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by **Ciggy** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:34 am

Paul C wrote:I have to admit that I was so excited when Cisse arrived, I've tried to stickup for the lad but I'm now starting to look at it from the clubs point of view that he isn't Rafa's first choice and we need money towards a QUALITY right winger so if someone can give us £7m+ then sell him.

Yer sure why not have a loss of 5-6 million on him like the 8 million loss on Diouf, but then again Liverpool F.C. are good at that, losing money. Diao, Diouf, Biscan,Cheyrou the list goes on and on...................
With over 150 million spent in the last 5-6 years we are no where near competing with the top 3.

by **azriahmad** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:34 am

African-red, Garcia is another annoying player who gives the ball away almost every time with religious consistency.

Why he plays all of the time is beyong me. He was one of the players Benitez had on loan from Barca at one of his previous clubs, I can't remember. Perhaps Garcia is playing because Rafa has such supreme belief in him - I don't know.

He is not good enough, just like Cisse.

by **azriahmad** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:37 am

Sorry, second para, first line should read "beyond" and not "beyong".

I am sure Cisse will be sold in the January transfer window. He should go back to France, preferably Lyon, and continue to score loads in a mickey mouse league. Houllier should take him for all 10 or so million he overpaid Auxerre when we bid for 14 million.

by **Paul C** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:51 am

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:
Paul C wrote:I have to admit that I was so excited when Cisse arrived, I've tried to stickup for the lad but I'm now starting to look at it from the clubs point of view that he isn't Rafa's first choice and we need money towards a QUALITY right winger so if someone can give us £7m+ then sell him.

Yer sure why not have a loss of 5-6 million on him like the 8 million loss on Diouf, but then again Liverpool F.C. are good at that, losing money. Diao, Diouf, Biscan,Cheyrou the list goes on and on...................
With over 150 million spent in the last 5-6 years we are no where near competing with the top 3.

Whats the point in having £14m sat on the bench when the missing piece of the puzzle is a quality winger like Joaquin, the style of play Rafa wants is someone who can provide for Crouch or Morientes and Cisse isn't that type of player, he has even admitted that he doesn't like being played on the right, he's not gonna get a sniff up front with the 4-5-1 system so sell him rather than him warming the bench and his price tag going down.

by **African-red** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:54 am

I wish he's sold in England to prove some people wrong but I know he might go to bigger clubs in Spain or France and he will be success. The coach just doesn't like him and doesn't to use him right no wonder he plays him on the right wing. There coaches who can wisely use him to good effect relying on his speed.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:56 am

Apparently Cisse has been having lots of one on one training to try and get him to understand what Raffa wants but doesn't get it!!! I think Raffa is now frustrated and see no future for him at the club.

I think with a player like Cisse you have to give him a go, easpecially as we don't have anyone else scoring at the moment. Come on Raffa give a run and see what he does!!

Cisse would have to play in a team that was using a 442 formation that would also suit Crouch.

by **JC_81** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:18 am

Cisse will be gone sooner rather than later, I'll bet my house on it.

Houllier signed Cisse because he's be the perfect striker for Houllier's tactics, which were to defend deep on the 18 yard line and deploy your attackers on the half way line. Then pump the ball over the opposition defence on the counter and use the pace of your forwards.

Cisse can't play in Benitez's pressing game. It demands the forwards to be good with their back to goal. Cisse has no touch and links up poorly with team-mates so he is not effective.

If we go 4-4-2 now, which I feel we have to, then we'll have to use either Pongolle or Cisse alongside Crouch/Morientes. Although I don't particularly rate Cisse's footballing ability or his attitude on the pitch, we should use him until January and replace him if possible. At least hope he bangs in a few goals and gets his transfer value up. Benitez will NEVER warm to Cisse in my opinion, so the argument as to whether he should be kept is pointless, he's on borrowed time already.

by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:29 am

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Apparently Cisse has been having lots of one on one training to try and get him to understand what Raffa wants but doesn't get it!!! I think Raffa is now frustrated and see no future for him at the club.

I think with a player like Cisse you have to give him a go, easpecially as we don't have anyone else scoring at the moment. Come on Raffa give a run and see what he does!!

Cisse would have to play in a team that was using a 442 formation that would also suit Crouch.

That is true, IF Cisse is to have any future...and it is a massive if then he needs a run in the team in the centre and with a partner.
Personally i dont think he is good enough and i would rather play Pongolle, he has a far better all round game imo.
The only reason i would give Cisse a chance now is to hope he knocks a few in to increase his value because with every game he is out of the team his value is plummeting.
The point made about his touch is my main area of concern, i know his finishing also needs work, but the first touch being poor constantly breaks down attacks.
Garcia although he gives possesion away imo has a far better touch...he just has makes poor decisions and trys things before the ball is under control.
I am certain Cisse will go in Jan, i hope we can get another striker in because we are definately lacking in that department.
Kuyt looks the business, maybe we will see him.
Its a shame cos after the way Cisse battled back last season the fans really care about him, and he speaks very highly of his desire to play for LFC, but at the end of the day he is just not good enough.
Cggy the point you made about us wasting money is one we are all really frustrated with, it is ridiculous some of the amounts we have paid for players, but to be fair to Rafa he never paid 14 million for the lad, the board and Gerard Houllier are to blame for making the deal, it is absolutely crazy that our record transfer is a player that was signed while were bringing in a new manager, i know the deal was already in place, but that was really stupis business.

by **tel** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:43 am

Its a good question.

He's not been given a run in the team so what exactly is he being judged on? Performance on the training ground?

Personally I dont think he can continue his goal scoring record in the French league over ehre, but I still think he should be given a run of games so we can at least decide if he's got the goods.

I rate him over Crouch. I dont care how well he can hold the ball up. That boy is way too slow to turn and run into dangerous positions

by **bigmick** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:50 am

His touch is poor, he has no football brain to speak of and he isn't a team player. He is worth nowhere near 14 million pounds (just out of interest is it still too early? must we still remember Pires etc etc) and his attitude stinks.
All that said, the blokes goalscoring record when he actually plays up front isn't too bad. I just feel that him and Crouch poses the classic conundrum for a defending team. Go deep to counter Cisse's pace and we will hit Crouch who will flick it or knock it down to the Frenchman on the edge of your box. Defend higher up to counter Crouch and we will slide the ball in behind for Cisse to use his pace.
I've said many times that I don't think Morientes will do the job for us. I think he is a bad buy pure and simple. Cisse similarly was an ill-concieved purchase at the price. Those who even mention Mellor are deluding themselves in my view, while Sinena-Pongolle has impressed me this season I think he needs to develop further. Crouch I think has done well albeit in a role which doesn't really afford him many goalscoring opportunities.
All in all it's time for a Crouch Cisse partnership. Not for a half, or a game, or even a couple of games but for a run. Despite his infuriating faults somebody somewhere has got to give us some goal threat. Cisse, while not quite being THE man, is the nearest thing we've got.

by **antz** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:01 am

It seems if Cisse will be sold as most have said but I think Rafa is cutting his nose off to spite his face by leaving Cisse on the bench when we are chasing a game and have not had anything from the attacking players on the pitch. I remember GH being Stubborn and look were that got him and us.

As far as im concerned if Rafa doesnt like Cisse as a person that should be irrelevant if he wants to change his hair colour 5 times a week that makes no difference to what happens on a football pitch.
As for the comment about African players not being team players

Weah, Essien, Eto etc etc thing is not all africans are the same John Bull same as not all Scots and Brits are the same so its hard to make statements like British players have no skill and Scot players have no ability full Stop.

by **muttleyp** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:09 am

Cisse needs a run in the team if we are going to be getting goals form anywhere, by the looks of it. Change to 4-4-2 and ditch this 4-5-1 which is just not working at the moment.
I'm yet to be convinced by Crouch, i dont think he's doing anything more really than what Baros was doing, (but thats neither here nor there as baros dont play for us) and Morientes isnt playing to the level he is capable of.
I wouldnt say Cisse is not worth 14mill as he hasnt had the run in the team that he deserves ( and the odd ten minutes here and there dosent really count) to prove his worth to Liverpool. If played with a partner i think he could quite eaasily score lots of goals for us, but thats only if given the oppurtunity.
Sad as it is he will probabley be sold in january and Liverpool would have lost another good striker.

by **antz** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:15 am

Just to add Big Mick you say Cisse attitude stinks but did you think this when he ran out on the Champions leauge final ? The man has been treated rough so he is pis*sed off. I dont think he is the man but while he is here I think he should be given a fair crack just like Garcia and Mori have been given even when they are not performing.

by **stmichael** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:21 am

interesting thread this.

people harp on about newcastle paying over the odds for owen. well i'm sorry but if it's a choice between owen at £16m or cisse at £14m there's no contest.

rafa was not a cisse fan from day one if you ask me. the signing had already been wrapped up when he arrived at the club. rafa would never have brought cisse of his own free will and certainly would have paid nowhere near £14m.

cisse will be gone come the summer, if not in january.

by **bigmick** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:21 am

To be honest I thought his attitude stunk from about the time of last seasons 2-1 defeat at Man U. He was petulant, berating his teammates if the ball wasn't played exactly where he wanted it and he was reluctant to chase down defenders.
That was about four or five games into his first season at Liverpool if I remember right, long before the Champions League final. As for him "being treated rough" I always find it slightly amusing when footballers cry foul because of the way they are handled. A wage of probably about 60k per week and being pampered at every turn is the kind of mistreatment I could stand for a bit. If he's angry then fine, when his chance comes as it surely must then grab it with both hands. Run till you drop and score a couple of goals.

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