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by **Waldo** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:46 pm

I think the notion of sacking Rafa is a ridiculous one for many reasons. The main ones being the fact it would cost the club £20m to sack him, what top managers would want to come in given the state of the club off the field and, most importantly, I think it would mean the likes of Torres and Reina would walk. Rafa signed a new deal in the summer and was closely followed by Gerrard and Torres. If he goes then I think they will seriously consider their positions at Liverpool. Another new man another new start...for Gerrard that would mean even less chance of winning the league title with Liverpool.

That being said I can absolutely see the point of many on here and the frustrations they feel about Rafa.

Without sounding like a broken record you cannot underestimate the loss of Alonso. He has left a massive void in our team and Rafa must take the blame for him leaving in the summer.

The jury has to be out with regards the summer signing and I think I could have done better if I had £39m in the summer. Johnson is a very good player but £18m for a RB!!! Aquilani...well who knows but apparently a 15 min appearance for the reserves last night has given many hope that he is better than what we have in MF at the moment, although that's hardly surprising given it's Lucas (who is hopeless) and Mascherano (who doesn't look like he wants to play for us anymore) as the incumbent shirt fillers in MF.

Having watched a lot of Liverpool over the past few weeks you look at the likes of Lorik Cana and Lee Cattermole (as well as Michael Turner) at Sunderland and think they would do a v.good for us (esp Cana who I rate highly). Then Krankjar goes to Spurs for < £3m

I think we missed out on all of these guys.

You then look at who we were linked with...Negredo, Barry, Poulson, Deffour etc etc and I think £39m could have secure 2 or 3 of these players.

Our "squad" hasn't improved on last year and that coupled with the injuries is why we are where we are at the moment. Rafa has to take the blame for that.

by **Waldo** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:49 pm

Waldo wrote:I think the notion of sacking Rafa is a ridiculous one for many reasons. The main ones being the fact it would cost the club £20m to sack him, what top managers would want to come in given the state of the club off the field and, most importantly, I think it would mean the likes of Torres and Reina would walk. Rafa signed a new deal in the summer and was closely followed by Gerrard and Torres. If he goes then I think they will seriously consider their positions at Liverpool. Another new man another new start...for Gerrard that would mean even less chance of winning the league title with Liverpool.

That being said I can absolutely see the point of many on here and the frustrations they feel about Rafa.

Without sounding like a broken record you cannot underestimate the loss of Alonso. He has left a massive void in our team and Rafa must take the blame for him leaving in the summer.

The jury has to be out with regards the summer signing and I think I could have done better if I had £39m in the summer. Johnson is a very good player but £18m for a RB!!! Aquilani...well who knows but apparently a 15 min appearance for the reserves last night has given many hope that he is better than what we have in MF at the moment, although that's hardly surprising given it's Lucas (who is hopeless) and Mascherano (who doesn't look like he wants to play for us anymore) as the incumbent shirt fillers in MF.

Having watched a lot of Liverpool over the past few weeks you look at the likes of Lorik Cana and Lee Cattermole (as well as Michael Turner) at Sunderland and think they would do a v.good for us (esp Cana who I rate highly). Then Krankjar goes to Spurs for < £3m I think we missed out on all of these guys.

You then look at who we were linked with...Negredo, Barry, Poulson, Deffour etc etc and I think £39m could have secure 2 or 3 of these players.

Our "squad" hasn't improved on last year and that coupled with the injuries is why we are where we are at the moment. Rafa has to take the blame for that.

There is also the chance that Rafa might walk...what with all the off field shenanigans going on.

That being said I believe that there is something going on behind the scenes with regards to the club and that is why Rafa signed a new contract (closely followed by his main men) and also why he (Rafa) has remained reasonably quite and calm to date. Just a hunch I have.

by **devaney** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:52 pm

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:This is a proper good laugh this thread. I thought Jesper Carrot's stand up shows were top notch for laughter, but doesn't compare to some of the posts on here.

Peter Reid for Liverpool manager F***s sake, maybe we could try Dan Petruscu or Adrian Heath while we're at it. Sod it, try Adrian Chiles.

Liverpool don't play attacking football? Another classic. Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against United last year? Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against Arsenal last year? Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against Chelsea last year? So we put four past the rest of the big four, oh how defensive we must be. Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score more league goals than any other side in the league last year? Oh how defensive we must be. Haven't we scored four goals in three matches already this year, oh how defensive we must be. Didn't Fernando Torres score more goals than any other foreigner in their debut season back in 07/08 - how did he manage that with such a defensive manager setting defensive tactics? I suppose 33 goals were just luck.

Arbeloa didn't want to leave? Erm yes he did which is why he refused to sign a contract extension. And we didn't sell him to buy Glen Johnson as the former Portsmouth man arrived before we'd sold anybody this summer. Alonso only wanted to leave because of Rafa? Erm no he didn't, he wanted to leave because Real Madrid came in for him which is why his transfer request came in after Madrid made their interests known.

So if you're gonna continuously slag the manager off and making suggestions as to why he should be sacked, at least make them credible. If not, then belt up complaining and get behind the manager.

So Alonso,Crouch,Sissoko,Bellamy and Hypypia going and Babel,Lucas,Veronin and Ngog arriving had fk all to do with Rafa you'll be trying to tell me next.

I don't need you to tell me to get behind Rafa and the team I have supported for over 40 years. In the past, admittedly not recently, I have been a strong supporter of Rafa but things change and he's changed. Enough is enough and it is time for a complete overhaul! Manager, team and owners. We are currently rapidly going backwards and I am find it really difficult to keep the faith!

by **Rush Job** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:53 pm

Waldo wrote:what top managers would want to come in given the state of the club off the field

Carefull there buddy you might make heimdal cry.
This is the club he loves dont disrespect it.

by **heimdall** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:55 pm

Rush Job wrote:
Waldo wrote:what top managers would want to come in given the state of the club off the field

Carefull there buddy you might make heimdal cry.
This is the club he loves dont disrespect it.

by **Rush Job** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:58 pm

heimdall wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
Waldo wrote:what top managers would want to come in given the state of the club off the field

Carefull there buddy you might make heimdal cry.
This is the club he loves dont disrespect it.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:00 pm

Waldo wrote:I think the notion of sacking Rafa is a ridiculous one for many reasons. The main ones being the fact it would cost the club £20m to sack him, what top managers would want to come in given the state of the club off the field and, most importantly, I think it would mean the likes of Torres and Reina would walk. Rafa signed a new deal in the summer and was closely followed by Gerrard and Torres. If he goes then I think they will seriously consider their positions at Liverpool. Another new man another new start...for Gerrard that would mean even less chance of winning the league title with Liverpool.

That being said I can absolutely see the point of many on here and the frustrations they feel about Rafa.

Without sounding like a broken record you cannot underestimate the loss of Alonso. He has left a massive void in our team and Rafa must take the blame for him leaving in the summer.

The jury has to be out with regards the summer signing and I think I could have done better if I had £39m in the summer. Johnson is a very good player but £18m for a RB!!! Aquilani...well who knows but apparently a 15 min appearance for the reserves last night has given many hope that he is better than what we have in MF at the moment, although that's hardly surprising given it's Lucas (who is hopeless) and Mascherano (who doesn't look like he wants to play for us anymore) as the incumbent shirt fillers in MF.

Having watched a lot of Liverpool over the past few weeks you look at the likes of Lorik Cana and Lee Cattermole (as well as Michael Turner) at Sunderland and think they would do a v.good for us (esp Cana who I rate highly). Then Krankjar goes to Spurs for < £3m I think we missed out on all of these guys.

You then look at who we were linked with...Negredo, Barry, Poulson, Deffour etc etc and I think £39m could have secure 2 or 3 of these players.

Our "squad" hasn't improved on last year and that coupled with the injuries is why we are where we are at the moment. Rafa has to take the blame for that.

Quality post mate, a lot of nails on a lot heads there, keep em coming!

by **Rush Job** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:04 pm

Stange how this form has seen us become favourites for a title....... the europa cup.

by **Reg** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:09 pm

heimdall wrote:
Reg wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Dazzer wrote:Ok bud you on ignor.That isn't on trying to make out I have no love for thios club is about as much of an insult as you can throw at me.

Dont waste your time Igor, the lads posted 200 comments in the last 24hrs, he´s just after attention.

Yeah and you've been real quiet in the meantime, you want to be carefull of throwing rocks in a glasshouse mate.

Some of us dont spew emotional sh!te.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:15 pm

heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:time to lock this thread i think, everything has been said.

No not really don't try and get it shut others still talking about stuff.Just because you don't like whats being said don't mean it isn't a good thing to talk over.If you don't like it no one is forcing you to post or read in it.

Trouble is, there's a thread like this every time we find ourselves in a bit of bad form, so the same garbage gets rehashed from the same and usual suspects each and every time. Oddly enough, each and every time this happens, Rafa always seems to steady the ship.

Where are these other threads then? This is the first one I can remember in ages talking about sacking Rafa. Can you show me the other ones please?

I can remember at least 5 or 6 off the top of my head. Go do a search on the forum and you'll find them. You think this is the only knee-jerk type bollox of a thread there's been on here?

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:24 pm

Evening all , have we sacked him yet, has Georgie been spotted secretly negotiating in the toilets of Burtonwood, :;):

I hear Ian Holloway was seen in the little chef dancing on the tables singin Will We Beat Blackpool, Must be in the frame ey :;):

by **devaney** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:33 pm

baldrick - Your take on Alonso's transfer request is just a tad naive. Alonso knew he was going, Rafa knew he was going and virtually the entire bl.eedin population of Spain and England knew he was going. A bit of face saving went on along with the ridiculously protracted negotiations to secure a the best possible price that has never actually been disclosed. As for the transfer request it became a condition of sale to avoid paying a substantial loyalty bonus. Rafa's management of Alonso was absolutely fkg awful and he was always going to go after being made to feel like an unwanted leper at the end of the 2007/8 season.

by **skellyred71** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:45 pm

Avi Cohen wrote:I've been a Rafa dissenter for some time and can still see his (many) faults, which have been stated here already.

But I want him to stay.

Our anthem is You'll Never Walk Alone. You'll. Never. Walk. Alone. Read the words. What do they mean? It is a case of You'll Never Walk Alone when everything is going our way or You'll Never Walk Alone when it really counts.

Rafa needs our support right now. This is the worst run we've had for 22 years and it's not the Liverpool way to turn our backs on our team/gaffer when they need it. It's now they need support. Not when we're winning.

And we're partly to blame for all this. This won't be a popular comment but it's the truth. For years Rafa and the team has been hearing THELEAGUETHELEAGUETHELEAGUETHELEAGE.

European Champions? that - THE LEAGUE
FA Cup Winners? that - THE LEAGUE

We want the league. Rafa wants the league. The team wants the league. That pressure pours down from the stands onto the pitch. If there's one wayward pass, the groans that fill Anfield are deafening. One pass. I don't know about you guys but I certainly wouldn't be able to cope under that kind of pressure 24/7. It would do my head in and would have an adverse effect on my performance.

Come on Rafa and the boys - let the Mancs know who they're playing against on Sunday.

And us? Let the Mancs know where they're playing on Sunday.

THIS. IS. ANFIELD.

YOU'LL. NEVER. WALK. ALONE.

spot on avi lad

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:46 pm

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