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by **Graeme Noble** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:39 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:You would say that Graeme Noble, your a MAN UTD fan!

off! I am a true Liverpool fan and wants top quality players at my club, that is why I don't want Crouch here!

by **Graeme Noble** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:42 pm

PabloAimar wrote:yes ok, we'll see at the end of the season how many appearances he makes for liverpool/england and we'll also set aside a few seconds to count how many goals/assists he gets.

btw, it also took him 14 games to get an assist for liverpool - wat a legend

however, in light of everything that's been said i'd like to retract my statement about him not being a good footballer - in fact, i think he is rubbish. he belongs in a mid-table team playing wimbeldon style football. Now that we've got kuyt and bellamy in, u will all begin to see crouch for what he originally was bought as - a fringe player

let's weigh up the pros n cons of his game:

1. he cant shoot
2. he cant header
3. he has no balance (always falls over or gets his legs tangled up)
4. he does step-overs on the by-line ...what other idiot would fake that he's gna run the ball out of play?
5. he has NO pace
6. he has NO power
7. he is a very 'stationary' player - doesnt move much at all, on or off the ball
8. we have strikers such as fowler, bellamy and kuyt

PROS:

1. he's taller than andre the giant
2. he has a lovely soft touch
3. emmmm, according to you lot he brings others into play - i always thought that was called 'passing the ball' (anyway, i'll let u hav that one)

A very good post. I think if Crouch played for Wigan or Fulham, he would do well, his so called qualities would be affective there, but Liverpool FC needs world class players or people who aren't just a nuisance, who can finish consistantly etc.

by **48-1119859832** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:49 pm

Graeme Noble wrote:A very good post. I think if Crouch played for Wigan or Fulham, he would do well, his so called qualities would be affective there, but Liverpool FC needs world class players or people who aren't just a nuisance, who can finish consistantly etc.

Like Cisse? You know the lad that missed a sitter against United from six yards out. :;):

by **CardinalRed** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:49 pm

PabloAimar wrote:yes ok, we'll see at the end of the season how many appearances he makes for liverpool/england and we'll also set aside a few seconds to count how many goals/assists he gets.

btw, it also took him 14 games to get an assist for liverpool - wat a legend

however, in light of everything that's been said i'd like to retract my statement about him not being a good footballer - in fact, i think he is rubbish. he belongs in a mid-table team playing wimbeldon style football. Now that we've got kuyt and bellamy in, u will all begin to see crouch for what he originally was bought as - a fringe player

let's weigh up the pros n cons of his game:

1. he cant shoot
2. he cant header
3. he has no balance (always falls over or gets his legs tangled up)
4. he does step-overs on the by-line ...what other idiot would fake that he's gna run the ball out of play?
5. he has NO pace
6. he has NO power
7. he is a very 'stationary' player - doesnt move much at all, on or off the ball
8. we have strikers such as fowler, bellamy and kuyt

PROS:

1. he's taller than andre the giant
2. he has a lovely soft touch
3. emmmm, according to you lot he brings others into play - i always thought that was called 'passing the ball' (anyway, i'll let u hav that one)

Hmmmmm PabloAimar.....? If this is your totally lopsided view of (The current) England Number 1 striker choice and the Kop favourite (dare I say?) then what does it say about The 2 managers who have no problem at all picking him eh? I'm sure Rafa and Steve McLaren know a thing or two......
I too am all for opinions after all that's what a forum is for but yours is so way off the mark it's ridiculous.....

:cool:

by **Rafa D** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:07 pm

Bad Bob wrote:The anti-Crouch brigade really gets on my tits because it seems like such a pointless axe to grind. I'll refrain from the name calling but your "evidence" is just silly...

PabloAimar wrote:1. he cant shoot

Right. Who was it that scored the winning goal Saturday, then? Who scored twice for England the other week? What a ridiculous comment.

2. he cant header

Yeah, tell that to Maccabi Haifa. Or Chelsea. Or Trinidad and Tobago. Or the Mancs last season. Is there room for improvement in this part of his game? Sure. Is he as rubbish as you suggest? Not by a long shot.

3. he has no balance (always falls over or gets his legs tangled up)

When was that, then? Seemed to show nice balance to me in slotting home on Saturday and almost always stays on his feet when I'm watching so I really don't have a clue what incidents you are referring to.

4. he does step-overs on the by-line ...what other idiot would fake that he's gna run the ball out of play?

WTF are you on about? When?

5. he has NO pace

And, yet, he's strangely effective. What does that say? It says that he knows his strengths and plays to them. Cisse illustrated how one-dimensional pace can be so don't carry on as if that's the key attribute that all strikers need because is certainly is not the be all and end all.

6. he has NO power

Yet defenders don't exactly muscle him out do they? He's not built like the proverbial brick sh!thouse but he still holds his own in the rough and tumble of the 6 yard box so I don't buy this claim at all.

7. he is a very 'stationary' player - doesnt move much at all, on or off the ball

So that's not Crouch we see dropping deep a lot to feed balls to teammates in midfield. He did this at least a half dozen times on Saturday: winning the first ball well away from the area, passing it to a teammate in midfield and then spinning to get into the box for any return that might come. Looked pretty mobile to me.

8. we have strikers such as fowler, bellamy and kuyt

And all have their uses. Unfortunately, none of them can offer the team all of the attributes Crouch can, which is why he's needed.

Look, I'm not saying you need to get Crouch's name on your kit are launch a website in his honour or anything but to suggest that he isn't good enough for Liverpool despite a Crouch-sized mountain of evidence to the contrary is just plain ridiculous.

Well Done Great Post Bad Bob.

Pablo - shut up Crouch is a valuable player.

by **timmit** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:17 pm

Its incredible just how extreme people can be on the topic of our number 15. I cant remember having a player who brought out about so many opinions as far away from each other.

When we first went after him , my first thought was not printable but I have been won over.

Firstly, lets not be silly. He is NOT the best striker in England. Likewise he is NOT the worst either.

Peter brings different options to a team and that will be a big characteristic of our team this season. Having now got the width on both flanks and the variety in the middle, we now have the opportunity to change things easily in mid game. Once everyyone gets familiar with each other we really can be a force to be reckoned with. The only problem is just HOW LONG will that take.

To sum up, Crouch is far from undroppable, but he certainly has a part to play as well. The days of using a squad of 14-15 players to win leagues has gone. Lets just be happy that we have a :censored:

load of options instead

by **skipper** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:17 pm

Crouch is a valuable player to the team. He's not an immobile striker. Like Bad Bob pointed out, Crouch drops back and feeds his teammates the ball. Also, he's good target man and sets up his teammates for goals.

All players on a team have their roles. Crouch's role is not to score 30 goals a season. He can play with other strikers to set up a deadly strike-force. I don't get the Crouch-bashing. Not all players are flashy, pacey and etc... There is more to football than those traits. Crouch is still maturing and will be deadly not just because he'll score some goals, but also he can help set up others for strikes. Sure, Crouch isn't undroppable, but he certainly has a place on this team.

by **Graeme Noble** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:28 pm

skipper wrote:Crouch is a valuable player to the team. He's not an immobile striker. Like Bad Bob pointed out, Crouch drops back and feeds his teammates the ball. Also, he's good target man and sets up his teammates for goals.

All players on a team have their roles. Crouch's role is not to score 30 goals a season. He can play with other strikers to set up a deadly strike-force. I don't get the Crouch-bashing. Not all players are flashy, pacey and etc... There is more to football than those traits. Crouch is still maturing and will be deadly not just because he'll score some goals, but also he can help set up others for strikes. Sure, Crouch isn't undroppable, but he certainly has a place on this team.

He does have a place on this team, a nice warm place is waiting for him on that subs bench while Bellamy and Kuyt are on the pitch actually playing Premiership-winning football and not mediocre :censored:

that Crouch brings to the team!

by **davo_LFC** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:34 pm

Graeme Noble wrote:
skipper wrote:Crouch is a valuable player to the team. He's not an immobile striker. Like Bad Bob pointed out, Crouch drops back and feeds his teammates the ball. Also, he's good target man and sets up his teammates for goals.

All players on a team have their roles. Crouch's role is not to score 30 goals a season. He can play with other strikers to set up a deadly strike-force. I don't get the Crouch-bashing. Not all players are flashy, pacey and etc... There is more to football than those traits. Crouch is still maturing and will be deadly not just because he'll score some goals, but also he can help set up others for strikes. Sure, Crouch isn't undroppable, but he certainly has a place on this team.

He does have a place on this team, a nice warm place is waiting for him on that subs bench while Bellamy and Kuyt are on the pitch actually playing Premiership-winning football and not mediocre that Crouch brings to the team!

FFS crawl out of cisses @rsehole and give it a rest :Oo:

by **PabloAimar** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:48 pm

for the millionth time, back to the fu.ckin topic - no he's not undroppable because we now have MUCH better forwards who will offer even more to the team (these things called goals and assists which win football matches)!

"oh but he brings the ball back and passes it to team mates blah blah blahh..." - yeh he does that when he shud've turned, ran and scored if he had any real footballing instincts!

n who's the idiot who just said he's england's no1. striker? fool.

im guessin ur all liverpool supporters on here so will u support the players and please admit that kuyt, bellamy and fowler are much more useful strikers/forwards/footballers (watever u wna call it, because u've all as good as admitted that u know he cant strike a ball properly or header with intent)

by **GOAT** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:50 pm

PabloAimar wrote:for the millionth time, back to the fu.ckin topic - no he's not undroppable because we now have MUCH better forwards who will offer even more to the team (these things called goals and assists which win football matches)!

Really? So crouch has never won us a match with his goals? cor blimey i could of sworn he has done before! :sleep

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:57 pm

PabloAimar wrote:for the millionth time, back to the fu.ckin topic - no he's not undroppable because we now have MUCH better forwards who will offer even more to the team (these things called goals and assists which win football matches)!

"oh but he brings the ball back and passes it to team mates blah blah blahh..." - yeh he does that when he shud've turned, ran and scored if he had any real footballing instincts!

n who's the idiot who just said he's england's no1. striker? fool.

im guessin ur all liverpool supporters on here so will u support the players and please admit that kuyt, bellamy and fowler are much more useful strikers/forwards/footballers (watever u wna call it, because u've all as good as admitted that u know he cant strike a ball properly or header with intent)

The timing of this post just underlines its sheer stupidity...

He doesn't score? He scored us the f.ucking match winner not two days ago. Before that he scored us the vital goal that ensured we are in the group stages of the Champions League again this year. Before that he scored the match winner against Chelsea in the Charity Shield. He scored the winning goal against Manchester United in the FA Cup last year that permitted us the opportunity to progress to face Chelsea and ultimately West Ham. He doesn't just score goals--he scores vital goals. Your inability to admit that suggests that you are either on a wind up or you're the thickest "supporter" to come on these boards in some time...and that's saying something. :no

by **stmichael** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:01 pm

Sometimes I have to wonder if people on here are on a wind up or just plain stupid. Crouch doesn't score or assist, WTF? He's scored 24 goals since december last year for club and country and had countless assists. If you don't believe it, just ask Steven Gerrard. Crouch made several of his goals last season.

Last season he was excellent 70% of the time and got slagged because when he did have a bad game he wasn't a goal threat. So far this season he's played 3 games, 1 excellent, one average and 1 poor. He's scored in all 3 games (all winning goals too i might add) and people question his overall performances and say Kuyt (who was considered a waste of money by most people as he had 2 or 3 sh#t games at the world cup) should take his place because he had a good 40 minutes against West Ham and they can't play together.

Crouchy has been a very good signing for us and if he plays as often as he did ast year he'll break 20 goals in all competitions easily in my opinion.

by **redmikey** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:55 pm

I think every one would agree that there is room for crouchy to improve.
I think crouch knows that and will enjoy proving all the doubters wrong. AGAIN
Rafa dosn't keep players that are not moving the team fowards( baros,cissie,mellor,fsp,alt)
He gives everything he can during games and comes up trumps on most the big games
only bell ends can't see past his apperance
kyte is competion for his role which will make him raise his game
Steve gerrard scored 25 last term and many were down to link up play with crouchy
some people need to watch more that MOTD before they rant about players on here

by **drummerphil** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:08 pm

drummerphil wrote:I find Peter Crouch the most irritating sight in a red shirt.I agree though through his awkwardness and lanky streak of píssness he can change a game,sometimes i think without him realising how hes done it.For someone so tall i think hes terrible in the air and from a standing start he forever gets out jumped by players 5ft 8 etc.
So what does he give to the team,quite simply the unexpected.We all know what a player of his height/build should give but more often than not neither Peter himself or us fans quite know what it is.

i cant say anything has changed my mind even after his winner against west ham.The unexpected is all i can see in his game.

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