Liverpool FC Forum

Chelsea forever. wrote:

A.B. wrote:Another person obssesed with ''big name signings''. When Wenger bought Henry,Pires,Vieira,etc... they were hardly big names and many didn't think of them of class players. Look at them now.

I agree.

But remember one thing. None of Wengers players have performed in Europe or for their country bar Bergkamp (who is a legend) and Viera (who does play well).


Henry and Pires have been great in the EPL. But for country and in the CL they have been very poor.

Viera is good for France. Viera is ok for Arsenal in Europe, although he has never managed to get them past the group stages in his 9 years at the club. Viera was great for them in the EPL.

All this might be down to Wengers management. His players are top class in the EPL but seem to be a shadow of themselves in Europe. I can quite understand why a player of the quality and caliber of Henry cant perform well for France.

Quite a mystery if you ask me!

so Henry, Pires havent performed for their country. and heres me thinking that a world cup and euro champs winners medal meant something

A.B. wrote:

he could well do this, i do not like the idea of a club full of spanish players, i might take a beating over this but i dont think the spanish have had the run of good player and this will also start to show in the world cup.

-Reina
-Josemi
-Garcia
-Alonso
-Morientes
-Barragan
-Roque

7 Spanish players, 2 of them are youngsters. Out of 40 some players we have, there are 7 Spanish players. Yes I guess you're right, we're filled with Spanish players.

the players he has gone in for in my mind have4 been second rate players and this could make us a second rate team. i am not saying it will i am just sdaying it couldf.

Another person obssesed with ''big name signings''. When Wenger bought Henry,Pires,Vieira,etc... they were hardly big names and many didn't think of them of class players. Look at them now.

and 1 up front on away games is not the way to do it.

Why don't you talk to Parry and take Rafa's job as manager. Perhaps we should hire Curbishley from Charlton or O'Neil.

Well, most of Wenger's acquires are French players, French speaking players and some Spanish players. Reasons behind may be the high price of local players, his knowledge of his own domestic league and his tactic choice. These reasons should applicable to Rafa's purchasing: he needed cheap and suitble players for achieving a quick success to boost the club's confidence. And he's been saying he will buy more native players when Liverpool have the ability. So don't be worry about Liverpool being Spainized.

Moreover, young talents are much more difficult to get than 7 or 8 years ago, especially for those who have a EU nationality. So maybe our scouts should consider to spare some attention to other parts of Europe, such as Benelux, Scandinavia, new EU countris, etc.

At last, there's a huge pressure for Rafa for signing players. The skipper wants more big names, the funs want big names, the Chairman wants big names, and of course, most people in this forum want big names. No everyone is as cool as you. 

tel wrote:

matrix wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:Owen didnt have any impact on the England game at all when he came on...

very poor. hes gettting outshined by rooney

garcia  why are you so negative regarding  michael owen    he has nothing to prove to you or anybody else   your talking about a fuc.king anfield legend      




         make that appointment at the docs garcia     

This is the sort of stuff that gets right up me.

Anfield friggn legend? Dalglish and Rush are Anfield legends. They won doubles, European Cups and League titles with this club.

Owen had not taken us to a title or a Champions League like true Anfield legends have done. As far as I'm concerned, John Barnes is more an Anfield legend than Owen is.

tel   stop talking shi.te  mo is a great in many of lfcs fans eyes  how can you say he won almost nothing compared to rushie and dalglish  different era tel  your talking about perhaps the best era in liverpools history  since then liverpool have gone through a rebuilding phase  its not mo fault that arsenal and the scum progressed a bit quicker than liverpool   over the last few years   its a team game    its also worth saying the current liverpool team under benitez is far superior to houlliers liverpool  and the service owen will get from a much stronger and stable liverpool will benefit him and liverpool  cant wait for the boy to come home 

Chelsea forever. wrote:

A.B. wrote:Another person obssesed with ''big name signings''. When Wenger bought Henry,Pires,Vieira,etc... they were hardly big names and many didn't think of them of class players. Look at them now.

I agree.

But remember one thing. None of Wengers players have performed in Europe or for their country bar Bergkamp (who is a legend) and Viera (who does play well).


Henry and Pires have been great in the EPL. But for country and in the CL they have been very poor.

Viera is good for France. Viera is ok for Arsenal in Europe, although he has never managed to get them past the group stages in his 9 years at the club. Viera was great for them in the EPL.

All this might be down to Wengers management. His players are top class in the EPL but seem to be a shadow of themselves in Europe. I can quite understand why a player of the quality and caliber of Henry cant perform well for France.

Quite a mystery if you ask me!

lakes10 wrote:

A.B. wrote:Apparently Benitez is ruining this club, or "killing the club" as Lakes here so kindly put it.

he could well do this, i do not like the idea of a club full of spanish players, i might take a beating over this but i dont think the spanish have had the run of good player and this will also start to show in the world cup.

the players he has gone in for in my mind have4 been second rate players and this could make us a second rate team. i am not saying it will i am just sdaying it couldf.

RA is a great European manager and he still has a lot to prove in the prem, and 1 up front on away games is not the way to do it.

Are you joking?

The Spanish have outstanding talent everywhere apart from in defence, one of the most talented countries in the world.

They are very much like Holland when it comes to not living up to expectations in World cup and European tounaments....No one can doubt Holland always produces EXTRAORDINARY talent....

If you look at the Spanish youth categories and under 21's they are EXTREMELY successful and have been in recent years....

I don't think Liverpool is FULL of Spanish players....I would be EXTREMELY concerned if we where FULL of foreigners and NO English players but hey, that is not the situation, and I don't think Rafa would do that to us anyway....

On a lighter note, I don't know any females complaining about the Spanish players at Liverpool, my sisters and female cousins are WELL happy with some of them LOL

2520years wrote:

2520years wrote:I would like Owen back, but it ain't gonna happen.

How many times does Rafa have to say he's not interested in strikers?  It's not even as if he always plays them in twos.  I'll bet many games this season see a 4-4-1-1, with Luis Garcia/Kewell/others in the hole and only one recognised striker on the pitch.

I refer the Right-Honourable gentleman to the answer I gave a couple of weeks ago.

Just posting this again for good measure.

A.B. wrote:

What about back up for Carra and Hyppia? What about a new winger? I know Owen is a good player but at the moment we don't need him. We have to leave emotion out of this or we will be in a right mess. Rafa knows what he's doing.

We can buy a CB and RM even if we buy Owen as the money used for Owen will not affect Benitez signing the other two players