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by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:58 am

We will struggle against these if the ref decides to disallow a perfectly good early goal again.

It will be a test in my opinion, as it's these terrible teams we have always found the most difficult to beat.

FWIW, Babel would be as much use as a trouser press at a cripple-convention against a team that sits back.

by **Toffeehater** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:13 am

Bad Bob wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:He's gotten to be given a go up there to see what he's made off , he wants to play thee give him a try and rafa has brought him on as a sub there before

Nah. What he's "got" to do is shut his gob, get his head down in training, bide his time on the bench and, when he eventually comes on as a sub, focus on making a telling contribution. If he does that 4 or 5 matches in a row as a sub he might earn the right to lead the line in our first FA Cup match, when we opt to rest Torres. Based on current form and attitude, he hasn't remotely earned the right to start and I'd have serious reservations about partnering him with Torres even if he were doing the business.

If i was getting a bit part role too i would be annoyed , i know babel should have kept quiet but he does have a point as well . He's done well so far this season coming on as a sub and he played decent against spurs where the whole team lacked fludity and drive but we scored from 2 of his corners . Lets see what he is made off and throw him upfront for a change where he feels he is the best . He's not a left winger and why rafa persists on playing him there only god knows .

I guess we see things differently then, mate, because for me:

1) the team's doing just fine without him starting and I don't think messing with a winning formula to accommodate one player makes any sense whatsoever

2) his form this season has been decent at best and dire at worst, which means that I don't think he's earned himself a start. In particular, I found his performance against Spurs in the cup to be fairly poor. He put in two crosses that a competent keeper would have dealt with and otherwise did virtually nothing. As a senior player fighting for a place in Rafa's first-choice 11, it was a fairly insipid performance, TBPH, a not one we should be rewarding with a starting role.

Team doing fine without him yes i agree on that but don't forget it was babel's goal which gave us our first win over manchester united and i recall he played superb when brought on . Maybe like you said for now he should be used as an impact sub , i agree but its time to see what he can do upfront . Those Corner deliveries were better and resulted in goals . Our set piece takers for corners are usually poor the odd goal once in a while but apart from that we waste the opportunities .

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:17 am

heimdall wrote:he'll probably start N'Gog, that lads class and proven up front

Or, maybe he'll start Torres, Keane or Kuyt up top like he's done all season, with significant success?

And, I wish someone would explain to me where all this "we should give Babel a game at striker" nonsense is coming from? We're joint leaders and have a settled side--something most people have been wanting to see for ages--and just because poor Ryan Babel doesn't like riding pine, we should chuck that all out the window and give him a go? Do me a favour. :no

by **Toffeehater** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:20 am

Just saying if keane does not make why not give babel a try upfront , him and torres have terrific pace and that would surely be worrying for any defenders . Fulham is a game we should be looking to win even without gerrard and i think babel and torres upfront won't have a detrimental effect even though he's inconsistent and its the first time they are playing together

by **aCe'** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:42 am

If keane isnt playing i reaally think we should push Kuyt uptop and play either Pennant or Benny down the right... Babel will probably come on early on in the second half if he doesnt start down the left... Riera played 90 mins for spain if im not wrong and dont think Rafa will keep him on for the full 90 mins...

Hope we dont go for Lucas,Mascherano,Alonso in the middle cause that would be too negative against a side like fulham... With Mascherano and Alonso in the middle i thhink we can do with a little bit of width and definitely 2 upfront for me... i'd go for this lineup..

Reina

Arbeloa Carragher Agger Aurelio

Pennant Alonso Mascherano Riera
/Benny

Kuyt Torresssssssssss

by **aCe'** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:06 am

hey by the way...does Brazilian Mancini look like Robbie Williams or wat ?!

by **CHN-kop** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:32 am

4:0
F9（2）,K7&K18

by **GYBS** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:49 am

Toffeehater wrote:Just saying if keane does not make why not give babel a try upfront , him and torres have terrific pace and that would surely be worrying for any defenders . Fulham is a game we should be looking to win even without gerrard and i think babel and torres upfront won't have a detrimental effect even though he's inconsistent and its the first time they are playing together

Two strikers with pace isnt normally a good thing mate - one with pace and one with intelligence works so much better . babel does have pace but so far doesnt have the intelligence to go with that pace .

by **stmichael** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:07 pm

Well Gerrard is definitely out and will probably miss the Marseill game aswell.

It shouldn't really metter though at the end of the day. Fulham have scored twice in five away games this season and it's not exactly as if we've been shipping goals recently.

I really fancy Torres to nick a couple in a 2-0 win.

by **JoeTerp** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:20 pm

I predict someone to get on the end of a Riera cross

by **GYBS** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:33 pm

with gerrard out can see 4-4-2

------------------------Pepe------------------------

Arbeloa----------Carra---------Agger---------Aurelio

Kuyt------------Masher-------Xabi-----------Reira

----------------Keane-------Torres---------------

Subs- Cavaleri,Sami,Lucas,Babel,Yossi,El Zhar,Ngog.

If Rafa has any doubts about torres fitness or keane then would expect Lucas to come in and go 4-5-1.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:58 pm

GYBS wrote:with gerrard out can see 4-4-2

------------------------Pepe------------------------

Arbeloa----------Carra---------Agger---------Aurelio

Kuyt------------Masher-------Xabi-----------Reira

----------------Keane-------Torres---------------

Subs- Cavaleri,Sami,Lucas,Babel,Yossi,El Zhar,Ngog.

If Rafa has any doubts about torres fitness or keane then would expect Lucas to come in and go 4-5-1.

that team should be more than good enough to beat Fulham easily. I'd go with that team ...

... 4 - 0 win (Torres 3, Riera)

by **redhayesy** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:47 pm

redsince2001 wrote:a win will do ..fine !
don care about the score.

totally agree mate, 3 points is the main thing. it would be brilliant if we get the chance to close the gap on GD, but as long as we concentrate on our own performance, & let the others feel the presure we are putting on them points wise the better for us imho.

i"m confident that the form we are in at the moment we will get a result against fulham, the form alonso is in we can create more than enough chances to ensure victory.

COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS!!

by **April** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:18 pm

to me,maybe kuyt will get together with torres,3 point is important,rafa will give the chance to benayoun,who was unhappy to be putted aside.

if we don't goal smoothly,keane or babel will come off the bench to save our team.

by **GYBS** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:20 pm

Rafa wont put someone into the team just cause they are having a whinge

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