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bavlondon wrote:

Dazzer wrote:

stmichael wrote:No self respecting manager will want to come to a club with absolutely bugger all money or ambition anyway which is what the current owners have reduced our club to.

If you sack him they will be lining up mate I don't care who is running our club people want to manage it , Its in the top 3 greatest clubs in world so who the feck would turn it down ?

You could probably say the same thing with regards to buying us. Yet no one will.

Igor Zidane wrote:Tommy Smith: Liverpool FC problems begin at the top

Oct 22 2009 By Tommy Smith

SOMETHING has gone badly wrong on the pitch at Liverpool. We can all see it and it’s painful stuff. There are problems almost everywhere you look – and almost as many reasons for them.

Without Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres we do seem to struggle. Any team would miss world class stars like these but we are over-reliant on them, it’s true.

Rafa Benitez has made mistakes of course and he has got an awful lot on his hands now to put things right. He’s not beyond criticism and has to accept his share of the blame for things, of course. But those people calling for his head because of this alarming, sudden dip in results are way off the mark as I see it.

Because the truth for me is this.

If things have just started to go wrong on the pitch, then off it they have been wrong – very wrong – for two and a half years now.

The American owners have screwed the club up and are still doing so. They are hardly ever there, hardly on speaking terms I hear and showing no sign of doing the decent thing - selling up and getting out.

True Liverpool fans would far rather see the back of Tom Hicks and George Gillett than a popular and proven manager who is yet capable of putting things right again.

A manager who, for all the players he has bought and who have not worked out, has not had one extra penny to invest this summer in a squad that lost just two league games last year – and which he has previously led to two Champions League finals – not to mention his achievements in Spain with Valencia.

No. I‘m convinced Liverpool’s biggest problems begin right at the top and that we’re seeing them seep down now. I’m not saying the Americans alone are to blame for everything, but Hicks and Gillett must surely understand their ongoing broken partnership is at the root of everything that is so wrong still behind the scenes at Anfield.

To them, Liverpool FC is just a money making venture. But to all the people who really care about Liverpool, it’s much, much more.

It’s time the Americans – not the Liverpool manager – went.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpo....4987813

It is true. It is impressive how the players and the manager have been able to get results with the mess going on behind the scenes for 3 years.

Igor Zidane wrote:Tommy Smith: Liverpool FC problems begin at the top

Oct 22 2009 By Tommy Smith

SOMETHING has gone badly wrong on the pitch at Liverpool. We can all see it and it’s painful stuff. There are problems almost everywhere you look – and almost as many reasons for them.

Without Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres we do seem to struggle. Any team would miss world class stars like these but we are over-reliant on them, it’s true.

Rafa Benitez has made mistakes of course and he has got an awful lot on his hands now to put things right. He’s not beyond criticism and has to accept his share of the blame for things, of course. But those people calling for his head because of this alarming, sudden dip in results are way off the mark as I see it.

Because the truth for me is this.

If things have just started to go wrong on the pitch, then off it they have been wrong – very wrong – for two and a half years now.

The American owners have screwed the club up and are still doing so. They are hardly ever there, hardly on speaking terms I hear and showing no sign of doing the decent thing - selling up and getting out.

True Liverpool fans would far rather see the back of Tom Hicks and George Gillett than a popular and proven manager who is yet capable of putting things right again.

A manager who, for all the players he has bought and who have not worked out, has not had one extra penny to invest this summer in a squad that lost just two league games last year – and which he has previously led to two Champions League finals – not to mention his achievements in Spain with Valencia.

No. I‘m convinced Liverpool’s biggest problems begin right at the top and that we’re seeing them seep down now. I’m not saying the Americans alone are to blame for everything, but Hicks and Gillett must surely understand their ongoing broken partnership is at the root of everything that is so wrong still behind the scenes at Anfield.

To them, Liverpool FC is just a money making venture. But to all the people who really care about Liverpool, it’s much, much more.

It’s time the Americans – not the Liverpool manager – went.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpo....4987813

Tommy should march in and kick the sh!t out of them 

Greavesie wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:Tommy Smith: Liverpool FC problems begin at the top

Oct 22 2009 By Tommy Smith

SOMETHING has gone badly wrong on the pitch at Liverpool. We can all see it and it’s painful stuff. There are problems almost everywhere you look – and almost as many reasons for them.

Without Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres we do seem to struggle. Any team would miss world class stars like these but we are over-reliant on them, it’s true.

Rafa Benitez has made mistakes of course and he has got an awful lot on his hands now to put things right. He’s not beyond criticism and has to accept his share of the blame for things, of course. But those people calling for his head because of this alarming, sudden dip in results are way off the mark as I see it.

Because the truth for me is this.

If things have just started to go wrong on the pitch, then off it they have been wrong – very wrong – for two and a half years now.

The American owners have screwed the club up and are still doing so. They are hardly ever there, hardly on speaking terms I hear and showing no sign of doing the decent thing - selling up and getting out.

True Liverpool fans would far rather see the back of Tom Hicks and George Gillett than a popular and proven manager who is yet capable of putting things right again.

A manager who, for all the players he has bought and who have not worked out, has not had one extra penny to invest this summer in a squad that lost just two league games last year – and which he has previously led to two Champions League finals – not to mention his achievements in Spain with Valencia.

No. I‘m convinced Liverpool’s biggest problems begin right at the top and that we’re seeing them seep down now. I’m not saying the Americans alone are to blame for everything, but Hicks and Gillett must surely understand their ongoing broken partnership is at the root of everything that is so wrong still behind the scenes at Anfield.

To them, Liverpool FC is just a money making venture. But to all the people who really care about Liverpool, it’s much, much more.

It’s time the Americans – not the Liverpool manager – went.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpo....4987813

Tommy should march in and kick the sh!t out of them 

As Shankly once said to him "They aren't your legs, they are Liverpool's legs"   

In seriousness I don't think anybody on here would deny that our owners aren't a huge factor in our current woes but it's not quite that simple, a lot of our problems do also stem from Rafa, I want to see the owners and Rafa out, a complete overhaul and I think that will happen becuase any new owner will almost certainly bring in a new manager.

Igor Zidane wrote:Happy clappers of the world unite.

Just in case people missed this Tomkins article/blog. An excellent read and can lead to a whole host of speculation about who the references are to.

I think Aguero and Keane get a mention but I may be completely wrong   

Bammo wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:Happy clappers of the world unite.

Just in case people missed this Tomkins article/blog. An excellent read and can lead to a whole host of speculation about who the references are to.

I think Aguero and Keane get a mention but I may be completely wrong   

bigmick wrote:

Rush Job wrote:Yeh but that doesnt really mean we spent 65m more than them though does it,

Well in terms of net spend, yes it does to be honest. Put another way, who lost the more important performers? They lost Carlos Tevez who is accepted as being one of the best front players in the Premiership, if not in World football. They also lost Ronaldo, who in many pundits eyes is the best player in the World.

We lost Xabi Alonso who was an excellent player for us in his final season, and we lost Alvarro Arbeloa who despite being one of my favourite players, was a bit more limited I think it's fair to say.

maguskwt wrote:That's right net spending is not the way to look at the amount Rafa's spent... similarly over generalization of of the amount Rafa has spent does not show the true picture.

If Rafa has bought Keane for 20 million, this money is already been sanctioned to build the squad. So if he sold Keane for 14 million and could not spend that 14 million (depreciated value) for a replacement that means that the owners HAVE revoked the 20 million sanctioned money to build the squad. The fact that we lost 6 million in value of the initial 20 million is Rafa's prerogative. But he should be allowed to spend the money recouped so that the 20 million initial investment count for something. Do we now say that Rafa has spent 20 million and got nothing to show for? If Rafa bought Alonso for 10.5 million, this IS the amount Rafa spent. The fact that he has raised this Alonso asset to 30million is to his credit. The fact that he was only able to spend 20 million of that 30 million means that the owners are siphoning off the value from an asset Rafa has increased. So do we say that he has spent 20 million? or do we say that he has spent 2/3 of 10.5 million? Come on now you just can't look at the spending part.

Dazzer wrote:

stmichael wrote:No self respecting manager will want to come to a club with absolutely bugger all money or ambition anyway which is what the current owners have reduced our club to.

If you sack him they will be lining up mate I don't care who is running our club people want to manage it , Its in the top 3 greatest clubs in world so who the feck would turn it down ?

Not going to happen mate.
People talk about Mourinho and mon,    do you honestly think they would leave their respective clubs to be ring master for us?
Its like people say we should have signed this player or that assuming it could have been done "just like that".
Considering we only got Johnson because pompy were due us and we managed to get Aquilani with paying less than half up front, how much have we really spent? Its all on tick which means less money for us in the future.

Rush Job wrote:

Dazzer wrote:

stmichael wrote:No self respecting manager will want to come to a club with absolutely bugger all money or ambition anyway which is what the current owners have reduced our club to.

If you sack him they will be lining up mate I don't care who is running our club people want to manage it , Its in the top 3 greatest clubs in world so who the feck would turn it down ?

Not going to happen mate.
People talk about Mourinho and mon,    do you honestly think they would leave their respective clubs to be ring master for us?
Its like people say we should have signed this player or that assuming it could have been done "just like that".
Considering we only got Johnson because pompy were due us and we managed to get Aquilani with paying less than half up front, how much have we really spent? Its all on tick which means less money for us in the future.

hmm managing Aston Villa or Liverpool, yeah that would be a tough one
Why do you sh1t on our club by suggesting no one wants to manage it? that's actually starting to p1ss me off a bit, stop disrespecting the club I love please.

Igor Zidane wrote:

Dazzer wrote:Ok bud you on ignor.That isn't on trying to make out I have no love for thios club is about as much of an insult as you can throw at me.