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this whole thing - Suarez, Terry and now Rio is really starting to show the hypocrisy and double standards in this racism in football malarky. There's no one principle here and its getting bent and buckled to suit, its just one big f*cking farce now and everything that was being said to defend our Luis seems to be bearing significant fruit

http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/14239626/fa-pressure-act-terry/

FA under pressure to act against Terry

LONDON (AFP) - Football Association chiefs have been urged to follow the precedent set by the Luis Suarez case and take action against Chelsea captain John Terry for using racially offensive language.

England defender Terry was found not guilty of racially abusing rival player Anton Ferdinand at the end of a five-day trial at Westminster Magistrates Court in London on Friday.

During the trial, Terry admitted using the controversial words to Ferdinand during a match between Chelsea and Queens Park Rangers on October 23 last year.

He was acquitted by chief magistrate Howard Riddle on the grounds there was reasonable doubt over whether Terry intended to be abusive. Terry himself maintained he'd used the words only in the form of a question.

Suarez, Liverpool's Uruguay forward, was banned for eight matches for using the Spanish word 'negrito' (little black) in a clash with Manchester United defender Patrice Evra last season.

The FA disciplinary commission in the Suarez case ruled he had broken rule E3 (1) of the FA's rule book simply by using racially offensive language and that any intention on the striker's part was no defence.

A commission including leading lawyer Paul Goulding said in its written verdict: "In our judgment, the test for breach of Rule E3 (1) is objective.

"The question is simply whether the words or behaviour are abusive or insulting...It is not necessary the alleged offender intends his words or behaviour to be abusive or insulting in order to breach Rule E3 (1).

Anti-racism campaigner Lord Herman Ouseley urged both the FA and English clubs to step up their efforts in combating offensive language.

"I think if clubs themselves are taking a lead about what standard of behaviour and conduct they expect and what they won't put up with, and if the football regulatory authority, which is the Football Association, does likewise in the way that it carries out its responsibilities with regards to conduct then I think we can transform the game."

Meanwhile, Rio Ferdinand, Anton's brother, defended his response to a Twitter post which referred to Ashley Cole as a "choc ice".

England full-back Cole gave evidence on behalf of Chelsea team-mate Terry and that prompted a Twitter user to write: "Looks like Ashley Cole's going to be their choc ice. Then again he's always been a sell out. Shame on him."

Ferdinand replied: "I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic! hahahahahahha!!"

'Choc ice' can mean black on the outside, white on the inside and is a derogatory way of referring to people believed to have betrayed their ethnicity.

However, Ferdinand, himself a Manchester United and England defender who often played alongside Terry at international level, said Sunday: "What I said yesterday is not a racist term. Its a type of slang/term used by many for someone who is being fake. So there."

Terry was stripped of the England captaincy in February over the allegations. As a consequence, Fabio Capello resigned as England manager, just months before England, defender Terry included, competed in the 2012 European Championships.

Rio Ferdinand was, controversially, left out of England's squad for the tournament, a decision manager Roy Hodgson insisted had been taken for "purely football" reasons.

bet both get a 3 game ban.

Yeah, Anton deserves a ban for being racially abused!

Absolute joke./ Just proves that you can be racist, as long as you say you are just repeating what someone else said. Doesn't even matter if millions see what happens.

What a lovely world we live in. I'm so proud to be part of this awesome country.

dawson99 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:12 pm wrote:Yeah, Anton deserves a ban for being racially abused!

Absolute joke./ Just proves that you can be racist, as long as you say you are just repeating what someone else said. Doesn't even matter if millions see what happens.

What a lovely world we live in. I'm so proud to be part of this awesome country.

Its actually quite sickening that he has got off with this.

He has admitted he said it but gave a pathetic excuse for why he said it.
Almost as bad as the excuses he made about the knee in the back of Alexis Sanchez in the barca game.

He is a horrible horrible person and if the FA dont jump all over him for what he said then it will show up this lets kick racism out of football to be a token gesture by most involved.

Boxscarf » Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:53 pm wrote:I like the way Rio Ferdinand can make a racial insulting comment on Twitter about Ashley Cole being a choc ice and nothing is done about it. It seems racism is only racism when a non-black person is doing it and when a black person is being racist, it's just "friendly banter".

Ironically, this is Uruguay's best selling choc ice.

What we will end up seeing is Terry not given a ban and the FA stating that they wrongfully suspended and fined Suarez.

The Good Yank » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:30 pm wrote:What we will end up seeing is Terry not given a ban and the FA stating that they wrongfully suspended and fined Suarez.

I think what we will see is the first part of your post but i dont think they will say they were wrong about Suarez.

The Good Yank » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:30 pm wrote:What we will end up seeing is Terry not given a ban and the FA stating that they wrongfully suspended and fined Suarez.

The FA will never admit they're wrong. They're still deluding themselves that Roy Hodgson is the right man for the England job.

So what's the latest on the FA and John Terry? or has it been swept under the carpet?

While trying to answer my own question, I happened across this article:

http://whatculture.com/sport/racism-in-football-why-john-terry-case-sums-up-a-nation-in-denial.php

In full:

On 15th October 2011, Liverpool and Manchester United completed a frenetic, hot-tempered draw at Anfield. Hours later, Liverpool’s Uruguayan striker, Luis Suarez, was accused of using racist language towards United’s Patrice Evra during the match, where the two had been involved in various duals throughout the 90 minutes.

Little over a month later, Suarez was charged by the FA for racist conduct. In December his punishment of a £40,000 fine (which is, let’s face it, pittance for a Premier League footballer) and an eight match ban was issued.

Quite simply there was no getting away from it. Stories, columns, opinions, blogs all swept in to condemn or defend the Liverpool star. Newspapers ran headlines such as “RACIST”, English journalists publicly condemning Suarez and his alleged behaviour, whilst everyone involved with Liverpool responded with nothing but staunch defence of their striker.

This was the news, day in day out. Everybody knew the hearing dates, everyone had an opinion, everyone knew the statements from both parties, and there wasn’t a single person in football, outside of Liverpool, who doubted the Uruguayan was guilty.

John Terry’s trial started yesterday.

As someone who makes it his business to be up to date in all the goings-on of the football world, I was shocked when, on the 8th July, the day before Terry’s trial, talk of the Englishman’s hearing quietly broke out on Twitter. Football fans and journalists appeared just as taken aback as I that the hearing for Chelsea’s captain was as close as it was.

In fact, the mainstream English media had strangely failed to bring it to light.

John Terry was accused of hurling racist abuse at QPR defender Anton Ferdinand in Chelsea’s game at Loftus Road on October 23rd. This week, Terry took to the stand to defend himself against the accusations.

On the BBC sports website, the story of Terry’s hearing remained the main article for all of an hour, before it was announced that Manchester City’s manager, who won the league last season, had a new contract at the club. But let’s rewind shall we? Because this isn’t the first instance of the English Media or anyone else attempting to hush up the story of the beloved, lionhearted captain’s “slip of the tongue”.

Despite the fact that Terry’s incident only took place 8 days after Luis Suarez’s, the Englishman did not need to face up to his charge in 2011. In fact, the hearing was postponed until the end of the Euro’s, so Terry could go and represent his country in some football matches, which clearly takes priority over a criminal charge.

In the weeks leading up to the tournament in Poland/Ukraine, the English Media ran several stories on the racist overtones in the host nations. People were in outcry as they watched Panorama, taking to social networking sites in horror at what they had seen. How could a country with an undercurrent of racism host an international football tournament?

Never mind that the flag bearer for our nation’s football team was due to face a criminal charge for racist abuse when he returned from the Euro’s. Never mind that we consistently see black players abused by crowd members in our own country and that in the last season there have been two high profile, top league players accused of being racist towards another player.

On Suarez’s return from his ban, he was criticised for every possible misstep in matches, and despite his obvious talent, the English media firmly strayed from praising him.

John Terry was in the majority of English journalist’s team of the tournament for Euro 2012. Each performance was greeted with a barrage of praise at Terry’s power, his leadership, his bravery, his heart. Weeks after a TV channel aired a program exposing the racist activity in Poland and Ukraine, the same channel used John Terry, a man charged with racist abuse, as the figurehead for an emotional montage promoting England’s matches.

The fact is, whether John Terry is guilty of racism or not, he should not be representing our country in football until the matter is resolved. He should not have been at Euro 2012, unless the hearing had taken place before and he had been found innocent.

With the severity of Luis Suarez’s punishment, the FA showed that stopping racism was important to them. With the delay of John Terry’s hearing, they showed that winning Euro 2012 was more important.

Fast forward to today, and the media have been nothing short of embarrassing. The lack of mainstream coverage of the John Terry trial smacks of this horrible sickness that has enveloped this country. We’re not racist, you are.

Where Suarez was charged quickly, despite their being no witnesses and no evidence, Terry is yet to receive a charge nearly 8 months after the incident, which can be seen clearly on Youtube.

It’s like a mutated form of patriotism, an ignorance that has infested itself in football.

We’re perfectly happy to condemn racism, but if it’s one of our own, or could damage our reputation as a nation in any way, we try and brush it under the carpet as much as we can. It’s a mind-set that is indefensible, no matter how good a football player someone is.

And at the end of the day, it stands, pumping its chest on our television sets, setting an example for our nation.

When will we wake up?

Kharhaz » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:54 am wrote:So what's the latest on the FA and John Terry? or has it been swept under the carpet?

it was reported last week that the fa were going to decide on it this week but yet still no confirmation on it.
already there is a difference in the case as bernstein will pass it on to their governance team who is headed by yer one that conducted the interview with him 5 days after the original incident,jenni kennedy is her name and that was the interview that was played to the court in his defence .
she's more likely to give him a blow job than a ban!!

he's been charged with "abusive language and behaviour" not "racist language".

he'll get a 4 game ban maximum.

stmichael » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:08 pm wrote:he's been charged with "abusive language and behaviour" not "racist language".

he'll get a 4 game ban maximum.

Been charged with the same charge they level at suarez

John Terry charged

Friday, 27 July, 2012

After seeking advice from an external Independent QC, and having considered the evidence and Magistrates' Court decision in the John Terry case, The FA has today charged the Chelsea player following an alleged incident that occurred during the Queens Park Rangers versus Chelsea fixture at Loftus Road on 23 October 2011.

It is alleged that Terry used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Queens Park Rangers’ Anton Ferdinand, contrary to FA rules.

It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Anton Ferdinand.

This charge is the result of The FA’s long-standing enquiries into this matter, which were placed on hold pending the outcome of the criminal trial, and relates to rules governing football only.

During this period John Terry remains available to play for England.

Terry has until 3 August 2012 to respond.

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsAndFeatu ... arged.aspx

The Guardian taking hypocrisy to new levels .