Liverpool FC Forum

anti-hero wrote:well i'm all for letting it go. it surprises me even as i type this.   but can we really let him go at this point?  i mean, nevermind the fact that all the newspapers have pointed out already, that it would cost ALOT of money to reorganize the bootroom and all the other staff midseason, but wouldnt we be sulking too if a new manager came in this instant and the results were the same, or poorer? and who would we attract this late into the season?

i dont think the lot of managers that are currently without a club these days would make the grade at anfield, let alone a top draw manager that is probably managing another top club still in the chase for silverware. its harder to come to terms with it, but i think WE WILL be staying with Rafa AT LEAST till the end of this season. so hang on to your horsies.

it would probably be more beneficial to us anyways, less confusion in an already dejected and out of sorts dressing room. imagine midseason, if rafa goes and takes his contingent of spanish coaches with him. and in comes some italian (i say italian because our next manager would most likely be an import   just being honest no? maybe mourinho?) and a bunch of other mustachioed mario looking plumbers, and we have torres and carra and gerrard looking at each other trying to understand what he's trying to say.

but at the same time we all want him to leave because we want CHANGE. we've hoped and hoped. can we hope some more though? because that's the only thing i think we have right now. hope. that somewhere in that 'tactical footballing brain' is a plan to at least, make us look respectable.

Ciggy wrote:To many players not good enough for our starting 11 that are playing week in week out, terrible tactics, no plan B, hoof & hope, our midfield is cr@p, we need to play two wingers instead of Kuyt. And last but not least Rafa has lost the players either that or they do not want to play for this football club anymore.

Other than that
Were doing ok..?

Ciggy wrote:To many players not good enough for our starting 11 that are playing week in week out, terrible tactics, no plan B, hoof & hope, our midfield is cr@p, we need to play two wingers instead of Kuyt. And last but not least Rafa has lost the players either that or they do not want to play for this football club anymore.

stmichael wrote:i just don't get why the players have gone backwards and lost all confidence so quickly. these are the same players who were playing out of their skins last season. we made unbelievable progress and were destroying teams. the players just don't look bothered for some reason.

Ciggy wrote:There is a big gaping hole in our team, is this hole Alonso? I dont know,  because we beat teams last season without him so its hard to say really.

And its hard to say where this big gaping hole is, because from defence to midfield to attack everything is disjointed, there seems something seriously wrong, I dont even think playing a few kids will even change it as the spine of the team has lost the plot big time.

stmichael wrote:

Ciggy wrote:There is a big gaping hole in our team, is this hole Alonso? I dont know,  because we beat teams last season without him so its hard to say really.

And its hard to say where this big gaping hole is, because from defence to midfield to attack everything is disjointed, there seems something seriously wrong, I dont even think playing a few kids will even change it as the spine of the team has lost the plot big time.

it doesn't help when carra hoofs the ball aimlessly long all the time, even when we had babel and ngog upfront who haven't headed a ball in their lives. aquilani was showing for the ball at times but was getting completely bypassed.

Carra was terrible for hoofing, 

stmichael wrote:i just don't get why the players have gone backwards and lost all confidence so quickly. these are the same players who were playing out of their skins last season. we made unbelievable progress and were destroying teams. the players just don't look bothered for some reason.

This is what has been bugging me too....the same players have gone from championship contenders to the biggest bunch of losers over the summer. That has to be the main reason and I can't believe that Rafa is solely to blame here.

I just try and liken it to a normal workplace. When the company and/or management is in disarray, people lose faith, interest, commitment, not matter how much or little they earn. They show up, go through the motions and wait for death, or something to change. I think it is simply that.

The club is in disarray and the financial uncertainty is huge. Players have seen controversial sales and rumours of sales in the last couple of years (Keane, Alonse, Masch to name a few), they have seen the money go out of the squad and elsewhere, they have seen a total war between Rafa and Parry at least, then there's the backroom reshuffles, the youth academy and not to mention all the media that they have to deal with.

I know it is easy to say that they earn a bundle and should be getting on with it, but they are also human and I am pretty sure that every person on this board would have had a gutsful of the whole saga as well.....never mind how much you stand to earn, or love football....in fact, that's a point, probably most of em don't even have to worry about the coin coming in again, so why be arsed with it. Couple that with people who grow up with the dream of playing for a team like Liverpool in the 70's and 80's and they get this dross instead. It's no surprise.

In normal circumstances, it would be fair to say that a new manager would allow a chance to draw a line under the previous saga and move forwards. This is indeed what happened with Man City.

I don't believe that any line will be drawn with a change in regime, the same remains. The only difference being that the 1 person who seemingly has been fighting tooth and nail for the tradition and values of the club, who has the most knowledge and experience of dealing with the mess we are in will be gone and we'll have some lackey as a replacement who will jump through the hoops he is being shown.

For this reason alone (as I am having a hard time justifying anything else with the current results) I stick with Rafa. We could seriously end up de-stabilising ourselves further and I think it is a case of better the devil you know.

The club needs to sort it's own Sh1t out first and not use the manager as scapegoat, no matter how bad it gets. The time for unity is now.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Gerrard30391 wrote:What a pile of wanck! Get the fat spanish bar stewart out by this time tomorrow!

No excuses what so ever!

Go and kill yourself, you f*cking snake. Take the rest of your lot with you, you disrespectful little b*stard.

None of you c*nts are fit to follow this club.

BTW - bob - get your f*cking cards ready - wouldn't want anyone to stick up for the boss, now, would we?

God forbid if anyone on here has an opinion that differ's from the likes of you eh?....or anyone who is not on the "pro-Rafa" bandwagon with it's wheels falling off!.......In Rafa We RUST!.