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by **Reg** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:10 pm

heimdall wrote:
Reg wrote:We are teetering on the brink mate I agree and it looks like Dazzer is lined up for the job.

Evans, Houllier, Rafa... all victims of the fans impatience to wait for the title.....

No No No, they were all victims of not being good enough managers, why don't you see that?
Do you think Houllier or Evans would ever have won us the premiership, were you sad to see them go?

There is no 'good enough' managers, its like Formula 1, they´re all damn good drivers they just need a fast car.

Ultimately Rafa has bought a good enough squad to win the league but it has to come from within the players to win it.

Rafa is a very convenient whipping boy for every ill.... as will be the next manager and the one after him.

by **roberto green** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:13 pm

I have calmed down since last night when I said sack him!! and was In the heat of the moment, Rafa should have to the the end of the season, it's going to be hard but all is not lost.

I don't know what to make of it and Alonso going can not be the cause of the blame because we have played a good few games without him last season and played really well.

I think maybe we over performed last season and that has added extra pressure

by **heimdall** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:17 pm

Reg wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Reg wrote:We are teetering on the brink mate I agree and it looks like Dazzer is lined up for the job.

Evans, Houllier, Rafa... all victims of the fans impatience to wait for the title.....

No No No, they were all victims of not being good enough managers, why don't you see that?
Do you think Houllier or Evans would ever have won us the premiership, were you sad to see them go?

There is no 'good enough' managers, its like Formula 1, they´re all damn good drivers they just need a fast car.

Ultimately Rafa has bought a good enough squad to win the league but it has to come from within the players to win it.

Rafa is a very convenient whipping boy for every ill.... as will be the next manager and the one after him.

Ok so that's Formula 1 and football you have feck all understanding of then

In Formula 1 they are of course all very good drivers by our standards but the gulf between a Schumacher and Coulthard is absolutely huge, I guarantee you that Coulthard in that Ferrari would not have won 4 years on the bounce, maybe he would have scraped the championship once.

And by the way suggesting that all managers are the same quality is a massive insult to great managers like Shankly, Paisley, Mouriniho, Ferguson etc.

by **mramo** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:19 pm

Sacking Rafa is a poorly stragetic idea seeing he only signed a 4 or 5 year contract with us. Imagine the compensation we would have to pay him? We're already in too much debt. The only way Rafa is sacked if he continues underperforming despite the potentially new owners huge transfer funds, and no trophies that season.

I hold Rafa 50% responsible for Liverpool's poor performance & lack of winning trophies since 2006).
(Example - Silly rotational policy he had going, wreckless mind games with Fergie last year, questionable selling of some former players that would have made great backup players - Mellor, Murphy, Alonso, Arbeloa, Luis Garcia, Crouch)

The board & Rick Parry are ultimately responsbile for ruining the image of Liverpool, the delay of the ground, control over signings, not executing signings on time, overlooking the Manager's first priority signing (e.g. Gareth Barry over Robbie Keane), causing the manager to sign average players with clear lack of funds.

My opinion is if the board are brave, and we lose to United this Sunday, he wont be sacked. Rafa might just resign - with Dalglish taking temporary charge for the whole season. Mourinho wont take over, why would he join a debt ridden club in the first place?

by **heimdall** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:21 pm

mramo wrote:Sacking Rafa is a poorly stragetic idea seeing he only signed a 4 or 5 year contract with us. Imagine the compensation we would have to pay him? We're already in too much debt. The only way Rafa is sacked if he continues underperforming despite the potentially new owners huge transfer funds, and no trophies that season.

I hold Rafa 50% responsible for Liverpool's poor performance & lack of winning trophies since 2006).
(Example - Silly rotational policy he had going, wreckless mind games with Fergie last year, questionable selling of some former players that would have made great backup players - Mellor, Murphy, Alonso, Arbeloa, Luis Garcia, Crouch)

The board & Rick Parry are ultimately responsbile for ruining the image of Liverpool, the delay of the ground, control over signings, not executing signings on time, overlooking the Manager's first priority signing (e.g. Gareth Barry over Robbie Keane), causing the manager to sign average players with clear lack of funds.

My opinion is if the board are brave, and we lose to United this Sunday, he wont be sacked. Rafa might just resign - with Dalglish taking temporary charge for the whole season. Mourinho wont take over, why would he join a debt ridden club in the first place?

Fecking Parry :angry:

by **lakes10** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:27 pm

bbc are saying that Rafa has the clubs backing after a meeting today, looks like we are going to give him time to sort it out.

by **dawson99** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:33 pm

lakes10 wrote:bbc are saying that Rafa has the clubs backing after a meeting today, looks like we are going to give him time to sort it out.

yeah,. whenever a statement comes out saying the club backs a manager, things are fine :wwww

by **made in UK** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:33 pm

lakes10 wrote:bbc are saying that Rafa has the clubs backing after a meeting today, looks like we are going to give him time to sort it out.

Of course he has their backing, they can't afford to sack him.

by **Reg** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:42 pm

So why did they have meeting?

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:43 pm

Didn't Shankly go 6 yrs without winning a trophy? I wonder what the supporters were saying about him at that time.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:45 pm

It'll be all the more sweeter when we do win something.

Embrace that thought and support the team and manager I say.

by **Greavesie** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:52 pm

what an absolutely depressing period this has been for all of us.

Not really sure what to think today after time to cool off after last nights diabolical performance. I've never seen us do this in my lifetime.

I'm just trying to reassure myself that coming back from the dead and achieving the almost impossible has been done many times before, particularly by us.

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:55 pm

LFC2007 wrote:It'll be all the more sweeter when we do win something.

Embrace that thought and support the team and manager I say.

Seconded

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:56 pm

From Times Online
October 21, 2009

Rafael Benitez cannot be blamed for crisis at Anfield, says Tony Barrett

Times Liverpool reporter delivers his verdict on the key issues facing Rafael Benitez and what is going wrong at Anfield. He talks to Ben Smith

How have Liverpool come to this point?

There is a growing feeling of despair that Liverpool's season is hanging by a thread and it is not even November. Everyone has their own view on who is to blame, whether that be Rafael Benitez, the players, or even the injury problems, but it was only a matter of time before the ongoing ownership saga off the pitch lead to a crisis on it.

With Manchester United arriving at Anfield on Sunday that has just brought everything to a head but at the moment the squad is clearly some way short of the standard required of a club that expect to be challenging for trophies.

Who is to blame for the current problems?

Primarily the owners, but Benitez and the players do have to take their share of the blame. The walls are closing in on the manager but it is not fair to rest the blame for this squarely with Benitez, not when his reign has been undermined by the continuing lack of stability in the boardroom.

George Gillett Jr was at Anfield last night to see a team that suddenly looks weak and vulnerable. Yes, Benitez could have done a better job in the transfer market and could have done a better job in motivating the players and getting the best out of them so far this season. But the lack of activity during the summer transfer window was as big a wasted opportunity as the club have had in many years.

After finishing second last year the hope was that there would have been investment in the playing staff to strengthen from good foundations. But the owners told Benitez to balance the books - he was only able to spend what he brought in and that has resulted in the squad lacking the strength and depth that it should have.

Manchester United would have been a big game regardless but the current problems have just raised the stakes still further. How big a game is this for Liverpool?

United is always a massive game for Liverpool regardless of form or league positions. It is the one game every season that the fans want to win more than any other.

Defeat on Sunday is unthinkable for most Liverpool fans but should it happen it would really set alarm bells ringing. Last season Liverpool beat United at Anfield without Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard but their form is so precarious this year that they will need to get at least some of their big guns on the pitch or they are not going to be able to compete.

United will, as Lyons did last night, smell blood and they will relish the opportunity to put Liverpool out of the title race and send the club into an even deeper crisis.

Benitez was booed for replacing Yossi Benayoun last night. Is there any hint he is losing support among the fans?

A result often changes the way people recall a game. When Liverpool were 1-0 up the Kop were singing his name and there is nothing new in the crowd showing their disapproval at a substitution at Anfield. If the crowd don't like it they will let you know about it and there have been quite a few occasions when that has happened in recent seasons.

Having said that, last night's booing was much more vociferous and was clear there was genuine anger being shown towards Benitez. Come Sunday the fans know the team will need all their support to have any chance of beating United. Liverpool are likely to be missing some key players and now is not the time to turn against the team or the manager.

Tom Hicks and Gillett are both likely to be at the ground so the crowd may well direct their anger towards them if things start to go against Liverpool. Throw Michael Owen's return to Anfield into the mix and it could be an even more volatile atmosphere than usual.

Are the owners still 100 per cent behind Benitez?

Their position has changed and they insist Benitez is still the man for the job. As we know from previous experience, often what Gillett and Hicks say is not what is going on the background. The problem for Benitez is that the men who are at the root cause of Liverpool’s problems are the ones that will decide his fate.

What would defeat against United mean at Anfield?

Winning the Premier League title this season is already the longest of long shots with so many big games to come and so many doubts surrounding the side.

Defeat by United would certainly put the final nail in the coffin of Liverpool's title hopes but I have a suspicion that Benitez, despite everything that is going on, will feel confident of defying the odds and getting a victory that could turn the tide.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol....920.ece

by **baldricks_cunning_plan** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:59 pm

Some quality jokes on this thread la.

Harry Redknapp type for Liverpool manager has to be the best one. The same Harry Redknapp who has god knows how much experience of managing and has won 1, yes 1, major trophy. The same trophy Rafa won with just two years of managing experience in the league. The same Harry Redknapp who is now advertising for that s**t rag of a paper. Whereas Rafa knows which two papers not to even look at never mind give interviews for or advertise. Oh yeah we really need a Harry Redknapp type don't we. Seriously some of the fans on here haven't a clue about Liverpool Football Club, it's history, it's traditions or it's luckiness to still have a man with as much class, dignity and loyalty as Rafa has. Anybody even suggesting we should be looking at anybody like Redknapp should be f*****g hung by the nearest lamppost on Bold St.

You're the type of fan who'd go to the match hoping we lose just so you get to boo like the pathetic fickle fans you are. True support is shown through the bad times, not just jumping on the bandwagon when we're winning. It seems like a few on here know that, whereas others think it's a supporter's job to slag the players and manager off at every given chance.

Look at the bigger picture, it's the owners who are ruining the club. It's Rafa who is holding the ship together. Without Rafa we'd be well and truly f****d. With him there is always hope in our hearts, just like the song says.

And we will walk through the storm (or at least those who know what supporting this club means will) and we will see the golden sky for the fickle fans to come and celebrate.

In Rafa We All Will Always Trust!!!

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