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big al wrote:Saint the problem this season is that Rafa did'nt allow his first team time on the pitch before we met Spurs.  We were a yard short of pace compared to them he had insist on a crazy concept of blooding the younsters who he has since failed to trust.  I was impressed by the contributions Ayala and San Jose made in these friendlies yet Rafa has now kept faith with them.  Instead he has bought a Greek guy whos near the end of his career.  I don't think too many people would complain if these guys had made the mistake at Lyon.  Wenger got stick for playing youngsters but in the end this paid off for him.  Graham Sorry if I seemed over critical of your point. You make a fair comment but focusing injuries detracts from the other moreglaring issues such as

1 Poor man management. Alonso said it all in an interview with Madrid. He should know.
2 Refusal to change his substitution policy not before the hour (facts speak louder than me)
3 Adhering to a system that only works when there is quality throughout.  He changed it for Man U and look at the outcome.
4 Failure to go for the jugular when an opponent is down
5 Continuing to play players out of position allowing them to be scape goated for his managerial failings (Lucas is a defensive mid-fielder, asking him to play Alonso role is nonsense and unfair on the lad)
6 Poor judgement in his signings but particularill letting nemeth go on loan and not selling Vorinin when he had the chance.
7 Putting ondue pressure on his players by highlighting that we were top last season, no one noticed until he opened his gob.
8 Acting tough and failing to recognise the input of Paco Ayestran by giving him the pay rise he deserved.
9 Appointing a defensive coach that has no concept of how to mark and play in the premiership, his other coaches are rubbish and wee Sammy should not be assistant manager he's a coach not a tactician his Bolton record tells you that.
10 Threatening to leave if he did not get 'carte blanche' and sack most of the backroom staff, 2 liverpool legends a youth development officer whose boots he'd never have been able to lace.
11 Interfering too much in the goings on upstairs and therefore getting caught up in the politics which is not his remit.  His siding with Hicks contributed to Parry's leaving.
12 Rafa's last quality is the most damning ' its his failure to learn from anyone else' This is his sixth season with one clear target win the premiership.  He failed and he will continue to fail fundementally because he is not a manager.  He a great coach, a great tactician, his preparation is second to none but in order to win the premiership you need to be able to adapt and change. 

Last night Birmingham were down and out for 26 minutes.  Mcfadden was pretending to limp because Johnstone had made a wee boy out of him.  Mcfadden had given up. McLeish made a substitution which may well have been forced due to injury but it changed the game.  They harried and crowded Lucas becasue they knew he was not a natural ball player.  The result was Liverpool were confined to loong range shots, which were poorly executed.  A lucky free kick and McFaddenwas suddenly resurrected.  No fear of Liverpool then a great but Jammy goal It make me cringe.  In thse first 26 minutes had we a striker who was only capable of 70% of Torres ability the game would have been one.  We had'nt so then why not just go 4-4-2 as with Man U why not kill them off when they were in complete disarray.  Same with Lyon twice, Fulham, Sunderland.  Last season it was the same.  Rafa does not know went he has an opponent down.  Mr Cautious Rafael Benitez  Is it The SAS motto 'who dares wins' And for those Rafa Die hards who cry about bad luck 'Fortune favours the brave'  Have some balls Rafa your jobs on the line.  City wil beat us Debrcen will have a go because it us and Everton should well be Rafa's Waterloo Unless he changes his stupid insistence to play a formation for which we lack the quality of personel he had available at Valencia.

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:I think MON is very ambitious and would jump at a chance to manage Liverpool.  Even though our current position is pretty woeful, we are one of the biggest teams in world football

LFC2007 wrote:

s@int wrote:Maybe Kenny could work his magic? I know he has been out of football for a long while, but he is one of the few managers to not only have won the league in his first season, but to have won the league with two clubs. 

To be honest although I would love him to come back and be successful, I would hate to see him fail and perhaps tarnish his rep with us.

I think we should let Rafa see out the season and make our decision once we know where we stand. If Rafa walks I would go for Dalglish as caretaker manager and see how he coped.

I agree with that. If it came down to it at the end of the season and we couldn't afford a Mourinho or a Hiddink (the best two potential candidates by a mile, IMO), then yes Kenny as interim would be ideal. At least then he'd have time to get his bearings. Right now though I don't think it'd be fair on him, not in the shape we're in.

If we fail to turn the corner  and look as if we might miss a top four spot, then I could see a decision being made earlier than May, in which case Kenny would be the ideal man as caretaker. As opposed to Sammy Lee.

Owzat wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

s@int wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:What is the likely hood of a top manager wanting to come to LFC ? Serious question . In my humble opinion as a scouse fan (i know , i know it's a very embarresing for our oot support to be associated with a scouser,god forbid hey) no top manager in there right mind would touch us witha bargepoll in our clubs present state. Mourinho and Hiddink leaving there cushy little numbers to manage at ouir shambles of a club . Can we have some realism here please , because the managers we will be looking at will be your middle of the road used to working with a tight budget mid table type managers.

Maybe thats what we need Igor, rather than a manager who thinks he can spend millions on players for the reserves like Houllier did?

Rafa came in as a manager who could win the title without spending big money. £200million later and we are still waiting. Maybe we need a manager that can get the best out of what we have, rather than trying to buy success with no money.

LIKE?

I've heard of this bloke, only a rumour like, but people say he has won three Premiership titles against the odds and without the funds that Chelsea and Man Utd have enjoyed. In fact he's rumoured to have won the league without losing a single game, most say "pah, you're making it up", but I truly believe in this 'god'.

I'm wondering if this rumoured bloke might be the man in charge of the team currently lying second, a team that was widely tipped to drop out of the 'big four' and make way for big spending Man City. The only games they've lost this season are in the city of manchester itself, unfortunate to lose against the bigger of the two sides.

It's also rumoured they play a flowing brand of attractive football, maybe it sometimes lacks an end product as they try to walk the ball into the net, but they are the top scorers in the Premiership with the biggest GD.

Maybe we won't get Arsene Wenger, but I'd rather buy him out of his contract and spend £39m on securing his services than see what Rafa signs next.

big al wrote:Saint the problem this season is that Rafa did'nt allow his first team time on the pitch before we met Spurs.  We were a yard short of pace compared to them he had insist on a crazy concept of blooding the younsters who he has since failed to trust.  I was impressed by the contributions Ayala and San Jose made in these friendlies yet Rafa has now kept faith with them.  Instead he has bought a Greek guy whos near the end of his career.  I don't think too many people would complain if these guys had made the mistake at Lyon.  Wenger got stick for playing youngsters but in the end this paid off for him.  Graham Sorry if I seemed over critical of your point. You make a fair comment but focusing injuries detracts from the other moreglaring issues such as

1 Poor man management. Alonso said it all in an interview with Madrid. He should know.
2 Refusal to change his substitution policy not before the hour (facts speak louder than me)
3 Adhering to a system that only works when there is quality throughout.  He changed it for Man U and look at the outcome.
4 Failure to go for the jugular when an opponent is down
5 Continuing to play players out of position allowing them to be scape goated for his managerial failings (Lucas is a defensive mid-fielder, asking him to play Alonso role is nonsense and unfair on the lad)
6 Poor judgement in his signings but particularill letting nemeth go on loan and not selling Vorinin when he had the chance.
7 Putting ondue pressure on his players by highlighting that we were top last season, no one noticed until he opened his gob.
8 Acting tough and failing to recognise the input of Paco Ayestran by giving him the pay rise he deserved.
9 Appointing a defensive coach that has no concept of how to mark and play in the premiership, his other coaches are rubbish and wee Sammy should not be assistant manager he's a coach not a tactician his Bolton record tells you that.
10 Threatening to leave if he did not get 'carte blanche' and sack most of the backroom staff, 2 liverpool legends a youth development officer whose boots he'd never have been able to lace.
11 Interfering too much in the goings on upstairs and therefore getting caught up in the politics which is not his remit.  His siding with Hicks contributed to Parry's leaving.
12 Rafa's last quality is the most damning ' its his failure to learn from anyone else' This is his sixth season with one clear target win the premiership.  He failed and he will continue to fail fundementally because he is not a manager.  He a great coach, a great tactician, his preparation is second to none but in order to win the premiership you need to be able to adapt and change. 

Last night Birmingham were down and out for 26 minutes.  Mcfadden was pretending to limp because Johnstone had made a wee boy out of him.  Mcfadden had given up. McLeish made a substitution which may well have been forced due to injury but it changed the game.  They harried and crowded Lucas becasue they knew he was not a natural ball player.  The result was Liverpool were confined to loong range shots, which were poorly executed.  A lucky free kick and McFaddenwas suddenly resurrected.  No fear of Liverpool then a great but Jammy goal It make me cringe.  In thse first 26 minutes had we a striker who was only capable of 70% of Torres ability the game would have been one.  We had'nt so then why not just go 4-4-2 as with Man U why not kill them off when they were in complete disarray.  Same with Lyon twice, Fulham, Sunderland.  Last season it was the same.  Rafa does not know went he has an opponent down.  Mr Cautious Rafael Benitez  Is it The SAS motto 'who dares wins' And for those Rafa Die hards who cry about bad luck 'Fortune favours the brave'  Have some balls Rafa your jobs on the line.  City wil beat us Debrcen will have a go because it us and Everton should well be Rafa's Waterloo Unless he changes his stupid insistence to play a formation for which we lack the quality of personel he had available at Valencia.

Emerald Red wrote:

s@int wrote:We have a catalogue of injuries, but plenty of new fitness coaches.

Thought about this last night. Most of our injuries seem to be due to muscle strains. Could it be that Rafa's training methods are too much for the player's to cope with? Has he changed something? Or is it just bad luck?

big al wrote:Saint the problem this season is that Rafa did'nt allow his first team time on the pitch before we met Spurs.  We were a yard short of pace compared to them he had insist on a crazy concept of blooding the younsters who he has since failed to trust.  I was impressed by the contributions Ayala and San Jose made in these friendlies yet Rafa has now kept faith with them.  Instead he has bought a Greek guy whos near the end of his career.  I don't think too many people would complain if these guys had made the mistake at Lyon.  Wenger got stick for playing youngsters but in the end this paid off for him.  Graham Sorry if I seemed over critical of your point. You make a fair comment but focusing injuries detracts from the other moreglaring issues such as

1 Poor man management. Alonso said it all in an interview with Madrid. He should know.
2 Refusal to change his substitution policy not before the hour (facts speak louder than me)
3 Adhering to a system that only works when there is quality throughout.  He changed it for Man U and look at the outcome.
4 Failure to go for the jugular when an opponent is down
5 Continuing to play players out of position allowing them to be scape goated for his managerial failings (Lucas is a defensive mid-fielder, asking him to play Alonso role is nonsense and unfair on the lad)
6 Poor judgement in his signings but particularill letting nemeth go on loan and not selling Vorinin when he had the chance.
7 Putting ondue pressure on his players by highlighting that we were top last season, no one noticed until he opened his gob.
8 Acting tough and failing to recognise the input of Paco Ayestran by giving him the pay rise he deserved.
9 Appointing a defensive coach that has no concept of how to mark and play in the premiership, his other coaches are rubbish and wee Sammy should not be assistant manager he's a coach not a tactician his Bolton record tells you that.
10 Threatening to leave if he did not get 'carte blanche' and sack most of the backroom staff, 2 liverpool legends a youth development officer whose boots he'd never have been able to lace.
11 Interfering too much in the goings on upstairs and therefore getting caught up in the politics which is not his remit.  His siding with Hicks contributed to Parry's leaving.
12 Rafa's last quality is the most damning ' its his failure to learn from anyone else' This is his sixth season with one clear target win the premiership.  He failed and he will continue to fail fundementally because he is not a manager.  He a great coach, a great tactician, his preparation is second to none but in order to win the premiership you need to be able to adapt and change. 

Last night Birmingham were down and out for 26 minutes.  Mcfadden was pretending to limp because Johnstone had made a wee boy out of him.  Mcfadden had given up. McLeish made a substitution which may well have been forced due to injury but it changed the game.  They harried and crowded Lucas becasue they knew he was not a natural ball player.  The result was Liverpool were confined to loong range shots, which were poorly executed.  A lucky free kick and McFaddenwas suddenly resurrected.  No fear of Liverpool then a great but Jammy goal It make me cringe.  In thse first 26 minutes had we a striker who was only capable of 70% of Torres ability the game would have been one.  We had'nt so then why not just go 4-4-2 as with Man U why not kill them off when they were in complete disarray.  Same with Lyon twice, Fulham, Sunderland.  Last season it was the same.  Rafa does not know went he has an opponent down.  Mr Cautious Rafael Benitez  Is it The SAS motto 'who dares wins' And for those Rafa Die hards who cry about bad luck 'Fortune favours the brave'  Have some balls Rafa your jobs on the line.  City wil beat us Debrcen will have a go because it us and Everton should well be Rafa's Waterloo Unless he changes his stupid insistence to play a formation for which we lack the quality of personel he had available at Valencia.

big al wrote:3 Adhering to a system that only works when there is quality throughout.  He changed it for Man U and look at the outcome.

Emerald Red wrote:

s@int wrote:We have a catalogue of injuries, but plenty of new fitness coaches.

Thought about this last night. Most of our injuries seem to be due to muscle strains. Could it be that Rafa's training methods are too much for the player's to cope with? Has he changed something? Or is it just bad luck?