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by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:32 pm

Good win over a tricky side.

Let's hope others' results go our way from now on.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:32 pm

You're just showing your ignorance again, lad.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:33 pm

metalhead wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
peewee wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
peewee wrote:excellent performance, last season or earlier this season we would have struggled in this game as rafa would have tried to work out how we could avoid defeat and not concentrate on winning. it seems he has finally grasped the concept of letting the oppo worry about our quality and its paying dividends, added to the end of ludicrous over rotation and breaking the spine of the team every week we are finally starting to look good, if only he sussed this earlier in the season, or sussed it last season even and we could be sitting pretty at the top tonight

Peewee, not wanting to argue after a great result but Rafa's rotating every bit as much as he was earlier in the season (see the debate in the rotation thread). This notion that he's "seen the light" is a myth, mate--we're just playing much more like we are capable of.

i agree he is rotating bob, read my post properly and you will see i say 'over rotating and breaking up the spine of the team'. he is still making changes but we are not seeing the likes of torres warming the bench, this is the point i am making

Okay, so define "over rotating" as he's averaging 4 changes a game of late.

As for spine of the team, well he hasn't touched the keeper or CBs for months. In central midfield, however, he's played Lucas and Sissoko at Newcastle, Gerrard and Mascherano against Porto and Gerrard and Lucas today. That's some significant shuffling of the spine in my book. Up top he's played Torres and Kuyt at Newcastle, Torres and Voronin against Porto and Torres and Crouch today. Again, some significant shuffling of the spine unless, of course, rotation only becomes a problem if Torres doesn't play.

Sorry Badbob, but he hasn't rotated our key players that should play every game.

Torres and Gerrard are key players who should play every game because they make a massive difference to our side.

And they do, mate. Gerrard has only failed to start two games all season that he was fit to play in--the Portsmouth match, where his toe was still bothering him (his words), and the Carling Cup match vs. Cardiff.

Torres has not started 6 matches all season that he was fit to play in: the two CL qualifiers against Toulouse (didn't need him, did we?), the much-discussed Portsmouth and Birmingham matches in the league, and the 8-0 Besiktas game (available but still recovering from his groin injury) and the 2-0 against Fulham (where Rafa opted to keep the same side but brought him on in the 2nd half, to good effect).

So, apart from the Portsmouth and Birmingham games, it's hard to quibble with how Rafa has used Torres.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:34 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:Good win over a tricky side.

Let's hope others' results go our way from now on.

I thought your prediction of 5 -0 was going to come true today mate, but for some idiot getting his head in the way of Babels shot it would have!

by **ConnO'var** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:34 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:Good win over a tricky side.

Let's hope others' results go our way from now on.

Agree....

That's all thats important right now.

Anyone else notice how much better Riise has been lately now that Harry's back?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:35 pm

s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Good win over a tricky side.

Let's hope others' results go our way from now on.

I thought your prediction of 5 -0 was going to come true today mate, but for some idiot getting his head in the way of Babels shot it would have!

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:38 pm

peewee wrote:
ivor_the_injun wrote:Torres was injured during our very dodgy spell, and both Gerrard and Carragher were both incredibly shaky after their respective injuries. That's 3 of your spine.

so thanks for proving my point, these 3 players are a must for every game and should not dropped or pushed out to left or the right in the hope that it will work, and especially do not fob us off with some bollox that birmnigham will sit deep so torres cant play against them

No, they were either injured or playing incredibly poorly during our shaky period. That's the difference between then and now, and it doesn't just apply to those three.

The rotation of the personnel remains pretty much unaltered. We just have far fewer passengers in the starting line-ups now.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:40 pm

peewee wrote:
ivor_the_injun wrote:Torres was injured during our very dodgy spell, and both Gerrard and Carragher were both incredibly shaky after their respective injuries. That's 3 of your spine.

so thanks for proving my point, these 3 players are a must for every game and should not dropped or pushed out to left or the right in the hope that it will work, and especially do not fob us off with some bollox that birmnigham will sit deep so torres cant play against them

But Gerrard was pushed out to the right just two matches ago, in Newcastle. A game that also featured Sissoko at CM and Kuyt up front. Are you telling me that you felt that that was a sensible team selection?

BTW, the team selections and real rotation numbers match by match are now up in the rotation thread if you have any interest in talking about facts rather than myth.

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:44 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
peewee wrote:
ivor_the_injun wrote:Torres was injured during our very dodgy spell, and both Gerrard and Carragher were both incredibly shaky after their respective injuries. That's 3 of your spine.

so thanks for proving my point, these 3 players are a must for every game and should not dropped or pushed out to left or the right in the hope that it will work, and especially do not fob us off with some bollox that birmnigham will sit deep so torres cant play against them

But Gerrard was pushed out to the right just two matches ago, in Newcastle. A game that also featured Sissoko at CM and Kuyt up front. Are you telling me that you felt that that was a sensible team selection?

BTW, the team selections and real rotation numbers match by match are now up in the rotation thread if you have any interest in talking about facts rather than myth.

lets talk when you have actually been a game eh bob then i might respect your views a little more

see i can make stupid comments as well :eyebrow

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:48 pm

Personally I would rather talk about Torres, another great goal today, and he could have had a couple more with a little luck. Set up a few good chances for others as well, that on another day would have gone in. Every time he gets the ball he looks dangerous at the moment.

I thought Crouch didn't have one of his best games, but won the penalty and certainly kept the Bolton back line busy.

I thought Lucas may have been overawed by Boltons physical game and pressure but he looked comfortable, got in some good tackles and seemed quite happy with the physical side. Looking good

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:49 pm

so maybe some of you would like to prove your points to me rather than demanding that i prove mine, i have explained why we were poor and you have explained why we were poor, difference of opinion, just mine seems more logical.

blip my *rse, bad management cost us earlier in the season, just as it has the last few seasons and every season rafa suddenly wakes up and realises wat needs to be done, and if you trawl back through the forum you will see me saying exactly what has happened here to start getting results.

but hey, peewee knows nothing about football

now i am enjoying watching you all make out it was something other than what it actually was

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:51 pm

s@int wrote:Personally I would rather talk about Torres, another great goal today, and he could have had a couple more with a little luck. Set up a few good chances for others as well, that on another day would have gone in. Every time he gets the ball he looks dangerous at the moment.

I thought Crouch didn't have one of his best games, but won the penalty and certainly kept the Bolton back line busy.

I thought Lucas may have been overawed by Boltons physical game and pressure but he looked comfortable, got in some good tackles and seemed quite happy with the physical side. Looking good

torres is class saint and just makes a mockery of the decisions to leave him out or leave him on the bench, he is the potent threat but is unbelievable that at times this season we have entrusted kuyt to get us goals while torres is dropped, sorry rotated

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:54 pm

goodnight gentlemen, i am bored now listening to excuses and i will sleep as i have an early start tomorrow.

lets just rejoice in quality football being played and a manager getting it right at last, although no doubt we will start next season in the same way with negative tactics and over rotation). maybe his b*llocking put him in his place and made him realise that he has overdone the experimenting and made him realise the owners are not stupid, we are playing with rafas squad no so no more excuses

onwards and upwards

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:55 pm

Peewee we have only failed to score in two league games , both of which Torres didn't play in. Portsmouth game he was coming back after an injury so is maybe acceptable. Birmingham, it was a mistake not to play him in hindsight, but ffs Birmingham....... we should have been able to beat them even without Torres.

The difference at the moment is we arn't relying on people like Kuyt to score mate , nothing to do with rotation. (just read your reply mate , great minds think alike

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by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:00 pm

Baby's tired...

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