more shirts last season, especially after our CL triumph (Asia particularly). Even the kids will have got one for their Birthday or something.
Even after the players and staff have been paid, it's still a sizable sum.

I think your comment suggesting that we might be unable to find £10m to buy Kuyt is silly, TBH.

No offence mate, I just do.

What a post, take me hat off to u lando

Well put it back on, nip down the offy, and get me some beer then!!!

by **kopite_1232002** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:36 am

lol. ill go tesco they sell ale 24 hours a day now....

liverpool have never been a selling club and have never needed to sell there so called big players to bring in others, we must have as much money to spend on players as the scum, newcastle spurs, so i wudnt worry about it

The reason every 1 is in a huff and a puff is because we aint signed any 1, im sure all the deals are done and dusted between the clubs it will just be the players that need to sign, and i cant see nothink happenin till after the world cup,

as for cisse i feel sorry for the fella, 2 broken legs in 2 years, i like cisse i think he has goals he is a 50/50 player he ither has a belter or is just plain :censored:

, but as soon as his leg is fixed im sure he will be off in jan,

i dont think he will ever be the same again, iv id broken 2 ov my legs id be scared to run never mind goin in for a tackel, and there wasnt even a challange the other nite it just snapped sik......

by **jeffiroquai** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:35 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
passmeistro_#14 wrote:I do have my doubts about kuyt tbh, especially if we pay more than 10 million for him

The compilation of him is impressive, but as it has been said before, compilations can make any player look great... (Although i challenge the person who said a compilation on Titus Bramble can look good to make one and see! )

I'll be keeping a closer eye on this lad in the world cup. does anyone know whether he actually starts for Holland?

I dont think we will be able to afford that anymore.

Even if we can afford 10 that could be asking a lot. I wouldnthave expected Rafa to comment on how the Cisse injury would affect his spending unless he realy was limited in his kitty and had t sell before he could buy.

Or this could all be a decoy to lure teams into thinking we have limited funds so we get ripped of when shopping. I wouldnt put it past Rafa and Parry to do that but sadley i think we really are limited.

Come off it!

Throughout this season, we've earned £44.2m in TV revenue and prize money.

Add to that approximately £1.1m revenue per match (19 in league, 4 in Champions League proper and 1 in the FA Cup (Vs Scum).)

£26.4m from that, then. (It's a bit more actually, but I can't be ar*ed to work it out, so I've assumed that all tickets are £25 and gone by the average attendance last season: 44,241.

Then the 3 home ties in the CL qualifiers, where Parry reduced the ticket prices to £10 each for TNS and, I believe Kaunas.

TNS attendance: 44,760 @ £10 per ticket = £447, 600.

FBK Kaunas: 43,717 = £437,717.

CSKA Sofia = 42,175 @ £25 = £1,054,375.

Add it all together, and that's £72,539,692 in prize money, ticket sales and TV revenue.

Then there's the shirt sales which will probably double that figure World-wide. (I am guessing that, though, as I cannot find ANYTHING on shirt sales stats.)
The basis for this assumption is this: LFC supposedly have 15m fans according to that stupid survey conducted around November, if memory serves. Right. Lets assume that it's slightly wrong. Let's assume there are ACTUALLY 10m fans, OK? Right. Now, let's assume that 1/10th bought 1 shirt @ £35 (3 main ones were available last season).

1m x £35 = £17,500,000.

Now let's assume that a further 500k bought the 2 league shirts:

500k x £70 = £35,000,000.

Add the "10,000" Champions League shirts @ £40 a pop, and shirt sales alone add £52,900,000 to the total, bringing us to about £125m. (Obviously a substantial cut will go to Reebok for the manufacture of the shirts.)

The shirt-figures are purely guess work, but I don't think it is beyond the realms of sanity to assume that 1 in 7.5 LFC fans bought 1 or more shirts last season, especially after our CL triumph (Asia particularly). Even the kids will have got one for their Birthday or something.
Even after the players and staff have been paid, it's still a sizable sum.

I think your comment suggesting that we might be unable to find £10m to buy Kuyt is silly, TBH.

No offence mate, I just do.

brilliant math Lando, brilliant!

We have the funds, Rafa will find our gems.

Believe!

by **kobashi** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:20 am

stmichael wrote:
Garymac wrote:to be honest i want Kuyt but ive had enough of us paying 10 miliion plus on strikers who can suposedly play on the right, look at are record buys, Heskey, Diouf and Cisse and look where they all fuc*ing ended up, as far as im aware, Kuyt is an out and out striker, never ever seen him play on the right.

I agree that I'd like to see us buy a right winger and not try to convert some one into one. We've tried that before: murphy, barmby, smicer, cisse etc and none of them panned out in that position. And Riise is an attacking left back who doesn't enjoy playing midfield. Alves may be the same.

However Kuyt is a completely different player to the names mentioned above.

Cisse scored alot of goals for Auxerre in a counter attacking side that sat deep and played with Cisse as the lone striker mostly. Their whole game plan was geared to play early passes for Cisse to run onto. That was there game plan and that was why he was effective. The manager who signed Cisse for Liverpool played the same way. The manager who played Cisse didn't. Diouf also scored a lot of goals in France for Lens who played predominantly on the counter-attack.

Kuyt has been playing as a lone striker or main striker in a 433 formation for Feyenoord. Feyenoords game plan was to get the ball to Kuyt who would hold it up and bring other players into the game. Feyenoord work it wide and get crosses in and he would link up with Kalou and Castellan. Rafa plays this way and therefore Kuyt IMO will not be another Cisse. Kuyt is strong, good in the air, good on the ball, links up and holds up play well and is an instinctive finisher as well as fitting the system.

He plays right wing for Holland because they basically have no one else. He was a right winger for Utrecht in his early career where he would get on average 10 goals a season from that position. They played him upfront one season and he got 20 goals, he hasn't got less than 20 goals in the league for the following 4 seasons. Because he has played right wing is the reason he is played there for the Oranje, he's an average winger at best IMO but is perfect for us as a targetman frontman. He'll give us a good option to rest Crouch and because he is more mobile will give us a different kind of threat but the same good things Crouch gives us (he isn't going to win as many headers as Crouch so Crouch will be more useful when we need an aeriel threat)

There are no guarantees about players as I though Morientes was right for our system but Kuyt is in the same mould as Morientes but is faster and more aggressive and puts himself about more as well as being hungrier as he hasn't got any medals yet. Personally i think he'll be a good signing and won't be a Cisse or a Diouf.

Diouf was never prolific in france! if you look at his stats you will see he was never a goal scorer.

as for kuyt, yes you are right that he is a terrific CF who can come deep, hold up the ball, score headers etc but like i said before. how can him and crouch play together?

Kuyt is not gonna come to livepool to sit on the bench. can anyone seeing crouch being dropped? i can't see that happening at all.

by **112-1077774096** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:01 pm

well written lando, however the asian shirt theory may be a little out as everyome buys fakes, even some peabrains manafacture fake shirts with the sponsors name as Liverpool but written in the carlsberg style but i still see plenty of people wearing it

by **metalhead** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:08 pm

peewee wrote:well written lando, however the asian shirt theory may be a little out as everyome buys fakes, even some peabrains manafacture fake shirts with the sponsors name as Liverpool but written in the carlsberg style but i still see plenty of people wearing it

Yeh agreed about fake shirts, even in the middle east we see alot of fake shirts being sold.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:25 am

peewee wrote:well written lando, however the asian shirt theory may be a little out as everyome buys fakes, even some peabrains manafacture fake shirts with the sponsors name as Liverpool but written in the carlsberg style but i still see plenty of people wearing it

Well that's f*cked that then! :angry:

by **Good Bob** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:00 am

peewee wrote:well written lando, however the asian shirt theory may be a little out as everyome buys fakes, even some peabrains manafacture fake shirts with the sponsors name as Liverpool but written in the carlsberg style but i still see plenty of people wearing it

Racism

by **Smeg** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:10 am

has anyone seen Huntelaar play for Ajax? I think hes about 22, and scored 43 GOALS this season, including 33 in 31 league matches. Not gonna go and make assupmtions on him, was hoping someone may have seen him play? That amount of goals suggests he could be a great player now or in the future...

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