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bavlondon wrote:You said all that but you still didn't answer the question Bam. Why do you think Rafa will not try for Barry in the summer?

PS No need for you and Sabre to get down each others throats. This isn't a dic.k measuring contest.

In my humble opinion Bav not Rafa's  it would defy logic. Last season when Rafa was open to offers for Xabi it would of made more sense. The Spainard was not on form and Barry coming in and Alonso going out would not of been as perplexing as the speculation this time around. Many have said on here that 'Rafa' was a genius when putting Xabi in the shop window, as it served as a preverbial rocket up the Spainard back side. I personally don't believe that was Rafa's intentions I think he would of sold Xabi if the right offer had came in and brought Barry. Neverthe less that did not happen and Xabi did pick up his game. On current form the only reason I could see Rafa selling Alonso to Madrid is if he had motives for being their manager one day. But sincehe has signed a new contract here at Liverpool there is not any need to sell Alonso to Madrid. Rafa will be given transfer funds of some sort this summer and IMO he needs to buy strikers and possibly a right midfielder and a fullback. Certinly not a central midfielder (that would defy logic) if Bary did run his contract down and came to Liverpool on a free (which is unlikely) Rafa may well keep Xabi and play Barry in a number of positions, left mid, left back and possibly CM if injuries surface. It wouldnt make sense o sell Alonso and buy Barry now as it did last year, Rafa needs to look for game breakers not neceserilly possession retention and industrial players in the mould of Barry. If Barry comes I would be happy, but only if there were no transfer fee involved as our money is needed elsewhere on the team and Xabi stayed at the same time. Just because there is speculation about Madrid 'knocking' it does not mean Rafa has to answer the door to them.

akumaface wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

RedBlood wrote:its mad that some people use that hes not as good as alonso gerrard and masch (3 of the best midfielders in the world) as stick to beat the him with

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

hes 22 years old and he does have talent anyway who cant see that is a clown, hes fourth choice give him a chance to develope his talent and get off his back, like someone said on here if he didnt give away that pen and free kick he wouldnt be getting anywhere near the stick hes getting

are things going that well that a kid has become the whipping boy??

Well the thread certainly wasn't started ( almost a year ago now) with the intention of turning Lucas into a whipping boy . I merely suggested that I didn't think he was good enough to have any real future with us.

As for

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

Yes mate I seriously suggest it. Anyone would think you've never heard of rotation.

Also if Rafa continues to play Gerrard in support of Torres I see lots of opportunities for Mascherano, Alonso and another central midfielder to get regular football , if that other turned out to be Barry he's also more than adept at playing at left mid.

I'm with you on this one. Our squad doesn't have as much depth as the Man U or Chelsea. Look at their Midfielders. Man U they have Scholes, Giggs, Anderson, Carrick, Hargreaves (injured), Fletcher. Chelsea has ballack, deco, lampard, Essien, Mikel and We have Mascher, Alonso, Gerrard and Lucas. Why can't we do better? The fact that Lucas isn't showing us anything and causing us games would suggest that we should improve on this as if without either one of our main 3 cm in an extended time, we would be in trouble. So, if we have additional resources, we should do something here as I think Lucas would be more suitable to be our 5th Midfielder  or 6th or 7th.

Bam wrote:

bavlondon wrote:You said all that but you still didn't answer the question Bam. Why do you think Rafa will not try for Barry in the summer?

PS No need for you and Sabre to get down each others throats. This isn't a dic.k measuring contest.

In my humble opinion Bav not Rafa's  it would defy logic. Last season when Rafa was open to offers for Xabi it would of made more sense. The Spainard was not on form and Barry coming in and Alonso going out would not of been as perplexing as the speculation this time around. Many have said on here that 'Rafa' was a genius when putting Xabi in the shop window, as it served as a preverbial rocket up the Spainard back side. I personally don't believe that was Rafa's intentions I think he would of sold Xabi if the right offer had came in and brought Barry. Neverthe less that did not happen and Xabi did pick up his game. On current form the only reason I could see Rafa selling Alonso to Madrid is if he had motives for being their manager one day. But sincehe has signed a new contract here at Liverpool there is not any need to sell Alonso to Madrid. Rafa will be given transfer funds of some sort this summer and IMO he needs to buy strikers and possibly a right midfielder and a fullback. Certinly not a central midfielder (that would defy logic) if Bary did run his contract down and came to Liverpool on a free (which is unlikely) Rafa may well keep Xabi and play Barry in a number of positions, left mid, left back and possibly CM if injuries surface. It wouldnt make sense o sell Alonso and buy Barry now as it did last year, Rafa needs to look for game breakers not neceserilly possession retention and industrial players in the mould of Barry. If Barry comes I would be happy, but only if there were no transfer fee involved as our money is needed elsewhere on the team and Xabi stayed at the same time. Just because there is speculation about Madrid 'knocking' it does not mean Rafa has to answer the door to them.

RedBlood wrote:

akumaface wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

RedBlood wrote:its mad that some people use that hes not as good as alonso gerrard and masch (3 of the best midfielders in the world) as stick to beat the him with

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

hes 22 years old and he does have talent anyway who cant see that is a clown, hes fourth choice give him a chance to develope his talent and get off his back, like someone said on here if he didnt give away that pen and free kick he wouldnt be getting anywhere near the stick hes getting

are things going that well that a kid has become the whipping boy??

Well the thread certainly wasn't started ( almost a year ago now) with the intention of turning Lucas into a whipping boy . I merely suggested that I didn't think he was good enough to have any real future with us.

As for

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

Yes mate I seriously suggest it. Anyone would think you've never heard of rotation.

Also if Rafa continues to play Gerrard in support of Torres I see lots of opportunities for Mascherano, Alonso and another central midfielder to get regular football , if that other turned out to be Barry he's also more than adept at playing at left mid.

I'm with you on this one. Our squad doesn't have as much depth as the Man U or Chelsea. Look at their Midfielders. Man U they have Scholes, Giggs, Anderson, Carrick, Hargreaves (injured), Fletcher. Chelsea has ballack, deco, lampard, Essien, Mikel and We have Mascher, Alonso, Gerrard and Lucas. Why can't we do better? The fact that Lucas isn't showing us anything and causing us games would suggest that we should improve on this as if without either one of our main 3 cm in an extended time, we would be in trouble. So, if we have additional resources, we should do something here as I think Lucas would be more suitable to be our 5th Midfielder  or 6th or 7th.

so you think utd and chelsea have better options in centre midfield then us?? seriously ??
our centre midfield is as strong if not stronger then anyones in world football

and as for people saying spearing is better then lucas, imo and ive seen them both play alot lucas is better but thats not to say i dont rate them both

and another opinion i have is that if lucas was a scouser and spearing was brazilian then all these people calling for lucas to be replaced with spearing would be alot quieter

aCe' wrote:

Bam wrote:

bavlondon wrote:You said all that but you still didn't answer the question Bam. Why do you think Rafa will not try for Barry in the summer?

PS No need for you and Sabre to get down each others throats. This isn't a dic.k measuring contest.

In my humble opinion Bav not Rafa's  it would defy logic. Last season when Rafa was open to offers for Xabi it would of made more sense. The Spainard was not on form and Barry coming in and Alonso going out would not of been as perplexing as the speculation this time around. Many have said on here that 'Rafa' was a genius when putting Xabi in the shop window, as it served as a preverbial rocket up the Spainard back side. I personally don't believe that was Rafa's intentions I think he would of sold Xabi if the right offer had came in and brought Barry. Neverthe less that did not happen and Xabi did pick up his game. On current form the only reason I could see Rafa selling Alonso to Madrid is if he had motives for being their manager one day. But sincehe has signed a new contract here at Liverpool there is not any need to sell Alonso to Madrid. Rafa will be given transfer funds of some sort this summer and IMO he needs to buy strikers and possibly a right midfielder and a fullback. Certinly not a central midfielder (that would defy logic) if Bary did run his contract down and came to Liverpool on a free (which is unlikely) Rafa may well keep Xabi and play Barry in a number of positions, left mid, left back and possibly CM if injuries surface. It wouldnt make sense o sell Alonso and buy Barry now as it did last year, Rafa needs to look for game breakers not neceserilly possession retention and industrial players in the mould of Barry. If Barry comes I would be happy, but only if there were no transfer fee involved as our money is needed elsewhere on the team and Xabi stayed at the same time. Just because there is speculation about Madrid 'knocking' it does not mean Rafa has to answer the door to them.

if they offer anything more than 20mill i think Benitez would be crazy not to sell.. lets face it.. Barry with his contract running out could be available for at little as 8-12mill .. the difference between the 2 isnt that great... we could use the money to improve other areas...
dont get me wrong i think Alonso's a fantastic footballer.. deffo one of my favourite players and i personally wouldnt want to see him playing elsewhere but if an offer is made, id understand if Rafa considers it.. hell id even expect him to do so...

Back to Lucas though... this thread - afterall -  is about the Brazilian... why arent we looking to get rid of him... surely someone out there hasnt seen enough of him and would be willing to pay 5mill or so for a brazilian internation footballer whos only 21 or whatever his age is... add a few mill to that and get Barry and keep alonso and Bam is happy..

GYBS wrote:It is like a lot of stats - they look lovely but dont tell the whole story but what it does say is that he hasnt had that much of a detremental effect to our results. I think lucas is unfortunate in many respects - 1. he gets compared against three of the best CMs in the prem if not europe 2. He isnt from liverpool (if he was he wouldnt get any of the stick he gets these days ) 3. He cost 6 mil ( which is nothing compared to 18 odd mil for players like anderson nani and other youngsters that are bought ) 4. He was Brazilian League Player of the Year and is expected to play like other players that have won that award .

He is maturing as a player and last number of games has played very solidly and can only get better .

Do you mean apart from giving away dangerous freekicks and the occasional penalty, and genrally running around and loosing the ball!! 

Reg wrote:As mentioned above, any lad is going to struggle to shine when playing alongside 3 of the best midfieldrs in europe and lets face it he did make some massive gaffes when he started out.

I was very anti Lucas however now I have to admit he´s getting his act together and whilst he still makes be nervous - I´m not convinced yet - he seems to have a future at the club. Barry of course is a better player 'today' but he´s also years older with just 2-3 seasons left in him max. If Lucas continues to improve them IMHO we dont need Barry.

So in that case you must expect Lucas and Barry to reach parity in skill and contribution next season then, wow you really are an optimist!! 

heimdall wrote:

GYBS wrote:It is like a lot of stats - they look lovely but dont tell the whole story but what it does say is that he hasnt had that much of a detremental effect to our results. I think lucas is unfortunate in many respects - 1. he gets compared against three of the best CMs in the prem if not europe 2. He isnt from liverpool (if he was he wouldnt get any of the stick he gets these days ) 3. He cost 6 mil ( which is nothing compared to 18 odd mil for players like anderson nani and other youngsters that are bought ) 4. He was Brazilian League Player of the Year and is expected to play like other players that have won that award .

He is maturing as a player and last number of games has played very solidly and can only get better .

Do you mean apart from giving away dangerous freekicks and the occasional penalty, and genrally running around and loosing the ball!!