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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:08 pm

bigmick wrote:You want someone who has proven they can handle both star players and players who are relatively unknown. You want someone who has proven they can be successful both at home and in Europe without spending bucketloads of money, but someone who when he does get to buy big, generally buys well. You want someone who will instantly command the respect of the players, and has the man-management capabilities to get the players to run through brick walls for him. You want a manager who has a history of winning titles very quickly for clubs which he takes over, if he has a history of winning the title in each of his first two seasons all the better.

You want someone who when the players hear he has joined, far from looking to "follow Rafa out the door" are ringing up their egents and telling them to negotiate a longer contract. You want someone who has a history in the Premiership, who understands it and know what it takes to win, win and win again. If he's available, anybody who wants whats best for Liverpool Football Club wants the best manager for it. That being the case, as we all know, there is only one candidate.

If we can't get him, then let the search through all the rest begin.

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Postby aCe' » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:17 pm

No way Jose....
Im backing Rafa at-least until Christmas... Maybe then we can assess the situation and see if we need a quick replacement or maybe wait until the end of the season.... Still waiting to see how the setup looks when everyone is fit and ready... a couple of improvements in January and maybe we'll look a different side and his philosophy finally starts to show some end product... Fcked it up this preseason and things cant get much worse for us at any front i guess but its not the time to be calling for drastic changes imo... dont know why i think that and i think its a shame i do, but i genuinely wouldnt want to see him gone now... i'd rather he absolutely fcks it up beyond doubt before we let him go... he's getting there if he keeps it up though, make no mistake about it...   

On the topic of manager, gotta agree with Mick... Its Mourinho, or any other manager....
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Postby metalhead » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:19 pm

aCe' wrote:No way Jose....
Im backing Rafa at-least until Christmas... Maybe then we can assess the situation and see if we need a quick replacement or maybe wait until the end of the season.... Still waiting to see how the setup looks when everyone is fit and ready... a couple of improvements in January and maybe we'll look a different side and his philosophy finally starts to show some end product... Fcked it up this preseason and things cant get much worse for us at any front i guess but its not the time to be calling for drastic changes imo... dont know why i think that and i think its a shame i do, but i genuinely wouldnt want to see him gone now... i'd rather he absolutely fcks it up beyond doubt before we let him go... he's getting there if he keeps it up though, make no mistake about it...   

On the topic of manager, gotta agree with Mick... Its Mourinho, or any other manager....

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Postby Zidane » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:38 pm

I know he can be the right man for the job but this season has just been something else though.  It's been depressing but I just feel like Rafa can still do something great with the club if he's given a little bit more money(a good backup striker) and some better luck with injuries.  We're RIGHT there I can feel it, if everyone had stayed fit all season long and I mean EVERYONE we would be right at the top alongside Chelsea I have no doubts about that.  Maybe not quite in first but right in the mix.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:44 am

bigmick wrote:You want someone who has proven they can handle both star players and players who are relatively unknown. You want someone who has proven they can be successful both at home and in Europe without spending bucketloads of money, but someone who when he does get to buy big, generally buys well. You want someone who will instantly command the respect of the players, and has the man-management capabilities to get the players to run through brick walls for him. You want a manager who has a history of winning titles very quickly for clubs which he takes over, if he has a history of winning the title in each of his first two seasons all the better.

You want someone who when the players hear he has joined, far from looking to "follow Rafa out the door" are ringing up their egents and telling them to negotiate a longer contract. You want someone who has a history in the Premiership, who understands it and know what it takes to win, win and win again. If he's available, anybody who wants whats best for Liverpool Football Club wants the best manager for it. That being the case, as we all know, there is only one candidate.

If we can't get him, then let the search through all the rest begin.

Dave bassett it is then . You've got more chance of him comimg to the club .

Can't stand the c@nt mourinho as you know michael. But i'm telling you there is no way he would come to this club the way it's being run so far . With knew owners maybe ,but not with the two clowns we've got .
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Postby The Real Deal » Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:09 am

Emerald Red wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
The Real Deal wrote:if anything we are a weekend side from when he took over!

Explains tonight then.   :cool:

Yeah, how we could have used the skill of Diao in the middle, and the distracting spitting antics of his mate and translator Diouf up front; Biscan bossing the middle, putting in crunching tackles, and the deadly pace of Toare boming down the flanks from LB.

listen mate....Barring the sarcasm...

come to england sometime......cloudy windy skys, cold temparatures 3m on the dole, premier league football teams. ...they kick a round thing called a football, parks with trees, buckingham palace. liver buildings.... have you ever set foot on this land?

Just  a little different from kangaroos and aborigines cooking pototoes by stick on a fire, crocodiles and Koala bear and neighbours, and home and away. Come over to England sometime , I will arrange for you to come to a stadium called Anfield, get the tour, bring the kids... a fun day out! Great holiday to England ..Book now! available at all Australian travel agents and online!

do you get lfc games 48 hours later by satellite?

you need to show more respect. I am 30 mins from LFc stadium , are you?? I will buy you a programme from the birmingham game if you like. it will take 4 weeks though to get to you by airmail though Lol.

just don't take the mick out of LFc fans. not nice.

Joking Aside.............You were all saying on his arrival..."benitez 2 la liga league titles in 3 seasons in spain" !!

Now wot? 6th season...were do we stand? about 7th in league?

like last season. 2nd ye. we drew 11 games! a third a lot at home meaning we are too defensive. So wot, a lot of these silly m*ppets who are silly say..."well loads of them games" yes BUT it is a results business, not a posession business. LFC do it all the time. shocking.

Just to do with quality signings and strength in your squad.

get a reality check all of you stop living in some dizzy land.
Realistically, wot you think gonna happen now?
Uefa cup tie V everton?

It's rubbish.
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Postby Madmax » Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:42 am

If rafa waas to go then the only replacement i could think of is crusty the clown. Nah seriously i would probably go for hidiink or what about sven moran erikson? He does quite will with clubs.  Jose would be an ideal replacement but his a bit of a d*ick and can't see him working with the yanks.
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Postby killerp » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:11 am

Madmax wrote:If rafa waas to go then the only replacement i could think of is crusty the clown. Nah seriously i would probably go for hidiink or what about sven moran erikson? He does quite will with clubs.  Jose would be an ideal replacement but his a bit of a d*ick and can't see him working with the yanks.

Jose needs Millions to win something we need a someone who is good at working with a tight budget & has an eye for talent.
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Postby The_Rock » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:23 am

If benitez does go.........let us not do the arguement "There is no one realistically we can get to replace him" shall we....

Yeah....i would prefer if we got mourinho (disclaimer : IF & WHEN BENITEZ LEAVES)... But i am pretty sure, there are some other deserving managers in the game who could do an awesome job if only they were only given a chance 

Owzat was mentioning about wenger.....well i for one didn't hear about him when arsenal signed him and look how successful he has been to that club.


An example :
Laurent Blanc seems to be doing a decent job in france....

yeah, i know he played for manure....i am not suggesting he is the man to manage this club. Just that there are many "more than decent managers" out there ...then meets the eye. :p

Our new CEO purslow seems to be a smart guy.....I trust him to recommend a good manager when the time comes (disclaimer : IF & WHEN BENITEZ LEAVES).
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Postby killerp » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:55 am

agoodmentality wrote:I've supported Rafa to the hilt,,,but I haven't felt this bad since Wigan away last season,,:angry:

He's got to go,,,,I hate saying it, but he has,,   Does anybody know how much his contract is worth??

Whoever said our squad was as good as the mancs,, your talking pish,,,,
Take out the 2 Best players out of every PL squad and put them up man for man against us,, think about it,
IMHO I'd take chelski's squad, man u, arsenal, man city, aston villa, spurs, bloody hell everton and sunderlands squads even start to look ok.

I supported Rafa loyally for years & where has it got me, nowhere. Runners up for just about every comp & Rafa always doing just enough to keep him in the job. I thought we go it for sure last season, how can we not go all the way!

Rafa has milked the tits off of 2005 CL, if it wasn't for that he would be back in Spain quite a while ago.
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Postby bigmick » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:07 am

Yes I think that's a sensible point Rock, just to echo you OBVIOUSLY ONLY IF RAFA LEAVES.

Wenger actually came from some team in Japan, and I dread to even contemplate what we would all make of it should Rafa depart and somebody suggest we get a manager out of the Japanese league. Pep Guardiaola did well last season and didn't have that much pedigree, nobody had heard of Avram Grant before he went to Chelsea and he came within a John Terry slip of winning them the Champions League in his first season. Ancellotti hadn't been uprooting trees recently in Italy but I think he's done an excellent job at Chelsea, harnessing what was already there and not trying to get too clever by changing too much. Hiddink did much the same last season.

All of those managers tend towards a laissez faire attitude while the players are on the pitch and seem to be of the opinion that the managers job is to get the set up right and then to let the players express themselves within that framework. I do wonder sometimes at the methodology of Rafa when he barks at players from the sidelines, telling them to tuck in five yards or push up three yards, or tells the full back to get tighter while the ball is on the other side of the pitch.

Anyway I digress, and there's no doubt that there are numerous managers in World Football who could probably make a decent fist of it. I saw some on here scoffing at the idea of Roberto Mancini on here which made me smile, mind you if they'll dismiss Mourinho on the grounds that he can only buy trophies then I suppose nothing should surprise me.
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Postby NANNY RED » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:00 am

bigmick wrote:. I do wonder sometimes at the methodology of Rafa when he barks at players from the sidelines, telling them to tuck in five yards or push up three yards, or tells the full back to get tighter while the ball is on the other side of the pitch.

Id call that Vision from our manager Michael. Seeing the play an knowing were the oppo player is gonna be playing the ball before it happens,

He sees things theyll never see :;):
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Postby made in UK » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:03 am

Ciggy wrote:By David Maddox

It is fashionable at the moment to use the word 'fact' when denigrating Rafael Benitez and all things Liverpool.

So rather than repeat the lame joke doing the rounds about the fact behind the teams they have lost to, I thought I'd try to offer a little bit of perspective to all this ridiculous, ill-informed knee-jerk nonsense currently being spouted about the manager's position, by presenting a fact of my own.

Here is a real fact for you.

In their 117 year history, Liverpool have sacked precisely no managers while a season is underway. Let me repeat that figure. None. Zilch. Zero. Nada. In fact, during all that time, Liverpool have actually only ever sacked two managers, Gerard Houllier in 2004, and before that Don Welsh in 1956, and both at the end of the campaign.

So, when you hear the latest 'expert opinion' that Benitez will be sacked if Liverpool go out of the Champions League in two weeks, or that he has until Christmas to turn things around or he's out of a job, just pause and think of that fact for a moment.

They have never been, nor ever will be, a sacking club. And they will never sack a manager during a league campaign, no matter how miserable things become, nor how loud the calls are for the axe to be sharpened by those so-called experts.

I have to admit, I have come to despair about some elements of my profession in recent weeks, because they don't seem to even know how to spell perspective, never mind use it.

When they talk about Benitez being replaced, by Kenny Dalglish or uncle Tom Cobbley as a stop-gap for the rest of the season, before Jose Mourinho or Martin O'Neill can fill the role permanently, then they are exposing their complete and utter lack of knowledge about the workings of the Anfield club.

Indeed, if you read any story about the manager going between now and Christmas, then stop reading and dismiss the writer as an idiot who is exposing his ignorance. Because, for all the hysteria surrounding Benitez's position from the outside, I can assure you that there is no such focus from within the club.

Christian Purslow, the new Managing Director, has already gone on record to guarantee that the manager will be judged only at the end of the season, with the perspective of a full campaign, and all that that entails.

Even the American owners have confirmed that for all the talk of dire consequences should Liverpool fail to reach the knockout stages of the Champions League, the reality is that they have budgeted only to reach the group stages, and recent commercial successes have actually put the club in a strong position financially.

If Liverpool do go out at the first stage, they could lose some money, but then they may just as well make more, because they will have the chance to go on a long run in the Europa League, recouping those losses.

And even though they have now won just one of their last nine games, and were again disappointing against Birmingham on Monday night, they are still only three points off the benchmark position of entering the top four in the Premier League, which is the real test for any Liverpool manager.

Now, that's not to say that everything is rosy at Anfield - it clearly isn't. Benitez has admitted to mistakes this season, many of them, and he also accepts that he must act quickly and decisively if he is to turn things around.

But he has been without 14 players at various points in the campaign so far, including his three most valuable stars - Fernando Torres, Steven Gerrard and Glen Johnson.

Gerrard and Johnson returned to give the team a lift against Birmingham, and Torres should be back soon after the international break is over in a fortnight's time, when Liverpool entertain Manchester City, in a game that will say much about the likely make up of the top four this season.

It is actually making me angry, to keep hearing this uninformed nonsense that Benitez could be sacked before the season's out, because if he is, then it will go against almost 120 years of Anfield history, and believe me, not even the club's American owners are that stupid.

Benitez has had problems, big ones, but he may well be through the worst of those now, and he will have until at least the end of the season to prove that the quality squad he has built is still progressing, and can develop into genuine title contenders.

I'm not going to fall into the trap of wheeling out more facts to support Benitez like some of his allies do, because statistics about a winning record better than Paisley or Ferguson, and being voted the number one team in Europe over the past year, are completely worthless unless backed up with trophies.

Benitez knows that. He is a keen student of that proud 117 year history of the club, and all that has been achieved in that time. He is fully aware that he has at least until the end of the campaign to prove his understanding of that fact.

And if you hear anything different from an imposter claiming to know what's going on at Anfield, then you have my permission to scream.

I read this article by David maddox yesterday and whilst I sincerely appreciate his public opinion FOR the club and Rafa. I don't understand how he can say its a "fact" that Liverpool will not consider sacking a manager half-way through a season.

We've never sacked a manager in our 117 years of exsistence and in that time have only sacked two managers. They were after long stints, as oppossed to Geordie jeerky-ness. This is an admirable attribute that our club has adhered to and credit is noted for that.

But we now have Beavis and Butthead owning our club who have since day one have lied undermined and ashamed this club, manager and its supporters. How Maddox can claim these two monkeys won't sack Rafa midway through the season as "fact" is beyond me. He's right we're not a sacking club, but we weren't a laughing stock before this pair took over. They don't care for the tradition and culture of this club. They've proved this with empty promises since day one, I'm sure if they felt it neccesary they wouldn't hesitate to sack Rafa. The probable "fact" of the matter is, they won't sack him any time soon because they can't afford to.

I will take advise from Maddox and dismass further articles and pundits who claim that Rafa will be sacked by Christmas. Largely due to the fact the owners I don't think can afford it. Not because we're not a sacking club, pinky and perky couldn't give a to$$ about our history and creditable status.

From a personal perspective I wouldn't like to see Rafa sacked midway through the season. Yes it has been a disaster so far but there is plenty of football still to be played and Rafa deserves the chance I think to turn it around at least. The end of the season is when stock should be taken and assessed about the gaffer. Until we need to hope he and the lads can turn things around.
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Postby made in UK » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:11 am

NANNY RED wrote:
bigmick wrote:. I do wonder sometimes at the methodology of Rafa when he barks at players from the sidelines, telling them to tuck in five yards or push up three yards, or tells the full back to get tighter while the ball is on the other side of the pitch.

Id call that Vision from our manager Michael. Seeing the play an knowing were the oppo player is gonna be playing the ball before it happens,

He sees things theyll never see :;):

I'd probably be inclined to share Micks view about that. I mean Rafa maybe able to see dead people an all that jargon. But I think he tends to want to control the players on the pitch rather than letting them go with their own instincts.

Whether that is right or wrong is another debate.
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Postby Dazzer » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:39 am

Micks view I find it funny how I say things weeks ago and someone else says the same thing then gets all the kudos for it.I get labeled as someone that talks sh.it all the time yet you all tend to follow on with what I say a week or 2 later.
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