Ryan Babel - What do you think ?

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Postby Igor Zidane » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:32 pm

bigmick wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Kuyt , Babel , Lucas , Dossena , Benayoun. We are unbeaten and joint top inspight of these players , is that right?

We are Igor and we've made a good start. Fortunately we have a viable alternative to all the players mentioned with the possible exception of Kuyt. I have absolutely no doubts though that if Benayoun, Lucas, Babel, Kuyt and Dossena had started every game it wouldn't be so.

All that said, they didn't start every game and it is so so all is good.


I've said lots of times that I actually think we've got a very good bunch of players and we've got real chances of doing things this season. One or two of the fringe blokes are not good enough IMHO, but by and large we've got the makings of a very good team.

IMHO like the two previous seasons we are plenty good enough to launch a genuine title challenge. We didn't in either case for a variety of reasons IMHO which in the interests of not clogging up the thread I won't go into here. Hopefully we've learnt from it and this time we'll challenge, we're plenty good enough to do so.

I agree mick , but what i'm trying to get at is this.

These players have contributed in varying degrees to our start in all comps . This will indeed be a long old season ,and if we are going to realistically challenge for the title mainly and other comps . We are going to need these players ,because although rafa has seemingly stopped styling to the degree he has in the past. Players are still going to get injured or tired or lose form or whatever . We can't just right these players of as (not you ) sh!t or not good enough to wear the shirt blah blah blah . They will have to contribute this season if we are going to be successful.
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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:35 pm

Benayoun scored two hat-tricks last season and scored a few other goals. Nani scored how many goals? Oh, but he's a lot better because he cost 17 million quid.
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Postby Kharhaz » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:36 pm

Emerald Red wrote:Benayoun scored two hat-tricks last season and scored a few other goals. Nani scored how many goals? Oh, but he's a lot better because he cost 17 million quid.

Because hes younger and has time to improve  :D
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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:40 pm

Kharhaz wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Benayoun scored two hat-tricks last season and scored a few other goals. Nani scored how many goals? Oh, but he's a lot better because he cost 17 million quid.

Because hes younger and has time to improve  :D

Who, Ryan Babel?
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Postby Kharhaz » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:48 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Benayoun scored two hat-tricks last season and scored a few other goals. Nani scored how many goals? Oh, but he's a lot better because he cost 17 million quid.

Because hes younger and has time to improve  :D

Who, Ryan Babel?

No, the scummy player. It ties in though with what I have said before. Rafa has to get it right first time with his signings while the others have the luxury of time. I like Babel, I think he is going to get better and better. And I dont think he is our modern day "supersub", he has the ability to change a match, but perhaps the way we play is interfering with Babel's ability. When he comes on its usually to see us through whats left of the game, and many times he has come good. Theres no complicated instructions, theres no restriction on what he has to do, its a case of 15 mins to go get forward when you can ! He is a forward player and must be played as so.
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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:44 am

Emerald Red wrote:Benayoun scored two hat-tricks last season and scored a few other goals. Nani scored how many goals? Oh, but he's a lot better because he cost 17 million quid.

Whoever said Nani's a good player?

The lads rediculously overated, but he gets his game and scores the odd screamer. I do actually believe he's the same level of player as Babel, the fact is though he's playing in a far better side surrounded by far better players all over the pitch.

Infact I can't think for the life of me who mentioned Nani anywhere, so whats that got to do with anything? ???
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Postby maguskwt » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:02 am

bigmick wrote:IMHO like the two previous seasons we are plenty good enough to launch a genuine title challenge. We didn't in either case for a variety of reasons IMHO which in the interests of not clogging up the thread I won't go into here. Hopefully we've learnt from it and this time we'll challenge, we're plenty good enough to do so.

a variety of reasons? I thought it was because of rotation?  :D  :p
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Postby LegBarnes » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:37 am

NANNY RED wrote:Just got to say that who ever is comparing Babel with Fowler is way off the mark . Not even in the same class . Different type of player completly. Different mentality and attitude towards the game. Robbie Fowler was a one off maybe in a couple of years Babel will get somewhere near the football ability and brain that Fowler had but imo nothing like him

Aye true nanny I don't meen by any strech that babel is better then fowler no ways because they are different type of players.

Fowler was a preditor he didn't have great pace but no one could touch him with his finishing and heading.

What I meen is that chance babel had in 2nd half I see it so many times now was a catch 22 chance.

If he hit it softer and tryed to place it he would have taken longer to reach ball and keeper would have saved it easyer , only chance he had was to hit with power due to lack of time he had.

Of course when you hit the ball with power at any time you lose alot of placement and leave it in the lap of the gods.

I do think the keeper just made a really good save.

Any ways I feel you all forget some times how little time you have in football some times to make these choices of power or placement as a striker.

Ask your self this tho if he had gone for placement and keeper grabed the ball would you all had been screaming "babel why didn't you just hit it with power".

I think most of you would.  :D
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Postby bigmick » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:35 am

maguskwt wrote:
bigmick wrote:IMHO like the two previous seasons we are plenty good enough to launch a genuine title challenge. We didn't in either case for a variety of reasons IMHO which in the interests of not clogging up the thread I won't go into here. Hopefully we've learnt from it and this time we'll challenge, we're plenty good enough to do so.

a variety of reasons? I thought it was because of rotation?  :D  :p

There are a variety of reasons. Chief amongst those was a lack of consistency, and the tendency to go on extended bliiiiiiiiiips. Secondly, we showed a lack of fluency on occasions, and during our bad spells had extreme difficulty finding any discernable rhythm. Throughout the team our partnerships didn't function well enough (with the notable exception of gerrard and Torres) whilst at crucial moments we lacked the collective motivation, belief and team spirit to turn draws into wins.

It would of course be true to say that all of the above is made worse as a direct result of excessive rotation, you're quite right in that sense :D .
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Postby maguskwt » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:54 am

bigmick wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
bigmick wrote:IMHO like the two previous seasons we are plenty good enough to launch a genuine title challenge. We didn't in either case for a variety of reasons IMHO which in the interests of not clogging up the thread I won't go into here. Hopefully we've learnt from it and this time we'll challenge, we're plenty good enough to do so.

a variety of reasons? I thought it was because of rotation?

There are a variety of reasons. Chief amongst those was a lack of consistency, and the tendency to go on extended bliiiiiiiiiips. Secondly, we showed a lack of fluency on occasions, and during our bad spells had extreme difficulty finding any discernable rhythm. Throughout the team our partnerships didn't function well enough (with the notable exception of gerrard and Torres) whilst at crucial moments we lacked the collective motivation, belief and team spirit to turn draws into wins.

It would of course be true to say that all of the above is made worse as a direct result of excessive rotation, you're quite right in that sense :D .

ahhhh....  :D  :D

I sense a bit of stubborness there but...both the dark side and the light side uses the force after all...  :D
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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:24 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Just got to say that who ever is comparing Babel with Fowler is way off the mark . Not even in the same class . Different type of player completly. Different mentality and attitude towards the game. Robbie Fowler was a one off maybe in a couple of years Babel will get somewhere near the football ability and brain that Fowler had but imo nothing like him

Aye true nanny I don't meen by any strech that babel is better then fowler no ways because they are different type of players.

Fowler was a preditor he didn't have great pace but no one could touch him with his finishing and heading.

What I meen is that chance babel had in 2nd half I see it so many times now was a catch 22 chance.

If he hit it softer and tryed to place it he would have taken longer to reach ball and keeper would have saved it easyer , only chance he had was to hit with power due to lack of time he had.

Of course when you hit the ball with power at any time you lose alot of placement and leave it in the lap of the gods.

I do think the keeper just made a really good save.

Any ways I feel you all forget some times how little time you have in football some times to make these choices of power or placement as a striker.

Ask your self this tho if he had gone for placement and keeper grabed the ball would you all had been screaming "babel why didn't you just hit it with power".

I think most of you would.  :D

So you don't think the run could have been timed differently?

So you don't think he could have took a touch away from the keeper after faking a shot?

You don't think he could have timed his run to be closer at the far post?

You don't think he could have got up the defenders :censored: and anticipated the miss earlier to have the angle already opened?

You don't think he could have tried a snap shot?

You don't think he could have let the ball run across his body and stick a toe out?

How clueless are you lad?

The fact is, a different player would have made the angle, would have made the keeper move, would have read the ball better and got into a position where he can finish it. Thats what you fail to comprehend completely. There are alot of possibilities, loads infact, but the fact you're to stupid to see it shows it all about your "understanding" of the game.

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Postby GYBS » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:55 pm

Fo Dne you make is sound so easy as a footballer - If its all that easy why arent you a pro or a manager ? you seem to think you know more than them .
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Postby Yooj Bigullz » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:58 pm

GYBS wrote:Fo Dne you make is sound so easy as a footballer - If its all that easy why arent you a pro or a manager ? you seem to think you know more than them .

It is a simple game though
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Postby GYBS » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:00 pm

In theory its simple but practically its never simple.
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Postby mistyred » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:53 pm

18 pages later. Nutters :D
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