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[Ace Ventura]

its mad that some people use that hes not as good as alonso gerrard and masch (3 of the best midfielders in the world) as stick to beat the him with

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

hes 22 years old and he does have talent anyway who cant see that is a clown, hes fourth choice give him a chance to develope his talent and get off his back, like someone said on here if he didnt give away that pen and free kick he wouldnt be getting anywhere near the stick hes getting

are things going that well that a kid has become the whipping boy??

No of course he is not as good and no one is expecting him to be yet but is he better than Spearing or any of the other many many youngsters in the aquad, in my opinions, and that of many others he is not and it's not fair that he is preventing Spearing et all from getting more opportunities. Lucas is not showing enough despite beign given a very decent amount of games to play in.

How do you know spearing is better in the prem than lucas ?

You again, same sh!t different day 

Will let Heimdall answer that as i already talked at length about my opinion yesterday.


Like a dog with a bone you are 

[GYBS]

its mad that some people use that hes not as good as alonso gerrard and masch (3 of the best midfielders in the world) as stick to beat the him with

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

hes 22 years old and he does have talent anyway who cant see that is a clown, hes fourth choice give him a chance to develope his talent and get off his back, like someone said on here if he didnt give away that pen and free kick he wouldnt be getting anywhere near the stick hes getting

are things going that well that a kid has become the whipping boy??

No of course he is not as good and no one is expecting him to be yet but is he better than Spearing or any of the other many many youngsters in the aquad, in my opinions, and that of many others he is not and it's not fair that he is preventing Spearing et all from getting more opportunities. Lucas is not showing enough despite beign given a very decent amount of games to play in.

How do you know spearing is better in the prem than lucas ?

You again, same sh!t different day 

Will let Heimdall answer that as i already talked at length about my opinion yesterday.


Like a dog with a bone you are 

well dont mind debating with yourself as you back up your opinion and it makes a good old debate 

[heimdall]

its mad that some people use that hes not as good as alonso gerrard and masch (3 of the best midfielders in the world) as stick to beat the him with

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

hes 22 years old and he does have talent anyway who cant see that is a clown, hes fourth choice give him a chance to develope his talent and get off his back, like someone said on here if he didnt give away that pen and free kick he wouldnt be getting anywhere near the stick hes getting

are things going that well that a kid has become the whipping boy??

No of course he is not as good and no one is expecting him to be yet but is he better than Spearing or any of the other many many youngsters in the aquad, in my opinions, and that of many others he is not and it's not fair that he is preventing Spearing et all from getting more opportunities. Lucas is not showing enough despite beign given a very decent amount of games to play in.

How do you know spearing is better in the prem than lucas ?

this is maybe a childish answer but how do you know that he isn't better? The point I'm making is that he deserves a chance especially since Lucas is not exactly convincing the majority of fans.

[GYBS]

i know cause i have seen spearing play quite a lot in the ressies , so now your turn to answer .

[heimdall]

i know cause i have seen spearing play quite a lot in the ressies , so now your turn to answer .

Oh now that is just depressing, so Spearing is worse than Lucas then. We're doomed if that is all the talent we have in midfield beyond Lucas. 
Makes you wonder what the point of the academy is if we can't produce someone better than Lucas. 

[Sabre]

i know cause i have seen spearing play quite a lot in the ressies , so now your turn to answer .

Oh now that is just depressing, so Spearing is worse than Lucas then. We're doomed if that is all the talent we have in midfield beyond Lucas. 
Makes you wonder what the point of the academy is if we can't produce someone better than Lucas. 

It's a football academy not a cookies factory.

If you analyse teams of football that based his squads on the youth systems like Nantes in France, you might check that a year with A player making it to the first division was a good year.

In Liverpool, the competition for a position due to the strenght of many of the positions makes it very difficult for youth players to reach the first team. It happens in mega big clubs. Look Arbeloa, a Real Madrid product, that had to prove his luck elsewhere because he never had a chance (now more than Madrid journo regrets it and gives stick to the board because of it).

Also Heimdall, not every local future players can be as good as Gerrard. The Gerrards are seen once a decade if you are lucky. There are other players who you can't write off from the start, and you have to give them patience and support.

Spearing is a lucky guy for what he has achieved so far and we don't have to be impatient with him. As for Lucas, sometimes he has been poor yes, but sometimes more than decent, and I feel as if those decent games are not noted.

Why? Because Mascherano and Gerrard and Alonso are top quality midfielders and when they're not available that's noticed. Lucas has the doom of trying to make us forgeting about the other's quality. That's difficult for him or anyone.

[GYBS]

what you fail to understand is they are both young lads that both have plenty of potential to become very good players for us . Lucas just shades spearing with his experience and composure on the ball where as spearing is still a little raw and rushed , plenty of time for both of them to develop .

And like i said we werent doomed when lucas playewd against madrid or manure were we

[woof woof !]

its mad that some people use that hes not as good as alonso gerrard and masch (3 of the best midfielders in the world) as stick to beat the him with

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

hes 22 years old and he does have talent anyway who cant see that is a clown, hes fourth choice give him a chance to develope his talent and get off his back, like someone said on here if he didnt give away that pen and free kick he wouldnt be getting anywhere near the stick hes getting

are things going that well that a kid has become the whipping boy??

Well the thread certainly wasn't started ( almost a year ago now) with the intention of turning Lucas into a whipping boy . I merely suggested that I didn't think he was good enough to have any real future with us.

As for

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

Yes mate I seriously suggest it. Anyone would think you've never heard of rotation.

Also if Rafa continues to play Gerrard in support of Torres I see lots of opportunities for Mascherano, Alonso and another central midfielder to get regular football , if that other turned out to be Barry he's also more than adept at playing at left mid.

[Ace Ventura]

what you fail to understand is they are both young lads that both have plenty of potential to become very good players for us . Lucas just shades spearing with his experience and composure on the ball where as spearing is still a little raw and rushed , plenty of time for both of them to develop .

And like i said we werent doomed when lucas playewd against madrid or manure were we

Lucas has far more experience without doubt, but i do not think for one minute he has better composure.
Spearing has been brought up playing football in England where you know that you have to be able to handle a challenge coming in as soon as the ball is received.
I watched the reserves last night and they were beaten comfortably by Sunderland who are easily top, Spearing didnt have one of his better games if i am honest but still when closed down quickly gives it simple and moves into a position to get it back.

I am certain he has better composure than Lucas.

[GYBS]

That last bit you mention about giving the ball simple and looking to get it back is a lot of what lucas gets slagged off for - because he just plays the ball 5 yards simple and looks for nice 1-2s

[akumaface]

Totally agreed that Spearing can do the same as Lucas. Lucas has had the most opportunity to play (amoung all of our young players). The fact that he played more bad games than good must have indicated something right? He did played a couple of good games for us but what about the mistake he had made in the bad ones. I mean this kind of mistake are keep happening. This is what worries me that I don't think he can cut it in EPL. The pace is simply too fast for him. He would play better somewhere in the Italian league. If Fafa could find someone interested in him, i would say sell him as he is not hard to replace. If in fact we could get Barry for 8 million, you all have to agree that he is an upgrade over Lucas for sure.

Saying that Barry would be a better option is really just stating the bleeding obvious as GB is a seasoned international and LL is still wet behind the ears - the price difference last summer would have been 12m+ quid FFS

Lucas  IS a decent/good all round midfielder, which means he can come in and "do a job" when any of our 3 main CMs is missing for whatever reason - and he has the potential to get better (in fact i doubt anyone older / better would be happy to play the bit-part like Lucas does)

Well, the obvious now is that Barry only cost 8 million and not 18million. What's wrong with getting him playing as a rotated midfielder, he can also play left back and left midfield. He would be a good fit for Rafa's system. Provided that not in the expense of Alonso, i believe we will be stronger if in fact GB comes next season. I would go for him anytime over Lucas. I stated GB and not someone else like Kaka as there is a real possibility of GB coming. The price difference this year is realistic. Unless you are stupid enough to pay last year price for him and maybe you will. Who know. So, mentioning how much he would have cost last year is pointless. Last year was last year and that would be the bleeding obvious.

Again you are ignoring the fact that he played more bad games than good. And the word "potential" really is misleading as there is no way to know if his so called potential has already peaked. The fact that he is younger doesn't mean anything. If anyone implying younger has more potential then i suppose we should recruit more babies...

YOu suggested that lucas is a decent/good all round midfielder that can come in and do a job when any of our 3 main cms is missing for whatever reason, why do we have to settle on "do a job" and why not "do an excellent job or better job". Why not let Rafa handle how to make the players happy. I believe many here would not have agreed that Lucas is a decent all around midfielder. He can't tackle, he can't shoot, he can't pass, he has no speed and he foul people too many times. The fact is that he had caused us more points than getting. I'm just saying he is not suitable to play in the EPL. His physique and style doesn't fit. His potential may have a better chance being reached somewhere else.

[akumaface]

its mad that some people use that hes not as good as alonso gerrard and masch (3 of the best midfielders in the world) as stick to beat the him with

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

hes 22 years old and he does have talent anyway who cant see that is a clown, hes fourth choice give him a chance to develope his talent and get off his back, like someone said on here if he didnt give away that pen and free kick he wouldnt be getting anywhere near the stick hes getting

are things going that well that a kid has become the whipping boy??

Well the thread certainly wasn't started ( almost a year ago now) with the intention of turning Lucas into a whipping boy . I merely suggested that I didn't think he was good enough to have any real future with us.

As for

seriously do people suggest we go out and buy a world class midfielder for 20 million to replace him as 4th choice or get in the team and put alonso or masch on the bench, how would that improve us??

Yes mate I seriously suggest it. Anyone would think you've never heard of rotation.

Also if Rafa continues to play Gerrard in support of Torres I see lots of opportunities for Mascherano, Alonso and another central midfielder to get regular football , if that other turned out to be Barry he's also more than adept at playing at left mid.

I'm with you on this one. Our squad doesn't have as much depth as the Man U or Chelsea. Look at their Midfielders. Man U they have Scholes, Giggs, Anderson, Carrick, Hargreaves (injured), Fletcher. Chelsea has ballack, deco, lampard, Essien, Mikel and We have Mascher, Alonso, Gerrard and Lucas. Why can't we do better? The fact that Lucas isn't showing us anything and causing us games would suggest that we should improve on this as if without either one of our main 3 cm in an extended time, we would be in trouble. So, if we have additional resources, we should do something here as I think Lucas would be more suitable to be our 5th Midfielder  or 6th or 7th.

[ignorance is bliss]

lucas will be fine on the beach in brazil but not here in the premier league

[Bam]

I don't believe that Rafa will look to get Barry in the summer, and I don't believe the speculation mentioned on here is true, regarding the sale of Alonso to Madrid.

It's nice to here the xperts on here can read Rafa's mind and know what Madrid are going to summer.

The concept of speculation is not compatible with the concept of knowing something for sure.

By definition, if I was able to read Rafa's mind, I wouldn't need to speculate at all.

So once that incongruence is sorted out, you're free of course to be skeptical about it.

I'm simply letting the boards know what the media is saying around here, what's the atmosphere like, and it looks like they're going to knock at Anfield's door.

I'd be interested to know though, why you think Rafa won't look to get Barry. Barry hasn't renewed his contract in his current club, and that's surely because he thinks he can continue his career better elsewhere? I reckon that being his team captain that move must be important in order he leaves.

Plus, Rafa seemed very píssed off when he Barry wasn't eventually signed, so I don't see why he wouldn't be interested one year later.

'Speculation mentioned on here is true' - Here as in these boards not one person, not picking or singleing anyone out in particular.

'reading Rafa's mind' was in a different context to the sentence above  it applied to a different demographic, well maybe an individual, hence the paragraph.

I can understand how arduous it maybe to pick the nuances of English. But still, if I was capable of being literate in another tongue (like yourself) I would be delighted to even comprehend the basic mechanics of that language.

You would not want the opinion of a 'cockney glory hunting dog' who's posts are 'inept' and does not understand football because he has not been to as many live RS games. My opinion would be folly to you and would be wasted in effort I feel.

[tubby]

You said all that but you still didn't answer the question Bam. Why do you think Rafa will not try for Barry in the summer?

PS No need for you and Sabre to get down each others throats. This isn't a dic.k measuring contest.