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john craig wrote:Don't understand all the negativity towards O'Neill here.  He simply wants the best price for his best player and captain.  Admittedly 20 million is too much, but in this case we should just walk away rather than a) pay over the odds or b) get angry with O'Neill who is just doing his job.

As for those putting down his credentials as a manager, it shows a complete lack of knowledge.  He made Leicester into a top 10 Premiership side and look where they are now.  He broke Rangers' dominance in Scotland and got Celtic to the UEFA cup final (deservedly beating us on the way unfortunately).  And now he is doing a good job at Villa without question, just ask any of their fans.

My own reservation with his management is his style of football.  It does tend to be very route one, it certainly was at Celtic and Leicester.  There are signs of that changing at Villa, but theres no question he likes to play with an out and out target man with quick players around him.  Back when he was linked with LFC after Houllier, I wasn't completely against it but not entirely for it either and that's why.  I thought he'd probably win trophies but our football would be no better to watch than it was under Houllier.

But apart from all those facts, lets just call him a leprachaun and make reference to potato fields, it makes much better reading for some of the morons on this forum.

Fair points John!
I would'nt worry about the Leprauchan remarks though..everyone knows there are none of those this side of the border!
I've said similar things about O'Neill earlier in the thread.

Good pundit? No
Strange dude? Yes
Good manager? yes
Bit of a ? yes

As for his conduct in the transfer.I would not expect any manager just to roll over and let their captain just leave!Too many have done in the past and appeared spineless!
As for the valuation of £20 m,its a bit too steep.But i would expect the same off Rafa if heaven forbid the same scenario came our way with Gerrard.If he was ever sure to leave i would expect Rafa to fight to keep him to the end and screw every possible penny from whoever took him from us!

Scottbot wrote:Nail on head mate. So many posters seem to think he should simply agree with their own valuation of Barry and hand him over + have lowered their opinions of him as a manager because he hasn't done this. Don't understand it myself. Fair-play to him for digging his heels in, if anything he's gone up in my estimation. The big four clubs don't behave particularly well when it comes to getting the players they want from smaller clubs and we are no different.

As for the BBC coverage, I've avoided it this year as the four of them (Lineker, Hansen, Shearer and O'neil) suck the life out of a game if it is anything other than awesome. They can make a bad game seem like the worst game in history!

However, I won't let a few comments on the BBC get in the way of the fact that Martin O'neil is a very good manager with an excellent record.

Definitely.  Your point about Premiership clubs not behaving well in trying to get players from smaller clubs is correct.  The gulf is widening between the top four and the rest.  The players know it and they know they will not win a major trophy (Premiership or CL) with a Premiership team outside the top 4.  That's why the mere mention of a top 4 club being interested in a player can unsettle them and lead to a transfer.  Villa fans and O'Neill were within their rights to be up in arms about the way Benitez went about trying to close this deal, he went public way too early.  As a result we will probably end up paying more for Barry than if we had kept it quieter. 

I believe that Villa have enough respect for the service Barry has given that they'd have let him go for less if we'd gone about it the right way.  Another factor is the completely over-the-top price that we were asking them to pay for Carson.  Now quite rightly Villa have said ' you Liverpool' and will dig their heels in.

john craig wrote:Don't understand all the negativity towards O'Neill here.  He simply wants the best price for his best player and captain.  Admittedly 20 million is too much, but in this case we should just walk away rather than a) pay over the odds or b) get angry with O'Neill who is just doing his job.

As for those putting down his credentials as a manager, it shows a complete lack of knowledge.  He made Leicester into a top 10 Premiership side and look where they are now.  He broke Rangers' dominance in Scotland and got Celtic to the UEFA cup final (deservedly beating us on the way unfortunately).  And now he is doing a good job at Villa without question, just ask any of their fans.

My own reservation with his management is his style of football.  It does tend to be very route one, it certainly was at Celtic and Leicester.  There are signs of that changing at Villa, but theres no question he likes to play with an out and out target man with quick players around him.  Back when he was linked with LFC after Houllier, I wasn't completely against it but not entirely for it either and that's why.  I thought he'd probably win trophies but our football would be no better to watch than it was under Houllier.

But apart from all those facts, lets just call him a leprachaun and make reference to potato fields, it makes much better reading for some of the morons on this forum.

John, not sure who is questioning his management credentials mate.

I am just pointing out he makes me cringe with his he spouts as a pundit, he seems to be unravelling since the spat with us over Barry.
Yes he is within his rights to ask for whatever money he feels but if you have seen him since on the bbc he has been acting like a kid, when someone said something about Torres being subbed last week he came out with an idiotic an petulant response.

And he argued about Domenech, saying he was unlucky, when he has been a joke of a manager with Hansen and co, made me cringe he was speaking that much sh!te !

Ace Ventura wrote:

john craig wrote:Don't understand all the negativity towards O'Neill here.  He simply wants the best price for his best player and captain.  Admittedly 20 million is too much, but in this case we should just walk away rather than a) pay over the odds or b) get angry with O'Neill who is just doing his job.

As for those putting down his credentials as a manager, it shows a complete lack of knowledge.  He made Leicester into a top 10 Premiership side and look where they are now.  He broke Rangers' dominance in Scotland and got Celtic to the UEFA cup final (deservedly beating us on the way unfortunately).  And now he is doing a good job at Villa without question, just ask any of their fans.

My own reservation with his management is his style of football.  It does tend to be very route one, it certainly was at Celtic and Leicester.  There are signs of that changing at Villa, but theres no question he likes to play with an out and out target man with quick players around him.  Back when he was linked with LFC after Houllier, I wasn't completely against it but not entirely for it either and that's why.  I thought he'd probably win trophies but our football would be no better to watch than it was under Houllier.

But apart from all those facts, lets just call him a leprachaun and make reference to potato fields, it makes much better reading for some of the morons on this forum.

John, not sure who is questioning his management credentials mate.

I am just pointing out he makes me cringe with his he spouts as a pundit, he seems to be unravelling since the spat with us over Barry.
Yes he is within his rights to ask for whatever money he feels but if you have seen him since on the bbc he has been acting like a kid, when someone said something about Torres being subbed last week he came out with an idiotic an petulant response.

And he argued about Domenech, saying he was unlucky, when he has been a joke of a manager with Hansen and co, made me cringe he was speaking that much sh!te !

Sean wrote:As Alonso_14 commented, he was many peoples choice to replace Houllier.

The Manhattan Project wrote:GOAL!!!!!

InterToto Cup


Aston Villa 1 CSKA Mount Etna 0


Barry, 24 mins.

, did the crowd erupt ?

The Manhattan Project wrote:GOAL!!!!!

InterToto Cup


Aston Villa 1 CSKA Mount Etna 0


Barry, 24 mins.

 
Crazy Dude!

woof woof ! wrote:

The Manhattan Project wrote:GOAL!!!!!

InterToto Cup


Aston Villa 1 CSKA Mount Etna 0


Barry, 24 mins.

, did the crowd erupt ?

john craig wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

john craig wrote:Don't understand all the negativity towards O'Neill here.  He simply wants the best price for his best player and captain.  Admittedly 20 million is too much, but in this case we should just walk away rather than a) pay over the odds or b) get angry with O'Neill who is just doing his job.

As for those putting down his credentials as a manager, it shows a complete lack of knowledge.  He made Leicester into a top 10 Premiership side and look where they are now.  He broke Rangers' dominance in Scotland and got Celtic to the UEFA cup final (deservedly beating us on the way unfortunately).  And now he is doing a good job at Villa without question, just ask any of their fans.

My own reservation with his management is his style of football.  It does tend to be very route one, it certainly was at Celtic and Leicester.  There are signs of that changing at Villa, but theres no question he likes to play with an out and out target man with quick players around him.  Back when he was linked with LFC after Houllier, I wasn't completely against it but not entirely for it either and that's why.  I thought he'd probably win trophies but our football would be no better to watch than it was under Houllier.

But apart from all those facts, lets just call him a leprachaun and make reference to potato fields, it makes much better reading for some of the morons on this forum.

John, not sure who is questioning his management credentials mate.

I am just pointing out he makes me cringe with his he spouts as a pundit, he seems to be unravelling since the spat with us over Barry.
Yes he is within his rights to ask for whatever money he feels but if you have seen him since on the bbc he has been acting like a kid, when someone said something about Torres being subbed last week he came out with an idiotic an petulant response.

And he argued about Domenech, saying he was unlucky, when he has been a joke of a manager with Hansen and co, made me cringe he was speaking that much sh!te !

Comments weren't aimed at you mate if thats what you thought.

As for his comments as a pundit, I am just back today having watched the whole tournament on Spanish tv in Mexico so I've seen none of O'Neill.  Having seen him in previous tournaments though, his comments can be described as eccentric at best!

Ace Ventura wrote:Fair play to ye, would of rather watched it in Mexico meself mate.
Hope the holiday was a good one.

Re - O'Neils punditry, its not just eccentric lately he seems to have proper spat his dummy out and acted like a big kid.
Thats fair enough i can see why he would be bothered, but it seems to have effected him in other ways, he has been making daft comments that have made him seem like he is losing the plot.