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s@int wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:That article does nothing but reinforce what I've been saying for a few years now.

An its what some of us have been sayin Ste, but the problem is mate , a lot of fans think by getting rid of Rafa , the club will be ok. It wont until these two go, Hopefully now the ones that have sat on the fence regarding thses two and the state theve got us in will open there eyes, I got told last season by someone next to me at the match, consentrate on the team , off the pitch will sort itsself out, No it wont, its gonna get worse and im terrified of the outcome,

If Rafa hadn't fecked up our season, NONE of this would have arrisen. We would have got money from the CL, the players would be dreaming of glory rather than playing for Man City, and our delightful owners would be like pigs in muck with the extra revenue.

Blame the owners, but don't forget the part that Rafa has played either. No proper preparation pre-season, buying injured players, spending almost half our money on a full back when we had other more important positions to fill.

Still its much easier and much more popular to just blame the owners .....so lets just do that.

Erm, are you forgetting the persuit of Tevez? Are you forgetting the chase of Turner? Did you completely miss the Barry saga?

Who's fault was it that they didn't sign? Rafa's? F*ck off. It was the owner's refusals to stump up the cash, and only a tool would even dream of thinking otherwise.

"Rafa fecked up our season" - how? You're so blinded by your hate of the man you're talking jibberish. It's not on - stop lying, stop spreading your anti-Rafa propaganda and stop "supporting" this club.

muzza798 wrote:I dont think it would be a disaster selling Torres and Gerrard. Yh, aset back but with the 100-150 mil we'd have we could get about 6 or 7 really really good players which would give us depth. Ok maybe we wouldnt have Torres but we'd have 3 very good strikers and instead of Gerrard we'd prob have Mata + 2 or 3 other attacking players and maybe a good 10 mil defender.

s@int wrote:

bavlondon wrote:Just to touch on the fullback part who else could he have gone for? Arby was dead set on going anyway so he forced Rafa to go out and get someone quick. We don't have any other options there aside from Degen.

Maybe if we hadn't wasted £7million on a left back in Dossena we could have got a half decent right back instead?

I think we could have snatched Richards last season for around £7million..... obviously money is the least of Citeh's concerns now.

This is what annoys me though Bav, there must be plenty of talent in the lower divisions that doesn't even get looked at anymore. Maybe for once we could have picked up a bargain rather than paying top dollar or buying foreign.

And who's fault is it that our only alternative was an injury prone Degen ?

Be quiet, you silly person. Everyone's an expert after the event, aren't they?

If Ferguson hadn't p*ssed £28.1m on Veron, maybe they'd have won more titles...

If Moris hadn't spunked £30m on Shevchenko, maybe Chelsea would have won the title that year...

If Arsene Wenger hadn't a*sed about with kids, maybe they'd have won something in the past 5 years...

If Richards hadn't flopped over the last 2 seasons, maybe Rafa may have signed him...

If you had a brain, maybe you'd stop posting drivvel...


Maybe not, though, eh?

bigmick wrote:Once again there is an issue of ambition with "believers". To be totally honest, where Spurs finish should be completely irrelevent to Liverpool fans, it is only an issue this season that through chronic mismanagement of the club (by both the owners and the manager) we find ourselves below them. I am merely using the example of Spurs to illustrate that in order to improve football teams, you have to buy players who are better than the ones you already have, and mould them into a better team.

Although at this juncture it would be very nice to finsih above Spurs, it's whether or not we were going to finish ahead of manchester United now they didn't have Ronaldo or Tevez anymore, or whether or not we could finish above Arsenal again, now they didn't have Kolo Toure or Emanuel Adebayor anymore, or whether or not we could finish ahead of Chelsea like we did last season which was more my concern at the campaigns outset.

The fact that I now can't decide whether Birmingham drawing with Manchester United was a good result for us or not says it all really. On the one hand it dents Man U's attempts to incredibly win the league even thoguh they are no better than an average team, on the other the point Birmingham gained will make it harder for us to finish above them. How goalposts move.

aCe' wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Well lets see where spurs end up this season - no doubt i can put my hat on it that they will finish below us once again - so for all their good buys they still arent good enough .

If Tottenham had Gerrard in their side, they'd be major contenders and would probably be much closer to the top than we are..

Lando_Griffin wrote:Tell me, genius: What has Rafa done wrong this season?

I'm desperate to know...

bigmick wrote:Benny you ought to consider calming down during debates on football. You seem to be on the verge of losing it all the time.

As far as Spurs are concerned, this time last season Redknapp was trying to pick the team off the bottom of the league (well he'd already done it to be exact but you get my point) whereas we were challenging for the title. Since then, they've fairly obviously improved and we've fairly obviously gone backwards. Now there are no doubt many reasons for that, and I've equally no doubt it would suit many people on here if we could say "it's the owners, innit?", but my suspicion is that the fact they have bought players who were better then the ones they already had and moulded them into a better team is probably the chief reason.

It may console you that "Arsenal haven't won anything for ages either" or "but we'll finish above Spurs", but I have higher ambitions than that, at least in the longer term.

bigmick wrote:I can only speak for myself when I say it is this type of nonsense which bores me to distraction.

Are you serious?  After the tripe you type day in, day out? The same old chud repeated every single hour of every single day, interspersed with dismissive arrogance?



Brilliant.

aCe' wrote:Well this isnt something i cant argue quite simply because i have no idea

bigmick wrote:Why would you want anyone to do that though Lando? Given that we have spent more both gross and net on players since Rafa arrived at Liverpool than Man Utd have, Surely the comparison wouldn't be favourable to our manager Even since last season when we were four points behind them in second, they lost Christiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez and replaced them Michael Owen and Antonio Valencia at a net gain of 62 million pounds. We lost Alvarro Arbeloa and Xabi Alonso, replacing them with Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani, making a net slightly worse than break even. Reasonable to assume then that we'd be closer to them than we currently are? I think so, no?

bigmick wrote:I don't think you are desperate to know Lando, but in my opinion there have been a few errors of judgement by the manager. Firstly, I think before the season started our pre season campaign didn't prepare the team correctly and I don't think we've ever really recovered. I think it was a mistake to not sign credible striker cover before the season started, and I think the hugest error which has had the most effect was thinking that Lucas and Masherano would be ample as a central midfield pairing while Aquilani recovered. I think the signing of Aquilani was misguided, and I think a perfectionist such as Rafa would be hugely disappointed that each and every time we defend a set piece we are a shambles. I don't know precisely what he has done in terms of bonding, team building, motivation and the rest but it has clearly not been a success because far too often we have lain down and died in games, showing a complete lack of fight.

Other than that, he has been bang on the money.