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by **DAV** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:48 am

i cant speak for the rest of you of you but i have not been to as many games as i would of liked.
but games i have been to
west ham - if im honest we were lucky and bolton for that matter
the home games we have won we deserved all, i was not at the villa game so wont comment on it
spurs- felt we deserved at least a draw
the european games i have been to, none. what i saw was :censored:

in all of them.

by **bigmick** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:49 am

The excuses are so predictable they are funny. All this "bargain basement" stuff is utter nonsense, but it doesn't matter how often you prove it is nonsense they still say it. It's like a groundhog day, and all we need now to complete it are a couple of people coming into the thread and calling anybody who thinks losing your sixth game out of seven is a bit worrying, a c...

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:52 am

LFC2007 wrote:
s@int wrote:But if you don't accept and learn from your mistakes you will never progress. We are making the same mistakes now as we have made before much to our cost.

I agree with what you've said to a certain extent mate, but that isn't my point. I'm not using it to counter anyone who has considered and considerable doubts about Rafa's management of the club, I'm essentially just saying (general comment) that in the state we're in, it doesn't do anyone any good to perpetually berate Rafa and the team. There's a place for constructive criticism just as much as there's a place for accepting reality, and the present moment that means that Rafa's here, the team are here and we need to get on with it.

I posted something similar a couple of pages back(perhaps a little harsher) to Nanny..... don't blame you for not wanting to wade back through though

What irritates me is this Rafa can do no wrong business (not from you). When he is wrong he is wrong, it should be admitted by everyone and then we move on to the next game.

Hiding it behind money, injuries, parry, purslow and the two clowns does no one any favours.

He fecked up badly today, hopefully he does better next time

by **DAV** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:52 am

Greavesie what the hell are you on.
we are not a club,team,fans supporters who will go along with what ever is put in front of us with no comment.
thats communism or a dictatorship you seem to want.
RAFA is no lenin thank god.
in the uk we can speak our opinions
and the only way to over thow someone is threw numbers and voice.

by **bigmick** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:53 am

Greavesie wrote:know what it is, part of me wants us to up so some of you lot really do off. lets see who really loves the club, wholl stay and fight for it through thick and thin. some of you really are a bunch of just in it for success. Its more than that. LFC is a family, win or lose we stick together, always have always will. We're all crying for the club to get in order and we cant even get ourselves in order. what a depressing dire situation this is. jesus christ

Greavsie all that is true. The bit that i don't understand though is this.

People who think possibly changing the manager and bringing somebody new in might enhance the clubs chances of doing well, don't love the club. Those who think we should stick with a manager who hasn't won a trophy for three seasons and has presided over six defeats in the last seven matches, do love the club.

Those who think we should aspire to win trophies and are not happy with whats going on, don't love the club. Those who are prepared to accept the fact that we are not winning trophies, do love the club.

I don't get it.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:56 am

Greavesie wrote:know what it is, part of me wants us to up so some of you lot really do off. lets see who really loves the club, wholl stay and fight for it through thick and thin. some of you really are a bunch of just in it for success. Its more than that. LFC is a family, win or lose we stick together, always have always will. We're all crying for the club to get in order and we cant even get ourselves in order. what a depressing dire situation this is. jesus christ

I think if anyone was in it for the "success" they would have fecked off by now mate. 4 years and counting since our last "success". We are here to stay , its just the moaning and groaning that is getting louder.

by **DAV** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:57 am

with my work i am more into politics than football.
but people who dont except critism in my mind are liberal minded ******************* (how can i put the last phrase) i leave it at that

by **Dazzer** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:59 am

I been following this club since I was 9 years old I think since I am pushing on 30 now its gonna be hard to get rid of me.Sorry to dissapoint. :cool:

Also to wish us to do bad just to lose supporters ? I think you be better to just support the mancs mate they like fans like you there.

by **Greavesie** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:59 am

s@int wrote:
Greavesie wrote:know what it is, part of me wants us to up so some of you lot really do off. lets see who really loves the club, wholl stay and fight for it through thick and thin. some of you really are a bunch of just in it for success. Its more than that. LFC is a family, win or lose we stick together, always have always will. We're all crying for the club to get in order and we cant even get ourselves in order. what a depressing dire situation this is. jesus christ

I think if anyone was in it for the "success" they would have fecked off by now mate. 4 years and counting since our last "success". We are here to stay , its just the moaning and groaning that is getting louder.

I know s@int it was just an outburst, sorry mate, maybe I need a break from this

by **parchpea** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:01 am

I get the feeling people do not feel we can do any better and thats what annoys me. Benitez is as good as it gets? I do not accept it. Just because you support a manager no matter what doesnt mean you love the club, it means you are loyal to a fault and thats not healthy. The Rafa love in is harming the club now.

by **Dazzer** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:01 am

parchpea wrote:I get the feeling people do not feel we can do any better and thats what annoys me. Benitez is as good as it gets? I do not accept it. Just because you support a manager no matter what doesnt mean you love the club, it means you are loyal to a fault and thats not healthy. The Rafa love in is harming the club now.

Spot on there thats the message I been saying. :nod

by **LFC2007** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:02 am

s@int wrote:I posted something similar a couple of pages back(perhaps a little harsher) to Nanny..... don't blame you for not wanting to wade back through though

What irritates me is this Rafa can do no wrong business (not from you). When he is wrong he is wrong, it should be admitted by everyone and then we move on to the next game.

Hiding it behind money, injuries, parry, purslow and the two clowns does no one any favours.

He fecked up badly today, hopefully he does better next time

Yep, I broadly agree. I wouldn't agree that there aren't other factors - there are - and to that extent I'm probably going to disagree with yourself and Mick, but Rafa has to accept the lion's share of responsibility for things on the pitch and so far it's been well below par. It's the extent of it that shocks me, but we have to move on - we can only move on.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:02 am

Greavesie wrote:
s@int wrote:
Greavesie wrote:know what it is, part of me wants us to up so some of you lot really do off. lets see who really loves the club, wholl stay and fight for it through thick and thin. some of you really are a bunch of just in it for success. Its more than that. LFC is a family, win or lose we stick together, always have always will. We're all crying for the club to get in order and we cant even get ourselves in order. what a depressing dire situation this is. jesus christ

I think if anyone was in it for the "success" they would have fecked off by now mate. 4 years and counting since our last "success". We are here to stay , its just the moaning and groaning that is getting louder.

I know s@int it was just an outburst, sorry mate, maybe I need a break from this

We all need to vent mate. It must be even worse for you ..... at least I get it out of my system by blaming the manager

by **DAV** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:02 am

dazzer im 36 been going since i was a kid, i went to such games as peterbrough away, and brian tininan scoring for bristol,
thing is back in day you always had a squad to rely on.
but now we dont.

by **Dazzer** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:04 am

LFC2007 wrote:
s@int wrote:I posted something similar a couple of pages back(perhaps a little harsher) to Nanny..... don't blame you for not wanting to wade back through though

What irritates me is this Rafa can do no wrong business (not from you). When he is wrong he is wrong, it should be admitted by everyone and then we move on to the next game.

Hiding it behind money, injuries, parry, purslow and the two clowns does no one any favours.

He fecked up badly today, hopefully he does better next time

Yep, I broadly agree. I wouldn't agree that there aren't other factors - there are - and to that extent I'm probably going to disagree with yourself and Mick, but Rafa has to accept the lion's share of responsibility for things on the pitch and so far it's been well below par. It's the extent of it that shocks me, but we have to move on - we can only move on.

I know Rafa has had alot of injurys it sucks It really does but you just can't help but think this is a problem he has made for him over last 5 years.I mean you can only say o.k Rafa its not your fault before you start thinking hang on all those times it was your fault.

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