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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:49 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:
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ivor_the_injun wrote:Torres was injured during our very dodgy spell, and both Gerrard and Carragher were both incredibly shaky after their respective injuries. That's 3 of your spine.

so thanks for proving my point, these 3 players are a must for every  game and should not dropped or pushed out to left or the right in the hope that it will work, and especially do not fob us off with some bollox that birmnigham will sit deep so torres cant play against them

But Gerrard was pushed out to the right just two matches ago, in Newcastle.  A game that also featured Sissoko at CM and Kuyt up front.  Are you telling me that you felt that that was a sensible team selection? ???

BTW, the team selections and real rotation numbers match by match are now up in the rotation thread if you have any interest in talking about facts rather than myth.

lets talk when you have actually been a game eh bob then i might respect your views a little more


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That's not exactly what I'd call a good argument.

FFS we've just mullered a side that turned over the champions, and are capable of giving any team a game. The starting 11 was rotated substantially from midweek, and equally as substantially from our last Prem game. If you think the last 5 games are evidence that Rafa's policy on selection are to be questioned, then you're off your f*cking nut. Anyone reading about the games the day after in braille would get that.

When we weren't scoring, that's because our players weren't scoring. No conspiracy. Since our slump, we've had goals from Benayoun on the right, and Babel on the left and right. Kewell's had his hand in a goal or two since his return. Gerrard's set-pieces are suddenly finding their range, so we're seeing Kuyt put them in off his knee, and Sami stick his nut on one or two as well. These are all things that weren't happening in October. Rafa can't coach these things or select these players and make them occur - they either happen or they don't, and in my view it's entirely a form thing.

Today was the most recent example of Rafa using much the same personnel, but with the personnel making more use of their respective talents. Kewell and Lucas aside, it's a line-up we've probably seen before this season, but we currently look far more potent. That's due to our current good form and the fact that the players featuring are free of injury, and not some new selection policy. The fact that our new signings are all well bedded in now doesn't hurt either.

it was a sign of playing with a consistent spine and not overthinking the tactics, we played our game, we neevr played to counter boltons game and that was one of the things rafa has been getting wrong
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:51 pm

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peewee wrote:blip my *rse, bad management cost us earlier in the season, just as it has the last few seasons and every season rafa suddenly wakes up and realises wat needs to be done

And what would that be, then?  Seriously, Peewee, look at the numbers I've posted in the rotation thread.  Look at the team selections listed.  When you do, you'll see that Rafa has not adjusted his policy towards rotation one iota.  So, he's not woken up and realized anything--he's stuck to his guns no matter what was happening.  You don't even have to be a regular match goer to see it, mate.  :;):

well we have to agree to disagree bob, i think rafa has changed his policy, yes he is making changes but not ridiculous changes like earlier, but the biggest change has been that he is now letting us play football and letting them worry about us for a change
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:56 pm

s@int wrote:Peewee we have only failed to score in two league games , both of which Torres didn't play in. Portsmouth game he was coming back after an injury so is maybe acceptable. Birmingham, it was a mistake not to play him in hindsight, but ffs Birmingham....... we should have been able to beat them even without Torres.

The difference at the moment is we arn't relying on people like Kuyt to score mate , nothing to do with rotation. (just read your reply mate , great minds think alike  :D  )

:D  great minds indeed saint, even our friend with his two little snide comments in the thread can not get into my great mind.

the proof is there for all to see what has changed, if you dont want to see it thats ok, you need to do that to justify your arguments over the course of this season, obviously i never expected anyone to back down
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Postby Bad Bob » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:01 am

peewee wrote:
s@int wrote:Peewee we have only failed to score in two league games , both of which Torres didn't play in. Portsmouth game he was coming back after an injury so is maybe acceptable. Birmingham, it was a mistake not to play him in hindsight, but ffs Birmingham....... we should have been able to beat them even without Torres.

The difference at the moment is we arn't relying on people like Kuyt to score mate , nothing to do with rotation. (just read your reply mate , great minds think alike  :D  )

:D  great minds indeed saint, even our friend with his two little snide comments in the thread can not get into my great mind.

the proof is there for all to see what has changed, if you dont want to see it thats ok, you need to do that to justify your arguments over the course of this season, obviously i never expected anyone to back down

The proof is there in the team selections for all to see that NOTHING has changed on Rafa's part.  Once you accept that, you'll achieve true enlightenment grasshopper.  :D
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Postby Scottbot » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:03 am

peewee wrote:we have started to play our football and not to counter the other team and we are reaping the rewards for that and playing some quality football

Really not sure sure what you mean by this mate or how how you know that is the case?

It does strike me that you have backed yourself into a corner somewhat because your attacks on Bentiez's management have been sustained, full of strong words and quite harsh (in my opinion) at times. Now that things are looking up (for what it's worth i still don't believe we will win the title) you're copping flak and don't really have anywhere to go with the criticism. I would suggest a bit of credit where it's due. We're winning football matches, some of them comfortably and the manager deserves some praise. It's not simply a case of Rafa making a mess of it before and now he's realised he was going about it all the wrong way and, HAY PRESTO!!! we're winning football games again, "told you".

If poeple really want to know why we are winning football matches again i'd say it's pretty simple.

- We look solid at the back, we're not conceding, and more importantly, not conceding the first goal.

- Our wing play has improved considerably with Kewell's return and both Yossi and Babel are playing well. 

- Our best striker is fit and firing.

- Our Captain is back in the form of his life.

- Carra is back on song.

Is the manager doing anything different? Not for me, business as usual in my eyes. We're winning games because PLAYERS are PLAYING BETTER.
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Postby europian-kings » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:05 am

slightly off topic a little but look at this messgae i just got from rafa fan1

Listen, u fuker You may think that you're the European kings, but you're not. You're :censored: ! You were the European Kings back in the 70's/80's, but not anymore, I don't care about your fluke in 05. WE were first to enter Europe, and we were first to win the cup in 68, we are the true kings! We were the pioners, we are the most famous, we are the greatest.

17 years without a PL title....


hmmmmm......a manc in disguise.....wat an idiot lol.......
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Postby ivor_the_injun » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:08 am

peewee wrote:t was a sign of playing with a consistent spine and not overthinking the tactics, we played our game, we neevr played to counter boltons game and that was one of the things rafa has been getting wrong

See, this is where you're losing me.

Tactics mean absolutely nothing if your players play badly. When Mascherano and Gerrard pass the ball to the other side, that isn't Rafa's fault. You kind of understand it with Sissoko as his passing game is poor to begin with, but when your players stop doing the things they're supposed to be good at, that's when I think your constant anti-rotation prattle gets ridiculous.

It's like saying we conceded a penalty because of rotation, or that the referee gave a decision against us because of rotation. Things happen in games that nobody can plan for, live with it.

Torres or no Torres, the side we put out against Birmingham should have been good enough to win the game. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about that. I think you forget sometimes that we didn't have Torres before this season and we still managed to actually win games. Sides will sometimes shut us out though, even if we play the most outrageously attacking game. That's football.
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Postby redtrader74 » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:08 am

Scottbot wrote:
peewee wrote:we have started to play our football and not to counter the other team and we are reaping the rewards for that and playing some quality football

Really not sure sure what you mean by this mate or how how you know that is the case?

It does strike me that you have backed yourself into a corner somewhat because your attacks on Bentiez's management have been sustained, full of strong words and quite harsh (in my opinion) at times. Now that things are looking up (for what it's worth i still don't believe we will win the title) you're copping flak and don't really have anywhere to go with the criticism. I would suggest a bit of credit where it's due. We're winning football matches, some of them comfortably and the manager deserves some praise. It's not simply a case of Rafa making a mess of it before and now he's realised he was going about it all the wrong way and, HAY PRESTO!!! we're winning football games again, "told you".

If poeple really want to know why we are winning football matches again i'd say it's pretty simple.

- We look solid at the back, we're not conceding, and more importantly, not conceding the first goal.

- Our wing play has improved considerably with Kewell's return and both Yossi and Babel are playing well. 

- Our best striker is fit and firing.

- Our Captain is back in the form of his life.

- Carra is back on song.

Is the manager doing anything different? Not for me, business as usual in my eyes. We're winning games because PLAYERS are PLAYING BETTER.

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Postby The Manhattan Project » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:09 am

Great result.

Torres' goal was fantastic.
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Postby bittenByTheAnfieldBug » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:44 am

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/liverpool+bolton/video/x3nc9e_liverpool-bolton-1-0-but_sport
  Hyppia
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevan....t_sport
  (that was obviously Torres, nevermind the french guy)
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video....l_sport
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Postby Dundalk » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:14 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:Great result.

Torres' goal was fantastic.

A cracker

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Postby Kharhaz » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:19 am

Dundalk wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:Great result.

Torres' goal was fantastic.

A cracker

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It reminded me of the goals we scored against Forest, 5-0, perfect exhibition of football according to tom finney, when ray houghton and co seemed to just chip the ball over the keeper ! Lets hope those days are fast returning.
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Postby Dundalk » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:32 am

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:D :D :D
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Postby crazyhorse » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:32 am

I remember that game - that was as close to perfection as it got. Even Cloughie said we were amazing that day.
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Postby louiswyp » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:37 am

We will be the Champions
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