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Owzat wrote:Don't see as we're performing that much different now than we have been before

LAST 50 PREMIERSHIP GAMES

41-50 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23
31-40 : P10 W5 D5 L0 PTS 20
21-30 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23
11-20 : P10 W7 D3 L0 PTS 24
01-10 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23

You don't?

So beating Villa 5-0 or Blackburn 4-0 in recent weeks is no better than scraping by Sunderland 1-0 or Boro 2-1 at the beginning of the season?  I would have thought that it's patently evident that we're comfortably playing our best football of the season right now.  As for the draws, I think it's a bit of a different proposition when you draw against Stoke compared to when you draw against Arsenal.  Both were disappointing, undoubtedly, but the level of expectation is a little different, IMO.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

aCe' wrote:its a 5 for me... which is an improvement on the 3 he got earlier on...
its all about how we go about our play next season for me because theres very little we can now do to determine where we stand in the league... Obviously the levels of trust as some have put it are going to change depending on the results but id rather try to focus on thhe e bigger picture here... we lost a good lead and failed to capitalize on a good (wouldn't go as far as saying a once in a blue moon) opportunity to win the league with the other big sides stumbling early on... He made a total mess of a fair few things early on (the keane thing, the ferguson rant, all the draws, and some of the selections) but he managed to somewhat turn things around of late and all credit where its due ... a case of it being a little too late though im afraid...

Its all about next season for me from here on... I think its very hard to predict what Rafa will do in the summer (sissoko? keane? mess with a winning formation? sell finnan? sell Hyypia?!) but whatever it is that he decides to do i just hope it doesnt cost us much early on and hopefully he would have learned from the same mistakes that we've been doing for the past 3 years... if anything the way we've been playing in recent weeks or dare i even say the last couple of months or so has got me pretty excited about the way we are going to approach next seasons fixtures.. hopefully Rafa's attitude and adjusted attacking mentality will be carried on to next season and with the right transfers and as little messing around with the current squad/lineup/formation.. i can see us challenging seriously at more than one front...

Imagine if you will a diamond, roughly 3 feet in diameter. It rests atop a solid gold plinth, in a rugged cave The occasional orange flicker of a torch the only thing keeping the darkness at bay. Despite this, the quality and purity of the diamond is obvious - it is a magnificent sight. It glistens in the fire's light, casting a shadow which gently moves about the cave wall. The diamond has been mined within the last week but is already the subject of expansive and numerous theft-attempts by some of the World's biggest criminal masterminds.

Now imagine the guard. A colossus of a man, 7 feet tall with arms the size of tree trunks. He is armed with a razor-sharp sabre, eagle-like eye-sight and a keen mind. He has the added incentive that his wife and children are being held captive pending the safe retrieval of the diamond. He is prepared to fight to the death, with the rage of a rabid pitbull terrier to keep the jewel on the plinth and air in his family's lungs.

This is how passionately I will defend my iron-willed belief that you, Ace of Newkit, are a complete and utter prat.

aCe' wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

aCe' wrote:its a 5 for me... which is an improvement on the 3 he got earlier on...
its all about how we go about our play next season for me because theres very little we can now do to determine where we stand in the league... Obviously the levels of trust as some have put it are going to change depending on the results but id rather try to focus on thhe e bigger picture here... we lost a good lead and failed to capitalize on a good (wouldn't go as far as saying a once in a blue moon) opportunity to win the league with the other big sides stumbling early on... He made a total mess of a fair few things early on (the keane thing, the ferguson rant, all the draws, and some of the selections) but he managed to somewhat turn things around of late and all credit where its due ... a case of it being a little too late though im afraid...

Its all about next season for me from here on... I think its very hard to predict what Rafa will do in the summer (sissoko? keane? mess with a winning formation? sell finnan? sell Hyypia?!) but whatever it is that he decides to do i just hope it doesnt cost us much early on and hopefully he would have learned from the same mistakes that we've been doing for the past 3 years... if anything the way we've been playing in recent weeks or dare i even say the last couple of months or so has got me pretty excited about the way we are going to approach next seasons fixtures.. hopefully Rafa's attitude and adjusted attacking mentality will be carried on to next season and with the right transfers and as little messing around with the current squad/lineup/formation.. i can see us challenging seriously at more than one front...

Imagine if you will a diamond, roughly 3 feet in diameter. It rests atop a solid gold plinth, in a rugged cave The occasional orange flicker of a torch the only thing keeping the darkness at bay. Despite this, the quality and purity of the diamond is obvious - it is a magnificent sight. It glistens in the fire's light, casting a shadow which gently moves about the cave wall. The diamond has been mined within the last week but is already the subject of expansive and numerous theft-attempts by some of the World's biggest criminal masterminds.

Now imagine the guard. A colossus of a man, 7 feet tall with arms the size of tree trunks. He is armed with a razor-sharp sabre, eagle-like eye-sight and a keen mind. He has the added incentive that his wife and children are being held captive pending the safe retrieval of the diamond. He is prepared to fight to the death, with the rage of a rabid pitbull terrier to keep the jewel on the plinth and air in his family's lungs.

This is how passionately I will defend my iron-willed belief that you, Ace of Newkit, are a complete and utter prat.

good... just stick to your little digs at people and all the useless crrap because you sure as hell know absolutely nothing about the game and contribute nothing to the footie talk on this forum ... like i said before, try sticking to general chat threads...

But that was astonishingly eloquent from Lando, he must have copied it form some children's book he's currently reading...to himself. 

Sabre wrote:I can't believe there are at least 8 people more Rafaist than me, may I change the vote?

rafaist !! 

DrPepe wrote:

Owzat wrote:Don't see as we're performing that much different now than we have been before

LAST 50 PREMIERSHIP GAMES

41-50 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23
31-40 : P10 W5 D5 L0 PTS 20
21-30 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23
11-20 : P10 W7 D3 L0 PTS 24
01-10 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23

The game before we lost to West Ham so it's a favourable starting point, not that I planned it that way or in any way.

Pretty consistent, still way too many draws - 14 in 50 games (28%) Makes it even more annoying that two of the defeats were to Boro (19th) and spudz (10th) and the draws mainly disappointing ones and too many at home. This is poor timing to ask the question, only a bit more time will tell if we can shake off those excessive tendancies to draw.

We still aren't winning enough games in a row. Our best run of wins in the league this season is just five (twice) and we haven't won more than five in a row since the end of 05/06. We'll never sustain pressure on rivals if we can't put together longer winning runs, they know they don't have to wait too long for us to drop points.

i grant you that it may have an effect on impetus, but surely getting runs of wins doesn't actually matter that much in the grand scheme?


if we'd been as consistent in games 31-40 as we'd been in the previous 30 and the 10 since , we'd be 3+ points clear... 

Sabre wrote:

aCe' wrote:

3+ points clear of what ? We need more wins and less draws and that extends to our "good" patches ... we seemingly cant go 10 games without drawing 3 games or so which will always be a problem even though we rarely lose...

It's difficult to be satisfied when you take as standard 10 games without a single draw.

If our last patch is simply simply "good" with quotes, then I don't know what to say. I think we're on our way of beating our record of points since 3 points are awarded. Unfortunately that may not be enough to be champion and "fúcking brilliant", but definitely you can't see that record as "so so", or simply "good". Too demanding.

I know you base your demands in the glorious past of Liverpool F.C. and that's fair enough, but we shouldn't forget where were we 5 years ago and in the last decade.

put it this way, we'd be better off winning 8 and losing 2 than winning 6 and drawing 4...

Yes because 24 is greater than 22. I agree.

DrPepe wrote:

aCe' wrote:

DrPepe wrote:

Owzat wrote:Don't see as we're performing that much different now than we have been before

LAST 50 PREMIERSHIP GAMES

41-50 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23
31-40 : P10 W5 D5 L0 PTS 20
21-30 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23
11-20 : P10 W7 D3 L0 PTS 24
01-10 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23

The game before we lost to West Ham so it's a favourable starting point, not that I planned it that way or in any way.

Pretty consistent, still way too many draws - 14 in 50 games (28%) Makes it even more annoying that two of the defeats were to Boro (19th) and spudz (10th) and the draws mainly disappointing ones and too many at home. This is poor timing to ask the question, only a bit more time will tell if we can shake off those excessive tendancies to draw.

We still aren't winning enough games in a row. Our best run of wins in the league this season is just five (twice) and we haven't won more than five in a row since the end of 05/06. We'll never sustain pressure on rivals if we can't put together longer winning runs, they know they don't have to wait too long for us to drop points.

i grant you that it may have an effect on impetus, but surely getting runs of wins doesn't actually matter that much in the grand scheme?


if we'd been as consistent in games 31-40 as we'd been in the previous 30 and the 10 since , we'd be 3+ points clear... 

3+ points clear of what ? We need more wins and less draws and that extends to our "good" patches ... we seemingly cant go 10 games without drawing 3 games or so which will always be a problem even though we rarely lose...

put it this way, we'd be better off winning 8 and losing 2 than winning 6 and drawing 4... Manutd lost twice as many games as we have this season and they can still afford to lose 2 more and theyd still probably win the thing... and they even lost twice to us... just goes to show the difference in results against the smaller sides and how that has cost us this season...

errrrr.....3 points clear at the top of the league, obviously

not that complicated was it? 

we all know the draws have killed us this season - my point was that of those 5x 10 game segments of games that Owzat posted, our form in 4 of them was good enough to be top 

(without necessitating runs of 10 wins)

ermmm... no actually we'd be 3 points behind Utd after they play their game in hand...

math is pretty complicated i know

REDTILLDEAD wrote:Some people on here must be getting really bored.....if all they can come up with is stupid topics like this one? .......here's my answer to this pointless question....I dont give a fukk what he is paid as long as he delivers the prem title to us...if not this season, then by next at the latest.

i can see why you have 3 cards mate

secondly, you dont like the topic, and no matter how you put it, you still gave an answer to it. so i guess your as stupid as this topic is 

try thinking next time before you post