Liverpool FC Forum

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:03 pm

MON is still upset France are out of EURO 2008.

He got his punditry off to the worst possible start by whining about Liverpool and not supporting a nation with LFC players.

Alan Hansen should have nutted him.

by **bigmick** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:09 am

redbeergoggles wrote:
Sean wrote:Just goes to show how many people on this forum have blinkered vision which is a shame as Liverpool fans are normally renowned for their football knowledge. Martin O'Neill has been successful with every team he has managed and has turned Villa into a very competitive side on a small budget. As Alonso_14 commented, he was many peoples choice to replace Houllier.

Gareth Barry is his teams leader and hes doing everything he can to keep him, which is what any decent manager would do.

Lets pay the 20 million for Barry give Martin the funds to buy Bentley and Sidwell ,lets put a smile back on that chirpy little Irishmans face , lets even throw in a couple of potato fields and a Spudulike restaurant .
Or the other side of the coin is, we could leave the Leprechaun King in limbo and gleefully withdraw our offer from the table, leaving the wee little man crying profusely.

I notice that you got a bit peeved as nobody had responded to your post Red. I almost responded to a couple of your posts a few weeks back where you got involved in the "who is the better fan" angle because one or two people had dared to voice an opinion that perhaps could be construed as critical of the manager. There were even OOTerish undertones to your points which was a shame.

Since nobody else has responded to this one though, I'll have a go myself.

I personally think that Martin O Neil is a very good football manager. He was hugely successful at Wycombe Wanderers, took Leicester City into Europe via major trophy success in the League Cup, broke Rangers's dominance in the Scottish Premier League and took Celtic to a European final where they were unlucky to lose to Mourinho's Porto, and has made Aston Villa into a top eight team while hardly spending big money. Some people are embarrassed by the fact they have voiced opinions that he would do a decent job as Liverpool manager, I'm not in the least. I've said it before and make no apologies for saying it here, I think he would do an excellent job as manager of Liverpool.

Would he do as good a job as our current manager? Who knows, but he wouldn't I don't think be unduly daunted with the task of making sure he finished fourth three seasons out of four and third the other season. He would I'm absolutely certain be up to getting us out of the Champions League group stages each season, and only he would know whether our FA Cup record which includes defeats against Burnley and Barnsley alongside a win, and our Carling Cup record is unachieveable.

So that's my first point, I think he's a top manager.

Secondly, there seems to be a feeling from yourself and others on the boards that he is behaving like a c... with regards to Barry. Why? If we want to buy him, he quotes a price. We negotiate, but ultimately if we can't come to an agreement we don't buy him. Very simialr to portsmouth offering 9 million for Crouch. Is Rafa behaving like a c... in demanding 15 million for a bloke who has less than year left on his contract? OK bad example but you take my point.

The other bits about the potato fields, Spud-U-Like and the rest are of a similar ilk to your comments of a few weeks back which almost provoked a response. I didn't get involved then and I won't now.

All in all it's quite simple. we want to sign their best player, and he doesn't want to sell. He is doing exactly what we would expect Rafa to do, and unfoirtunately as a direct consequence of the way the negotiations have been conducted, if we do sign Barry we are going to have to pay absolutely top dollar. We do have the option of walking away as you say, but I disagree that this option would leave Aston Villa worse off. Barry doesn't strike me as the sort of bloke to throw his toys out of the pram, he'll get his head down and they'll keep their best player. We might get him cheaper in eighteen months time, but then again like Alves we might not as well. Such is life.

Welcome to the forum by the way.

by **redbeergoggles** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:24 am

woof woof ! wrote:
Lets pay the 20 million for Barry give Martin the funds to buy Bentley and Sidwell ,lets put a smile back on that chirpy little Irishmans face , lets even throw in a couple of potato fields and a Spudulike restaurant .
Or the other side of the coin is, we could leave the Leprechaun King in limbo and gleefully withdraw our offer from the table, leaving the wee little man crying profusely.

Once again ignored, Cheers.
The only viable option for a newbie to collect any response is to be argumentative and confrontational, or be consequently ignored ,I have posted numerous replies to posts and received no acknowledgment from any established posters.

But as soon as I have the audacity to confront a poster about his opinion I am given a lecture by a F***ing Canadian .
This is the death knell for newbies wake up and smell the coffee ,your forum is becoming tiresome and repetitive and our tolerance is on the wane .
The newbies should be welcomed for having different views not slated ,take a good look at your forum its the same posters every day ,no fresh blood .

And all of this because nobody responded to your post ?

What's the story ? not enough hugs at home

Lots of hugs thanks fella ,just angry with the slide this forum is taking .
Just a Scouser who wears his heart on his sleeve no shame in that if it needs saying i will say it.

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:35 am

Lots of hugs thanks fella ,just angry with the slide this forum is taking .
Just a Scouser who wears his heart on his sleeve no shame in that if it needs saying i will say it.

Its not a slide. Its about those who are here regularly. Those who have a daily opinion not just show up now and again. I know, a few times ive posted an opinion and got nothing, then someone else will say what ive said and they get a response ! If you look at me, I have been here 4 years and just an "advanced" member some have been here considerably less than that and posted less and are among the "elite" members. Dont worry about it, if no one replies to your post it doesnt mean its not agreed with, its just that there is no point in constant "I agree" posts as it is taking up pointless space. If you dont get a response think good, people agree with me and if not dont come up with an insult, its the best way to go, either that or just go manhattens way, just dont use his "sources" I hear they are unreliable !

by **redbeergoggles** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:57 am

bigmick wrote:
redbeergoggles wrote:
Sean wrote:Just goes to show how many people on this forum have blinkered vision which is a shame as Liverpool fans are normally renowned for their football knowledge. Martin O'Neill has been successful with every team he has managed and has turned Villa into a very competitive side on a small budget. As Alonso_14 commented, he was many peoples choice to replace Houllier.

Gareth Barry is his teams leader and hes doing everything he can to keep him, which is what any decent manager would do.

Lets pay the 20 million for Barry give Martin the funds to buy Bentley and Sidwell ,lets put a smile back on that chirpy little Irishmans face , lets even throw in a couple of potato fields and a Spudulike restaurant .
Or the other side of the coin is, we could leave the Leprechaun King in limbo and gleefully withdraw our offer from the table, leaving the wee little man crying profusely.

I notice that you got a bit peeved as nobody had responded to your post Red. I almost responded to a couple of your posts a few weeks back where you got involved in the "who is the better fan" angle because one or two people had dared to voice an opinion that perhaps could be construed as critical of the manager. There were even OOTerish undertones to your points which was a shame.

Since nobody else has responded to this one though, I'll have a go myself.

I personally think that Martin O Neil is a very good football manager. He was hugely successful at Wycombe Wanderers, took Leicester City into Europe via major trophy success in the League Cup, broke Rangers's dominance in the Scottish Premier League and took Celtic to a European final where they were unlucky to lose to Mourinho's Porto, and has made Aston Villa into a top eight team while hardly spending big money. Some people are embarrassed by the fact they have voiced opinions that he would do a decent job as Liverpool manager, I'm not in the least. I've said it before and make no apologies for saying it here, I think he would do an excellent job as manager of Liverpool.

Would he do as good a job as our current manager? Who knows, but he wouldn't I don't think be unduly daunted with the task of making sure he finished fourth three seasons out of four and third the other season. He would I'm absolutely certain be up to getting us out of the Champions League group stages each season, and only he would know whether our FA Cup record which includes defeats against Burnley and Barnsley alongside a win, and our Carling Cup record is unachieveable.

So that's my first point, I think he's a top manager.

Secondly, there seems to be a feeling from yourself and others on the boards that he is behaving like a c... with regards to Barry. Why? If we want to buy him, he quotes a price. We negotiate, but ultimately if we can't come to an agreement we don't buy him. Very simialr to portsmouth offering 9 million for Crouch. Is Rafa behaving like a c... in demanding 15 million for a bloke who has less than year left on his contract? OK bad example but you take my point.

The other bits about the potato fields, Spud-U-Like and the rest are of a similar ilk to your comments of a few weeks back which almost provoked a response. I didn't get involved then and I won't now.

All in all it's quite simple. we want to sign their best player, and he doesn't want to sell. He is doing exactly what we would expect Rafa to do, and unfoirtunately as a direct consequence of the way the negotiations have been conducted, if we do sign Barry we are going to have to pay absolutely top dollar. We do have the option of walking away as you say, but I disagree that this option would leave Aston Villa worse off. Barry doesn't strike me as the sort of bloke to throw his toys out of the pram, he'll get his head down and they'll keep their best player. We might get him cheaper in eighteen months time, but then again like Alves we might not as well. Such is life.

Welcome to the forum by the way.

If I offended anyone then I apologize ,it was tinged with humor and sarcasm ,but in no way was it an attack on the Irish race.
My second point is ,It seems to me that some fans are afraid to express the pride they feel in attending games or the fact they are Scousers as they will be branded ooterists by other posters .I was simply refering to the high I get when vocally supporting my team ,and I was slated for it .
My third and final point is ..I consider O'neil a decent manager but the reason Ive come to dislike him is his very public tantrums, and the pettiness of the asides he casts at everthing Liverpool.
Plus the man is clearly to emotional to manage Liverpool with any dignity ,but thats just my opinion Mick "cheers for your post fella "

by **redbeergoggles** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:09 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Lots of hugs thanks fella ,just angry with the slide this forum is taking .
Just a Scouser who wears his heart on his sleeve no shame in that if it needs saying i will say it.

Its not a slide. Its about those who are here regularly. Those who have a daily opinion not just show up now and again. I know, a few times ive posted an opinion and got nothing, then someone else will say what ive said and they get a response ! If you look at me, I have been here 4 years and just an "advanced" member some have been here considerably less than that and posted less and are among the "elite" members. Dont worry about it, if no one replies to your post it doesnt mean its not agreed with, its just that there is no point in constant "I agree" posts as it is taking up pointless space. If you dont get a response think good, people agree with me and if not dont come up with an insult, its the best way to go, either that or just go manhattens way, just dont use his "sources" I hear they are unreliable !

Im here for the banter fella, a good debate with intelligent fans who have valid points to put forward ,whats the point posting and not instigating a response ,but I will take your points onboard

by **skatesy** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:42 am

Wow - Barry really ripped O'Neill apart in this article

Barry: It's time for me to move on

Sun 29 Jun, 08:30 AM

Gareth Barry remains desperate to join Liverpool and has blasted Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill for making no effort to persuade him to stay.The England midfielder has made no secret of his desire for the regular Champions League football on offer at Anfield.

But despite his pleas to the Villa hierarchy to allow him to leave, the Midlanders have remained entrenched and rejected a reported £15million bid from the Reds earlier this month.

Barry told the News of the World: "My mind's made up, I want to join Liverpool.

"There's no going back, it's time for me to move on. I'm desperate to play Champions League football and that's why I have to leave Villa."

O'Neill has been openly critical of Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez over his pursuit of the Villa skipper.

But despite O'Neill's public posturing, a scornful Barry insists nothing has been done to get him to remain at Villa Park.

"Villa kept saying they wanted me to stay but I have not heard from the manager for weeks," he claimed.

"It's seven weeks now since the season finished but while the gaffer's found time to be a pundit for the BBC at Euro 2008, he hasn't found the time to speak to me."

"Have Villa offered me anything to try to persuade me my future is at Villa Park, not Anfield? Not a thing."

by **Ace Ventura** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:51 am

skatesy wrote:Wow - Barry really ripped O'Neill apart in this article

Barry: It's time for me to move on

Sun 29 Jun, 08:30 AM

Gareth Barry remains desperate to join Liverpool and has blasted Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill for making no effort to persuade him to stay.The England midfielder has made no secret of his desire for the regular Champions League football on offer at Anfield.

But despite his pleas to the Villa hierarchy to allow him to leave, the Midlanders have remained entrenched and rejected a reported £15million bid from the Reds earlier this month.

Barry told the News of the World: "My mind's made up, I want to join Liverpool.

"There's no going back, it's time for me to move on. I'm desperate to play Champions League football and that's why I have to leave Villa."

O'Neill has been openly critical of Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez over his pursuit of the Villa skipper.

But despite O'Neill's public posturing, a scornful Barry insists nothing has been done to get him to remain at Villa Park.

"Villa kept saying they wanted me to stay but I have not heard from the manager for weeks," he claimed.

"It's seven weeks now since the season finished but while the gaffer's found time to be a pundit for the BBC at Euro 2008, he hasn't found the time to speak to me."

"Have Villa offered me anything to try to persuade me my future is at Villa Park, not Anfield? Not a thing."

Just seen some of those comments on SSN, to be fair to Barry if O'Neil values his star player and captain at 20 million you would think he would of been in regular contact with him.
Not really proving to him that he is important and wanted by sitting there as a pundit on the tv, i bet the villa fans will be a bit peeved when they read this.
O'Neil at a crucial time of the year is lining his own pockets rather than concentrating on his own club, and the fans that are indirectly paying his wages surely wont be happy when they read these comments.
I only hope that Barrys comments dont make his manager even more determined to keep hold of him, or drive the pricfe up even further.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:51 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Lots of hugs thanks fella ,just angry with the slide this forum is taking .
Just a Scouser who wears his heart on his sleeve no shame in that if it needs saying i will say it.

Its not a slide. Its about those who are here regularly. Those who have a daily opinion not just show up now and again. I know, a few times ive posted an opinion and got nothing, then someone else will say what ive said and they get a response ! If you look at me, I have been here 4 years and just an "advanced" member some have been here considerably less than that and posted less and are among the "elite" members. Dont worry about it, if no one replies to your post it doesnt mean its not agreed with, its just that there is no point in constant "I agree" posts as it is taking up pointless space. If you dont get a response think good, people agree with me and if not dont come up with an insult, its the best way to go, either that or just go manhattens way, just dont use his "sources" I hear they are unreliable !

Good post Kharhaz.

by **ALONSO_14** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:16 am

skatesy wrote:Wow - Barry really ripped O'Neill apart in this article

Barry: It's time for me to move on

Sun 29 Jun, 08:30 AM

Gareth Barry remains desperate to join Liverpool and has blasted Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill for making no effort to persuade him to stay.The England midfielder has made no secret of his desire for the regular Champions League football on offer at Anfield.

But despite his pleas to the Villa hierarchy to allow him to leave, the Midlanders have remained entrenched and rejected a reported £15million bid from the Reds earlier this month.

Barry told the News of the World: "My mind's made up, I want to join Liverpool.

"There's no going back, it's time for me to move on. I'm desperate to play Champions League football and that's why I have to leave Villa."

O'Neill has been openly critical of Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez over his pursuit of the Villa skipper.

But despite O'Neill's public posturing, a scornful Barry insists nothing has been done to get him to remain at Villa Park.

"Villa kept saying they wanted me to stay but I have not heard from the manager for weeks," he claimed.

"It's seven weeks now since the season finished but while the gaffer's found time to be a pundit for the BBC at Euro 2008, he hasn't found the time to speak to me."

"Have Villa offered me anything to try to persuade me my future is at Villa Park, not Anfield? Not a thing."

Eerily reminds me of Gerrards comments a couple of years ago when he decided to leave cos he didnt feel loved lol

Overpriced and i think we can do better, but it looks like he's on his way here

by **JC_81** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:57 pm

Barry needs to do less talking and take more action - ie hand in a transfer request. The cynical amongst us might say it is Barry who is trying to make as much cash as possible out of this by refusing to hand one in.

by **Number 9** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:16 pm

Red beergoggles are you Bill aka GBJH aka greenbynameredbynature??

I certainly think so!! :nod

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:15 pm

Number 9 wrote:Red beergoggles are you Bill aka GBJH aka greenbynameredbynature??

I certainly think so!!

No its deffo not Bill :no

by **The Manhattan Project** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:27 pm

It doesn't matter whether Barry wants to join LFC or not.

We should not be paying anything over 8M for him.

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:48 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:It doesn't matter whether Barry wants to join LFC or not.

We should not be paying anything over 8M for him.

agreed. Personally i'd keep Alonso

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