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A.B. wrote:

peewee wrote:neither are they sheffeld united.

the facts speak for themselves mate, we look like a team again, the players look like they have a clue, and the captain looks like a player again


you know it makes sense rafa

So why weren't any problems last year when he spent the entire season on the right?

Lando_Griffin wrote:If Gerrard plays CM instead of Sissoko vs Barca, we will get ripped to shreds.
Stevie lacks the discipline required in that role against the top teams.

My personal preference for the hard matches is:

                                    Reina

                   JC               Sami          Agger

Finnan                                                                     Riise
                                     Xabi
               Gerrard                              Momo

                             Bellamy 
                                           Kuyt.


That is one solid team.

Bamaga man wrote:Good point & post Peewee



































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Does exactly what it says on the tin, if you you play him in the middle.

kuytflying wrote:what about dropping xabi? i would do whatever it takes to keep gerard in the middle. momo would do the donkey work better than xabi to give stevie g the freedom he likes.
gerard can do anything that xabi can do, but xabi can't do the things momo does well. if any of that makes sense

Are you fucking stupid?

RichardLFC1 wrote:Since sissoko got injured Gerrard has played 6 times in the centr midfeild role. Has scored 3 times and had a shot deflected in for an own goal.

aCe' wrote:doesnt make sense...most of what you guys are saying....if you ask me.... Gerrard's best position is central midfield...
against strong opposition, you just cant play him there....not at the moment... i know he scored quite a few, and probably will add some more before the barcelona tie.. but against barca...playin him and momo, or him and Xabi is just not an option...
the way i see it... play

                                  Reina
Finnan           Carragher          Agger          Riise

                      Alonso           Sissoko
Pennant                                                  Garcia
                       Gerrard
                                   Kuyt

Another thicko...

Steven Gerrard is excellent in the tackle, he works hard and he's very very good alround. So why take away 50 percent of his game playing him infront of a midfield?

People used to bang on about "stiffling" his game and only getting half his game out of him playing the holding role for england, now you're on about doing exactly the same (stiffling the defensive side) of his by playing him in an attacking role?

Get a grip ya tool.

He's a midfielder. Not a free role player.

STR_18+5 wrote:

aCe' wrote:doesnt make sense...most of what you guys are saying....if you ask me.... Gerrard's best position is central midfield...
against strong opposition, you just cant play him there....not at the moment... i know he scored quite a few, and probably will add some more before the barcelona tie.. but against barca...playin him and momo, or him and Xabi is just not an option...
the way i see it... play

                                  Reina
Finnan           Carragher          Agger          Riise

                      Alonso           Sissoko
Pennant                                                  Garcia
                       Gerrard
                                   Kuyt

Another thicko...

Steven Gerrard is excellent in the tackle, he works hard and he's very very good alround. So why take away 50 percent of his game playing him infront of a midfield?

People used to bang on about "stiffling" his game and only getting half his game out of him playing the holding role for england, now you're on about doing exactly the same (stiffling the defensive side) of his by playing him in an attacking role?

Get a grip ya tool.

He's a midfielder. Not a free role player.

ey smart a$s ! ur playing barcelona not wigan athletic ! think for a sec ! gerrard goes forward and leaves tons of space for the 5 barcelona midfielders and their forward who usually comes deep to help in building up play....still wanna play gerrard along with sissoko in central midfield ?!
THICKO....
wat the faak do u kno about soccer u ignorant fak !
you play sissoko and gerrard and you know you'll get caught on the counter yet and again...we'r not a good side going forward....not in comparison we arent ! we need to keep it tight and play our best team....which believe it or not happens to include gerrard, x.alonso and sissoko all of which play their best when in central roles.... Gerrard happens to be pretty creative and him playin in a more attacking role is sure to limit Xavi's going forward.... you play 4-4-2 with gerrard in the center and you know that'll get you nowhere !
 

aCe' wrote:

STR_18 wrote:

aCe' wrote:doesnt make sense...most of what you guys are saying....if you ask me.... Gerrard's best position is central midfield...
against strong opposition, you just cant play him there....not at the moment... i know he scored quite a few, and probably will add some more before the barcelona tie.. but against barca...playin him and momo, or him and Xabi is just not an option...
the way i see it... play

                                  Reina
Finnan           Carragher          Agger          Riise

                      Alonso           Sissoko
Pennant                                                  Garcia
                       Gerrard
                                   Kuyt

Another thicko...

Steven Gerrard is excellent in the tackle, he works hard and he's very very good alround. So why take away 50 percent of his game playing him infront of a midfield?

People used to bang on about "stiffling" his game and only getting half his game out of him playing the holding role for england, now you're on about doing exactly the same (stiffling the defensive side) of his by playing him in an attacking role?

Get a grip ya tool.

He's a midfielder. Not a free role player.

ey smart a$s ! ur playing barcelona not wigan athletic ! think for a sec ! gerrard goes forward and leaves tons of space for the 5 barcelona midfielders and their forward who usually comes deep to help in building up play....still wanna play gerrard along with sissoko in central midfield ?!
THICKO....
wat the faak do u kno about soccer u ignorant fak !
you play sissoko and gerrard and you know you'll get caught on the counter yet and again...we'r not a good side going forward....not in comparison we arent ! we need to keep it tight and play our best team....which believe it or not happens to include gerrard, x.alonso and sissoko all of which play their best when in central roles.... Gerrard happens to be pretty creative and him playin in a more attacking role is sure to limit Xavi's going forward.... you play 4-4-2 with gerrard in the center and you know that'll get you nowhere !
 

What do I know about football?



Listen kiddo, i can't even be arsed going into tactical movements with you... i'll mention some basics for you.

Firstly the formation you are on about using. An adpoted 4-4-2. Basically what you're suggesting is playing Steven Gerrard in a role Wayne Rooney plays....

Steven Gerrard is a natural midfielder, not a forward player. He thinks like a midfielder and not a striker. He does not stretch teams in the same way Rooney does and he certainly doesn't have Rooney's technique, vision or intelligence.

You have different moulds of strikers, some like to play with there back to goal and bring others into play like Chris Sutton, others like to play on the shoulder of full backs across the line and knock down diagnol balls to oncoming strikers, much like what Niall Quinn used to do. Others like to run in behind like Owen, on the shoulder of the last defender, others like to run the channels like Bellamy, others are penalty box strikers like Fowler and van Nistlerooy and others like to drop of and look for the ball and play make, like Rooney and Litmanen. You ocassionally get players who can do a number of things and are therefore excellent strikers.

Steven Gerrard, as good as he is is none of these types of player.

Effectively you've just said to play Dirk Kuyt on his own upfront against Puyol and Marquez who are two excellent footballers.

Now Dirk Kuyt as good as he is, isn't going to hold the ball up consistently well over 90 minutes, sometimes he's very good, sometimes he's poor. He couldn't do that aswell as someone like Ashton for example. Now this causes a problem as the ball will come straight back at you. Also the fact he's going to be pressing at LEAST 3 defenders at all times will mean he'll never get near the ball and will probably run out of energy after 60 minutes or so... The other proplem you have is when a team like Barcelona have the ball there is then no pressure at all on the ball at the back and they have time and space to pick passes into the midfield.

Following so far dipshit?

Now Mr Kuyt also isn't the quickest of players and isn't going to cause trouble to the Barca defence with pace so they can effectively push right up as the chances of him winning a flick on are minimal and if he does there is no-one there to run in behind... Also he doesn't really have the pace to trouble the Barca defence as i already said...

So therefore you have already, even before you kicked off gave Barcelona the initiative. As they have time at the back and the space at the back to work the ball forward. Now the counter for that would be to sit deep and for Liverpool to only start pressing on the half way line... excellent... Liverpool camped deep in there own half and not able to get out... where have we seen that before?

You also suggest playing Luis Garcia on the left wing which offers absoloutely no protection to Riise who will be attacked by a winger and an overlapping full back. Luis Garcia also has a nasty tendancy to give the ball away in daft positions, can you imagine him giving the ball away to Ronaldinho on the edge of our box once?

Also the team you have suggested lacks Sami Hyypia's experience and arial dominance. An area which we are far superior to Barcelona so again, why hand them the initiative in that department? Believe it or not they will play long and high passes aswell as on the deck, thats football and Hyypia will be vital. Infact, I am sure if fit he'll start that match.

Now tactically you have suggested a flat 4-5-1. Playing that formation I can realistically only see a goal threat from Riise.

Now, had we two wide players who are capable of tucking in like Robben and maybe Wright-Phillips with an attacking midfielder like Aimar, i could see the logic but the players we have don't provide the goal threat, technical ability or athletic ability to play such a formation. Also how do you propose we attack? In what way? Using overlaps? Usinging an on rushing midfielder? Using someones pace through the middle or wings? or as a complete unit which can leave us exposed to counter attacks?

Liverpool should start with there strongest line up. Gerrard in the middle with Alonso, Kewell on the left, Pennant on the right and Kuyt and Bellamy upfront. We need pressure on the ball all over the park and we need to stretch them while being able to stay fairly compact ourselves.

This isn't like any other opposition in europe. It doesn't matter who you are these will create chances at will, with players like Deco, Ronaldinho, Guily, Gudjohnson, Messi and Etoo the best form of defense is to keep possession.

Something we'll conceed ALOT of playing your fantastic system as we won't have the option of going forward, stretching Barcelona or playing a ball in behind.

Now if you really want me to get technical and make you look a tit. Say the word. In future think about who you're arguing with. Now run along...

STR_18+5 wrote:

aCe' wrote:

STR_18 wrote:

aCe' wrote:doesnt make sense...most of what you guys are saying....if you ask me.... Gerrard's best position is central midfield...
against strong opposition, you just cant play him there....not at the moment... i know he scored quite a few, and probably will add some more before the barcelona tie.. but against barca...playin him and momo, or him and Xabi is just not an option...
the way i see it... play

                                  Reina
Finnan           Carragher          Agger          Riise

                      Alonso           Sissoko
Pennant                                                  Garcia
                       Gerrard
                                   Kuyt

Another thicko...

Steven Gerrard is excellent in the tackle, he works hard and he's very very good alround. So why take away 50 percent of his game playing him infront of a midfield?

People used to bang on about "stiffling" his game and only getting half his game out of him playing the holding role for england, now you're on about doing exactly the same (stiffling the defensive side) of his by playing him in an attacking role?

Get a grip ya tool.

He's a midfielder. Not a free role player.

ey smart a$s ! ur playing barcelona not wigan athletic ! think for a sec ! gerrard goes forward and leaves tons of space for the 5 barcelona midfielders and their forward who usually comes deep to help in building up play....still wanna play gerrard along with sissoko in central midfield ?!
THICKO....
wat the faak do u kno about soccer u ignorant fak !
you play sissoko and gerrard and you know you'll get caught on the counter yet and again...we'r not a good side going forward....not in comparison we arent ! we need to keep it tight and play our best team....which believe it or not happens to include gerrard, x.alonso and sissoko all of which play their best when in central roles.... Gerrard happens to be pretty creative and him playin in a more attacking role is sure to limit Xavi's going forward.... you play 4-4-2 with gerrard in the center and you know that'll get you nowhere !
 

What do I know about football?



Listen kiddo, i can't even be arsed going into tactical movements with you... i'll mention some basics for you.

Firstly the formation you are on about using. An adpoted 4-4-2. Basically what you're suggesting is playing Steven Gerrard in a role Wayne Rooney plays....

Steven Gerrard is a natural midfielder, not a forward player. He thinks like a midfielder and not a striker. He does not stretch teams in the same way Rooney does and he certainly doesn't have Rooney's technique, vision or intelligence.

You have different moulds of strikers, some like to play with there back to goal and bring others into play like Chris Sutton, others like to play on the shoulder of full backs across the line and knock down diagnol balls to oncoming strikers, much like what Niall Quinn used to do. Others like to run in behind like Owen, on the shoulder of the last defender, others like to run the channels like Bellamy, others are penalty box strikers like Fowler and van Nistlerooy and others like to drop of and look for the ball and play make, like Rooney and Litmanen. You ocassionally get players who can do a number of things and are therefore excellent strikers.

Steven Gerrard, as good as he is is none of these types of player.

Effectively you've just said to play Dirk Kuyt on his own upfront against Puyol and Marquez who are two excellent footballers.

Now Dirk Kuyt as good as he is, isn't going to hold the ball up consistently well over 90 minutes, sometimes he's very good, sometimes he's poor. He couldn't do that aswell as someone like Ashton for example. Now this causes a problem as the ball will come straight back at you. Also the fact he's going to be pressing at LEAST 3 defenders at all times will mean he'll never get near the ball and will probably run out of energy after 60 minutes or so... The other proplem you have is when a team like Barcelona have the ball there is then no pressure at all on the ball at the back and they have time and space to pick passes into the midfield.

Following so far dipshit?

Now Mr Kuyt also isn't the quickest of players and isn't going to cause trouble to the Barca defence with pace so they can effectively push right up as the chances of him winning a flick on are minimal and if he does there is no-one there to run in behind... Also he doesn't really have the pace to trouble the Barca defence as i already said...

So therefore you have already, even before you kicked off gave Barcelona the initiative. As they have time at the back and the space at the back to work the ball forward. Now the counter for that would be to sit deep and for Liverpool to only start pressing on the half way line... excellent... Liverpool camped deep in there own half and not able to get out... where have we seen that before?

You also suggest playing Luis Garcia on the left wing which offers absoloutely no protection to Riise who will be attacked by a winger and an overlapping full back. Luis Garcia also has a nasty tendancy to give the ball away in daft positions, can you imagine him giving the ball away to Ronaldinho on the edge of our box once?

Also the team you have suggested lacks Sami Hyypia's experience and arial dominance. An area which we are far superior to Barcelona so again, why hand them the initiative in that department? Believe it or not they will play long and high passes aswell as on the deck, thats football and Hyypia will be vital. Infact, I am sure if fit he'll start that match.

Now tactically you have suggested a flat 4-5-1. Playing that formation I can realistically only see a goal threat from Riise.

Now, had we two wide players who are capable of tucking in like Robben and maybe Wright-Phillips with an attacking midfielder like Aimar, i could see the logic but the players we have don't provide the goal threat, technical ability or athletic ability to play such a formation. Also how do you propose we attack? In what way? Using overlaps? Usinging an on rushing midfielder? Using someones pace through the middle or wings? or as a complete unit which can leave us exposed to counter attacks?

Liverpool should start with there strongest line up. Gerrard in the middle with Alonso, Kewell on the left, Pennant on the right and Kuyt and Bellamy upfront. We need pressure on the ball all over the park and we need to stretch them while being able to stay fairly compact ourselves.

This isn't like any other opposition in europe. It doesn't matter who you are these will create chances at will, with players like Deco, Ronaldinho, Guily, Gudjohnson, Messi and Etoo the best form of defense is to keep possession.

Something we'll conceed ALOT of playing your fantastic system as we won't have the option of going forward, stretching Barcelona or playing a ball in behind.

Now if you really want me to get technical and make you look a tit. Say the word. In future think about who you're arguing with. Now run along...