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Reg wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

Dazzer wrote:Ok bud you on ignor.That isn't on trying to make out I have no love for thios club is about as much of an insult as you can throw at me. 

   

Dont waste your time Igor, the lads posted 200 comments in the last 24hrs, he´s just after attention.

Yeah and you've been real quiet in the meantime, you want to be carefull of throwing rocks in a glasshouse mate. 

heimdall wrote:

Rush Job wrote:

Dazzer wrote:

stmichael wrote:No self respecting manager will want to come to a club with absolutely bugger all money or ambition anyway which is what the current owners have reduced our club to.

If you sack him they will be lining up mate I don't care who is running our club people want to manage it , Its in the top 3 greatest clubs in world so who the feck would turn it down ?

Not going to happen mate.
People talk about Mourinho and mon,    do you honestly think they would leave their respective clubs to be ring master for us?
Its like people say we should have signed this player or that assuming it could have been done "just like that".
Considering we only got Johnson because pompy were due us and we managed to get Aquilani with paying less than half up front, how much have we really spent? Its all on tick which means less money for us in the future.

hmm managing Aston Villa or Liverpool, yeah that would be a tough one
Why do you sh1t on our club by suggesting no one wants to manage it? that's actually starting to p1ss me off a bit, stop disrespecting the club I love please.

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:This is a proper good laugh this thread. I thought Jesper Carrot's stand up shows were top notch for laughter, but doesn't compare to some of the posts on here.

Peter Reid for Liverpool manager F***s sake, maybe we could try Dan Petruscu or Adrian Heath while we're at it. Sod it, try Adrian Chiles.

Liverpool don't play attacking football? Another classic. Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against United last year? Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against Arsenal last year? Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against Chelsea last year? So we put four past the rest of the big four, oh how defensive we must be. Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score more league goals than any other side in the league last year? Oh how defensive we must be. Haven't we scored four goals in three matches already this year, oh how defensive we must be. Didn't Fernando Torres score more goals than any other foreigner in their debut season back in 07/08 - how did he manage that with such a defensive manager setting defensive tactics? I suppose 33 goals were just luck.

Arbeloa didn't want to leave? Erm yes he did which is why he refused to sign a contract extension. And we didn't sell him to buy Glen Johnson as the former Portsmouth man arrived before we'd sold anybody this summer. Alonso only wanted to leave because of Rafa? Erm no he didn't, he wanted to leave because Real Madrid came in for him which is why his transfer request came in after Madrid made their interests known.

So if you're gonna continuously slag the manager off and making suggestions as to why he should be sacked, at least make them credible. If not, then belt up complaining and get behind the manager.

Rush Job wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Rush Job wrote:

Dazzer wrote:

stmichael wrote:No self respecting manager will want to come to a club with absolutely bugger all money or ambition anyway which is what the current owners have reduced our club to.

If you sack him they will be lining up mate I don't care who is running our club people want to manage it , Its in the top 3 greatest clubs in world so who the feck would turn it down ?

Not going to happen mate.
People talk about Mourinho and mon,    do you honestly think they would leave their respective clubs to be ring master for us?
Its like people say we should have signed this player or that assuming it could have been done "just like that".
Considering we only got Johnson because pompy were due us and we managed to get Aquilani with paying less than half up front, how much have we really spent? Its all on tick which means less money for us in the future.

hmm managing Aston Villa or Liverpool, yeah that would be a tough one
Why do you sh1t on our club by suggesting no one wants to manage it? that's actually starting to p1ss me off a bit, stop disrespecting the club I love please.

Shut up you tit, how am I sh!tting on the club by stating the obvious?
Mourinho is in a well paid and well backed job and mon wasnt interested in the job when he was at celtic so why now with the club in the state it is and after coming out today stating how strong his squad is?
You might think villa are some small back water club but he doenst and he`s got a good relationship with Learner, if you think he would swap the hard work that is now paying off at villa to come to us, a side he`s trying to or you could say is overtaking you dont have a very good understanding of the man imo,and thats aside from the fact he has stated because of personal issues he needs to be in the midlands.

You are so right, I have no fecking idea what makes MON tick but then neither do you, or are you best mates with him or something? Liverpool is clearly a far more attractive club to manage than Aston Villa, who had there heyday about 100 years ago!!

Anyway stop slagging off LFC by suggesting no one wants to manage us, it's disloyal and disrespectfull!!    

heimdall wrote:

Scottbot wrote:

DAV wrote:I'm a sure this wont go down well but so be it.
We have no first team squad and we have no depth.
Our League campaign is laughable, our european is well a tough one. I hate our owners but when all said and done we sold a perfectly decent right back and signed another who is decent for way over the odds. The other new guy we signed, i dont no if he will be good bad or in indifferent. Irrelelvant, Fact is we bort a guy for alot of money who a fair way into the season has not played a game. I don't care how good he is, when he does get to start we are playing catchup, a game we will struggle to win at. We keep playing the only brazilian with no tallent. We have one striker. We new all this at the start of the season and prayed we had no injurys, well we do and we are FU**ED. Babel voronin ngog young not good enough. I'm mad very mad and RB is to blame.
GET rid

Regardless of anyone's opinion on Rafa (and some lost the faith in him long before last season) sacking him (or any manager in my book, unless the dressing rooom has been lost) at this stage of the season would be completely knee-jerk and likely to be counter productive for a number fo reasons.

1- There is enough turmoil behind the scenes with the owners without worrying about a change of manager so early in the year.

2- Some of our top players (Torres and Reina spring to mind) have allegiences to the manager. If he went, and things didn't improve I wonder if they'd be so certain of their futures at the club come January when the big offers come in again.

3- Would the owners see a green light to sell Torres for BIG money in January if Rafa was not at the club or we were in a caretaker manager situation? In my opinion, YES they would.

4- Who would we get in at such short notice? Chance sof getting a top name such as Hiddink or Mourinho are virually zero in mid-season.

5- That leaves us with Sammy Lee. Great servant to the club and a passionate number 2, but no thanks.

In my opinion it simply isn't realistic to even think about it at this stage of the season, no matter how pis...s...ed off you might be with our play, the personnel or anything tactical.

Good post but I do unsurprisingly disagree becuase I actually think he has lost the dressing room already, the team have not been the same since alonso left, i think there was a hell of a lot more going on behind the scenes with Alonso than any of us realise.
If Rafa leaves then things will get worse before they get better but that's not big problem as far as I'm concerned as it needs to happen at some point and mid season is probably the best time. As for a mass exodus of players, firstly I don't think it will happen but if they are that disployal to the club and fans then they can feck off for all I care. If the owners want to sell Torres in January can you explain how Rafa will stop them becuase unless he owns 51% of the shares I don't see how he could.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

dawson99 wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:

dawson99 wrote:no, cant agree. its naive to completely blame the owners and lay off Rafa. He has made mistake afetr istake in his signings and his stubbornness...

I'm behind the manager as ong as he is manager, but he's destroying our chances again and again. why, when we have money probs, does he spend SOOO much on a player who cant even play for months... he has signed over 60 players and most of them were useless.

Yes the owners suck, but you cant lay all the blame with them!

Because who were the alternatives? Lee Cattemole for f***s sake. For the limited money that Rafa has to spend (raised by selling players, not by the owners giving) Aquilani was the best option available in Rafa's eyes and after spending big on Xabi and Masch (in our comparison) I'd trust him when it comes to spending big on a central midfielder.

If the owners provided proper funds and didn't force Rafa to sell his players, then we would be in a better position. Truth is, it's the owners fault for bleeding the club dry of any funds from their own back pocket.

So if no alternatives just blow the lot on a crock?

We have funds, we have signed more players than most teams... just they are poor players. And the subs he is doing...madness...

I a, just becoming dissalussioned with Rafa lately, but lets just see what he can do

Since when has Aquilani been a crock? He hasn't even kicked a ball yet for us. Ask the Roma fans what they think of the player, or ineed anyone who knows Italian football. Most are very, very upset that he left. He's one of the jewels of Serie A. To buy a fully fit, on form Aquilani would have probably priced us out as per usual.

What if Ronaldo, or Kaka were injured with the recovery window of a few months. What if their value suddenly dropped because of this and we could afford to get either one of them for dirt cheap?  Would anyone in here be critical of our manager then for buying a class player for under the odds? I don't think so.

aquliani is nowhere near the class of Kaka or Ronaldo though is he, so your point is irrelevant. Van der vart and Snijder who are both superior players to Aquilani were available and fit for cheaper prices in the summer and yet we passed on them, that makes zero sense to me.

Seen him play often, have you?

Bammo wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:Happy clappers of the world unite.

Just in case people missed this Tomkins article/blog. An excellent read and can lead to a whole host of speculation about who the references are to.

I think Aguero and Keane get a mention but I may be completely wrong   

heimdall wrote:Anyway one question, why did Arby and Alonso want to leave, surely some of the reason must be down to Rafa?

Bad Bob wrote:

Reg wrote:Come come Bob lets not exaggerate...

I'll take Alonso, Crouch and Bellamy from the first list  but forget the others, Baros cant hold down a place, Finnan is finished, Murphy and Riise way too old. At their prime mate yes, but not mid october 2009.

As you state, the second list would struggle against most EPL sies.

I'd take more than those three, mate, but even with just those three still in the side we'd be an entirely different proposition, IMO.  I simply can't make out how we've shipped out so many decent players and replaced them with some of our current squad members.  It's verging on criminal.


(BTW, I cannot begin to tell you how disturbing it is getting the old      from Lakes!    )

heimdall wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:This is a proper good laugh this thread. I thought Jesper Carrot's stand up shows were top notch for laughter, but doesn't compare to some of the posts on here.

Peter Reid for Liverpool manager F***s sake, maybe we could try Dan Petruscu or Adrian Heath while we're at it. Sod it, try Adrian Chiles.

Liverpool don't play attacking football? Another classic. Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against United last year? Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against Arsenal last year? Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against Chelsea last year? So we put four past the rest of the big four, oh how defensive we must be. Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score more league goals than any other side in the league last year? Oh how defensive we must be. Haven't we scored four goals in three matches already this year, oh how defensive we must be. Didn't Fernando Torres score more goals than any other foreigner in their debut season back in 07/08 - how did he manage that with such a defensive manager setting defensive tactics? I suppose 33 goals were just luck.

Arbeloa didn't want to leave? Erm yes he did which is why he refused to sign a contract extension. And we didn't sell him to buy Glen Johnson as the former Portsmouth man arrived before we'd sold anybody this summer. Alonso only wanted to leave because of Rafa? Erm no he didn't, he wanted to leave because Real Madrid came in for him which is why his transfer request came in after Madrid made their interests known.

So if you're gonna continuously slag the manager off and making suggestions as to why he should be sacked, at least make them credible. If not, then belt up complaining and get behind the manager.

That is by a long way one of your better posts Baldrick in that you made some good points, most of which I agreed with, without actually abusing anyone directly. I don't mean to be patronising but well done, please carry on like that and don't descend to Lando's level of slagging everyone off who you don't agree with.

Anyway one question, why did Arby and Alonso want to leave, surely some of the reason must be down to Rafa?

Oooo, fraternising with the enemy. Can't be having that can we. 

Anyway Arby never felt comfortable here, he made that known. He always wanted to return home. That's why he never signed a contract extension during his time here, he never took to the way of life in Liverpool. That can't be blamed on Rafa.

As for Xabi as I've said many times, his transfer request came in only after Madrid made their interest known and we refused to accept a bid of 20 mill. If he wanted to leave after the Juve fiasco, he'd have handed his request in straight away once the window opened not wait until his dream move to Real Madrid became available.

Rush Job wrote:

heimdall wrote:Anyway one question, why did Arby and Alonso want to leave, surely some of the reason must be down to Rafa?

But why must it be down to Rafa mate?
Trying to bring in Barry would of helped Alonso`s decision but in no way was it THE reason, I bet his wife wanting home to have her baby had just as much to do with it.
Also if the owner had not blocked the move for Barry would it be the same issue?

heimdall wrote:

Rush Job wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Rush Job wrote:

Dazzer wrote:

stmichael wrote:No self respecting manager will want to come to a club with absolutely bugger all money or ambition anyway which is what the current owners have reduced our club to.

If you sack him they will be lining up mate I don't care who is running our club people want to manage it , Its in the top 3 greatest clubs in world so who the feck would turn it down ?

Not going to happen mate.
People talk about Mourinho and mon,    do you honestly think they would leave their respective clubs to be ring master for us?
Its like people say we should have signed this player or that assuming it could have been done "just like that".
Considering we only got Johnson because pompy were due us and we managed to get Aquilani with paying less than half up front, how much have we really spent? Its all on tick which means less money for us in the future.

hmm managing Aston Villa or Liverpool, yeah that would be a tough one
Why do you sh1t on our club by suggesting no one wants to manage it? that's actually starting to p1ss me off a bit, stop disrespecting the club I love please.

Shut up you tit, how am I sh!tting on the club by stating the obvious?
Mourinho is in a well paid and well backed job and mon wasnt interested in the job when he was at celtic so why now with the club in the state it is and after coming out today stating how strong his squad is?
You might think villa are some small back water club but he doenst and he`s got a good relationship with Learner, if you think he would swap the hard work that is now paying off at villa to come to us, a side he`s trying to or you could say is overtaking you dont have a very good understanding of the man imo,and thats aside from the fact he has stated because of personal issues he needs to be in the midlands.

You are so right, I have no fecking idea what makes MON tick but then neither do you, or are you best mates with him or something? Liverpool is clearly a far more attractive club to manage than Aston Villa, who had there heyday about 100 years ago!!

Anyway stop slagging off LFC by suggesting no one wants to manage us, it's disloyal and disrespectfull!!    

Wtf are you on? A wind up no doubt, what a supprise.
Yeah me saying neither mourinho or mon would leave their clubs to come to us with our current state of affairs is disrepecting the club.
When did I say no one would want the job? Learn to read.
What ever mate,open your eyes.

The team YOU love 

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:

heimdall wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:This is a proper good laugh this thread. I thought Jesper Carrot's stand up shows were top notch for laughter, but doesn't compare to some of the posts on here.

Peter Reid for Liverpool manager F***s sake, maybe we could try Dan Petruscu or Adrian Heath while we're at it. Sod it, try Adrian Chiles.

Liverpool don't play attacking football? Another classic. Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against United last year? Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against Arsenal last year? Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score four against Chelsea last year? So we put four past the rest of the big four, oh how defensive we must be. Didn't Rafa Benitez' Liverpool side score more league goals than any other side in the league last year? Oh how defensive we must be. Haven't we scored four goals in three matches already this year, oh how defensive we must be. Didn't Fernando Torres score more goals than any other foreigner in their debut season back in 07/08 - how did he manage that with such a defensive manager setting defensive tactics? I suppose 33 goals were just luck.

Arbeloa didn't want to leave? Erm yes he did which is why he refused to sign a contract extension. And we didn't sell him to buy Glen Johnson as the former Portsmouth man arrived before we'd sold anybody this summer. Alonso only wanted to leave because of Rafa? Erm no he didn't, he wanted to leave because Real Madrid came in for him which is why his transfer request came in after Madrid made their interests known.

So if you're gonna continuously slag the manager off and making suggestions as to why he should be sacked, at least make them credible. If not, then belt up complaining and get behind the manager.

That is by a long way one of your better posts Baldrick in that you made some good points, most of which I agreed with, without actually abusing anyone directly. I don't mean to be patronising but well done, please carry on like that and don't descend to Lando's level of slagging everyone off who you don't agree with.

Anyway one question, why did Arby and Alonso want to leave, surely some of the reason must be down to Rafa?

Oooo, fraternising with the enemy. Can't be having that can we. 

Anyway Arby never felt comfortable here, he made that known. He always wanted to return home. That's why he never signed a contract extension during his time here, he never took to the way of life in Liverpool. That can't be blamed on Rafa.

As for Xabi as I've said many times, his transfer request came in only after Madrid made their interest known and we refused to accept a bid of 20 mill. If he wanted to leave after the Juve fiasco, he'd have handed his request in straight away once the window opened not wait until his dream move to Real Madrid became available.

FFS I try and be civil and you need to have a dig, well at least I tried.
BTW interesting interpretation on Alonsogate, kind of goes against accepted wisdom though, but maybe you are right and Rafa is a lovely guy, warm and full of kindness etc , he certainly shows it every match doesn't he, feck me the smile on him when we score, it lights up the whole of Anfield.