Ciggy wrote:Robbie Keane should never have signed for LFC maybe when he was a lot younger but I knew it would all end in tears along with Bellamy and Pennant 3 players that should never have played for us.
Snake wrote:Ciggy wrote:The same goes for signing dross like Voronin and the likes they should not be anywhere near Liverpool football club.
Wasn't Voronin free? If he was, it was a no lose situation
NANNY RED wrote:Feckin Hell Cigg weve you been
Ciggy wrote:Theres just some players that you know that it wont work out if you know what I mean, Bellamy didnt leave because he was cr@p he had to go because of hitting Riise and where Bellamy goes trouble follows him. It was the same with Pennant drink driving fighting in nightclubs etc.
But with Keane he came to late if he would have come here when he was about 22/23 he probably would have been excellent for us but it was a big mistake by Rafa signing him, it was a doomed failure before he even got here it really was a baffeling singing.
The same goes for signing dross like Voronin and the likes they should not be anywhere near Liverpool football club.
tonyeh wrote:Ciggy wrote:Theres just some players that you know that it wont work out if you know what I mean, Bellamy didnt leave because he was cr@p he had to go because of hitting Riise and where Bellamy goes trouble follows him. It was the same with Pennant drink driving fighting in nightclubs etc.
But with Keane he came to late if he would have come here when he was about 22/23 he probably would have been excellent for us but it was a big mistake by Rafa signing him, it was a doomed failure before he even got here it really was a baffeling singing.
The same goes for signing dross like Voronin and the likes they should not be anywhere near Liverpool football club.
Ah, but was it the player, or the system Cigs?
To me, the answer is simple. It was the system. Benitez has hamstrung Liverpool with his incredible inflexiblity. His refusal to move away from obviously limiting factors make it difficult for players to come to Liverpool. He insists on trying to beat square pegs into round holes and when they don't fit into those square holes, he loses interest.
As I said before in this thread, it's going to be EXTREMELY difficult to find a striker to fit into the way Benitez wants this team to play, no matter who they are.
Frankly, I think they players have given up on the manager. I think they're utterly fed up with Benitez and his bizarre ways and it's showing in the way they are marking time on the pitch at the moment.
BTW, I'm in full agreemnent re: Belamy and Pennant. Two W*nkers, to be sure. Bound to cause unrest where ever they are.
Ah, but was it the player, or the system Cigs?
Sabre wrote:It's all nice if you think 3 years without silverware is not good enough for Liverpool and we need another manager. I also respect that.
It's all nice you dislike Rafa. I respect that aswell.
But lad, I wouldn't want you go meeting someone who knows his football out there and tell him Rafa's system is appalingly limited. There are many schools of coaches in Spain depending on the regions, and different approaches, but if anything is Rafa appreciated for, it's for his tactics.
His defensive system and automatisations are respected even by his detractors. Even a player who was píssed off by Rafa's approach to man management such as Alonso, says that their current team have a lot to do to work as a team, as Liverpool used to do.
So let's bury his "appalingy limited system" bóllocks. If you get 7 spots on for that, that's 8 of you wrong about that. The appalingly limited system team managed to score more goals than the other teams in the league last season.
Also, don't even dare to say outside newkit that even Torres has been marginalised by this manager. As that precise player owes everything in his career to Rafa. He's not discussed in the Spanish team. He used to be. He's a world class player now, he wasn't one before. He has multiplied his value twice at least. Don't let your dislike to the manager defend that kind of absurd thoughts. There's no need: Rafa has enough problems and criticism to make, you don't have to use that kind of bóllocks.
A 4-5-1 doesn't have to be appallingly limited nor defensive. Spain won the Euro final and semifinals with a 4-5-1, and the semifinals with many goals. Of course it's not the same thing to have a Torres upfront or a Keane, nor to have a Xavi giving the last pass or a Kuyt.
That's how with a 4-5-1 you can go and play the world cup, or you can watch it in TV another year. It depends on quality.
That's why Torres will remain in a top club (for sure) or go to another top club, and Keane has ended up in Celtic. There's nothing more than that.
It's all nice you think another manager would do better for Liverpool. I respect that.
It's all nice if you think 3 years without silverware is not good enough for Liverpool and we need another manager. I also respect that.
It's all nice you dislike Rafa. I respect that aswell.
But lad, I wouldn't want you go meeting someone who knows his football out there and tell him Rafa's system is appalingly limited. There are many schools of coaches in Spain depending on the regions, and different approaches, but if anything is Rafa appreciated for, it's for his tactics.
Also, don't even dare to say outside newkit that even Torres has been marginalised by this manager.
LFC2007 wrote:So if his tactics, his selection policy, and his man-management are so limited, baffling and appalling and if his purchases have been so poor, how did we manage to accrue 86 points last season?
Regarding Keane again, he only played 7 games as a lone striker and that was largely because Torres was injured. But for that fact they would almost certainly have played together more often. He made 16 other starts, mostly alonsgide Torres, but also Kuyt, in which he was largely woeful. We then sold him, persisted with Torres up top on his own and went on to play some of our best football of the past decade, particularly in the final third of the season.
So if his tactics, his selection policy, and his man-management are so limited, baffling and appalling and if his purchases have been so poor, how did we manage to accrue 86 points last season?
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