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It's not a case of having the balls to criticise (or castigate in your case  ) it's more a case of respecting the lad for what he has achieved and just for once seeing somebody else do the hard yards. Yes he hasn't been at his best but the Everton and Arsenal games certainly proved that there is still a massive reason why to include Gerrard in the team. Do you honestly think that the results in those matches would have been the same if we had played Lucas instead of Gerrard? Who before the start of the season would have expected us to be 3 points behind City on the 8th February after 25 games. I'll tell you who RBG absolutely fkg nobody. Gerrard has been heavily involved in that achievement and deserves a lot more credit than you afford him.

Stu the Red » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:16 pm wrote:Really? You post that in relation to Gerrard but completely fail to acknowledge that, that is exactly some other people's view on your opinions on Lucas.

That performance today proved everything you need to know about Liverpool's midfield... IE... its much better when Lucas isn't involved.

No Stu, you simply couldn't be more wrong ,and you're also speaking way too soon to be comfortable . Gerrard has played well against (as expected)
the Bitterz and Arsenal ,but even you cant say he acquitted himself well at DM against West Brom .....or can you ?

Today was about the team ,and I was sufficiently impressed with Gerrards all round game and stated as such  ,but when I went on this forum I get
little sly digs because I had the stones to question our captain after proffering us some weak arsed displays.

Were we differ Stu is that when one of either Gerrard or Lucas has a good game I state as such ,whereas its more important to you to give faint
praise in relation to Lucas's game even when his performance has proved pivotal ..I mean you pilloried Flanagan and scoffed at me for championing
the lads cause ,and yet I don't come on this f*cking forum revelling in the fact I was right and you were wrong .....

Its also no coincidence that the Gerrard thread has only started to receive your input from when he started playing well ,as when he was stinking the
fucking place out you were conspicuous by your absence.

devaney » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:29 pm wrote:It's not a case of having the balls to criticise (or castigate in your case  ) it's more a case of respecting the lad for what he has achieved and just for once seeing somebody else do the hard yards. Yes he hasn't been at his best but the Everton and Arsenal games certainly proved that there is still a massive reason why to include Gerrard in the team. Do you honestly think that the results in those matches would have been the same if we had played Lucas instead of Gerrard? Who before the start of the season would have expected us to be 3 points behind City on the 8th February after 25 games. I'll tell you who RBG absolutely fkg nobody. Gerrard has been heavily involved in that achievement and deserves a lot more credit than you afford him.

Gerrard has played well in only about a third of our games and even then that's me probably being a bit overly generous because I'm still on cloud 9 from today, the major reason we have done so well this season is our amazing strike force.
Gerrard deservedly got the plaudits throughout his career when he was the driving force behind the team so it's only right that Luis and Danny get their props now. They are the main men in this team.
Speaking of our amazing strike force Sturridge today reached the 30 goal mark quicker than any other striker in our 120+ year history and when you think of some of the players that have played for this club that is some achievement.
Gerrard has upped his game recently and that's great but he's got to do it week in and week out, playing well every now and then won't be good enough to get us 4th in a division as competitive as the prem.
Fulham away mid week in its own way will actually be just a big a test as the Arsenal game today, games like that tend to be the ones where gerrard doesn't turn up.

devaney » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:29 pm wrote:It's not a case of having the balls to criticise (or castigate in your case  ) it's more a case of respecting the lad for what he has achieved and just for once seeing somebody else do the hard yards. Yes he hasn't been at his best but the Everton and Arsenal games certainly proved that there is still a massive reason why to include Gerrard in the team. Do you honestly think that the results in those matches would have been the same if we had played Lucas instead of Gerrard? Who before the start of the season would have expected us to be 3 points behind City on the 8th February after 25 games. I'll tell you who RBG absolutely fkg nobody. Gerrard has been heavily involved in that achievement and deserves a lot more credit than you afford him.

Like I said earlier ,Gerrard had a good game today and I was impressed by his performance and stated as such,but stating the obvious when Gerrard
wasn't performing wasn't being disrespectful ,but I believe Gerrards performance in the first half against Villa deserved a scathing appraisal for a complete
lack of effort ....So guess what ? I fucking delivered one ,because I believe that my unstinting support for the team that I love credits me with an
opinion ,whether it resides uncomfortably in the craw  I couldn't express two flying fucks.....So don't you fret lad,when Gerrard plays well as he did
today ,I will say so ,however when he has a stinker I will not suppress my disappointment because he's been a Legend....I mean that would be completely
alien to my usual candour.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:38 pm wrote:

devaney » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:29 pm wrote:It's not a case of having the balls to criticise (or castigate in your case  ) it's more a case of respecting the lad for what he has achieved and just for once seeing somebody else do the hard yards. Yes he hasn't been at his best but the Everton and Arsenal games certainly proved that there is still a massive reason why to include Gerrard in the team. Do you honestly think that the results in those matches would have been the same if we had played Lucas instead of Gerrard? Who before the start of the season would have expected us to be 3 points behind City on the 8th February after 25 games. I'll tell you who RBG absolutely fkg nobody. Gerrard has been heavily involved in that achievement and deserves a lot more credit than you afford him.

Like I said earlier ,Gerrard had a good game today and I was impressed by his performance and stated as such,but stating the obvious when Gerrard
wasn't performing wasn't being disrespectful ,but I believe Gerrards performance in the first half against Villa deserved a scathing appraisal for a complete
lack of effort ....So guess what ? I fucking delivered one ,because I believe that my unstinting support for the team that I love credits me with an
opinion ,whether it resides uncomfortably in the craw  I couldn't express two flying fucks.....So don't you fret lad,when Gerrard plays well as he did
today ,I will say so ,however when he has a stinker I will not suppress my disappointment because he's been a Legend....I mean that would be completely
alien to my usual candour.

Your perogative RBG in the same way that it is mine to disagree with your overblown diatribes. Sorry that was a tad rude but shi.t when you get a bee in your bonnet it's so fkg big that it could eradicate the world honey shortage if there was one Three points behind City. He clearly does a lot more as a captain than is visible to the naked eye. If he really was as bad in as many matches as you have been making out  then it would reflect far more on our league position.

devaney » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:43 am wrote:
Your perogative RBG in the same way that it is mine to disagree with your overblown diatribes. Sorry that was a tad rude but shi.t when you get a bee in your bonnet it's so fkg big that it could eradicate the world honey shortage if there was one Three points behind City. He clearly does a lot more as a captain than is visible to the naked eye. If he really was as bad in as many matches as you have been making out  then it would reflect far more on our league position.

Listen Devaney mate ,I shouldn't have to list the games Gerrard was poor in ,because to a discerning eye it should be clearly perceptible.
Also I think the reason we're so close to City is because of practically being totally dependent on our prolific striking partnership bailing
us out on countless occasions.

RBG/Yakka - We can agree on one thing and that is the brilliant performances of Luis and Danny. The point I made is that it is about time we didn't have to rely on the brilliance of SG to get us out of the proverbial mire and it is about time ! Yes SG has not been at his best for a lot of the season, a visit to Specsavers wasn't required to determine that. Wether it be in training or in the dressing room or on match day SG's contribution isn't just about what can be seen. Rodgers knows that and he as much as anybody wanted to reinvent SG in the autumn of his career. Gerrard is now familiarising himself with a new role and the dividends are beginning to come through. His game, as  I think you have both eluded to, can no longer keep up with the tempo and style that Rodgers demands. Rodgers knows that and I think Stevie has now accepted it as well. However reinvention was the preference rather than confining a player with incredible vision and technical knowledge to the scrap heap. That's not to mention that he very presence on the pitch is enough to cause concern to most teams. I also think he is very highly respected by his team mates as their captain. There's still a lot that SG has to offer to Liverpool FC and if the occasional Hollywood ball works out and gets the crowd on their feet then to be frank that is a bonus.

Criticism is fine. Castigation certainly isn't.

woof woof ! » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:13 pm wrote:

damjan193 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:29 pm wrote:Looks like he's settling in that DM role. Really hope that I was wrong about him.

You don't have to "hope" mate, it's already confirmed, you were wrong   :D    .

Honestly can't believe how many people in here doubted him.

One of the best all round footballers this nation has seen for generations, performance after performance for club and county, and yet some still rush to bury him, I just don't understand it.

He may no longer be the sparkling champagne attacking playing we knew and loved but he's still one of the sharpest footballing brains in the premiership and still has the desire and skill to perform at the top table.

All you doubters can put your knives away, the legend that is Gerrard is far from finished.

It will take more than 2 or 3 games to be confirmed but it definitely looks promising.

The criticism wasn't as bad as you make of it and it was also justified. It's natural for people to have doubts about him because everyone can agree that our midfield is our weakest link in the team so I think that the criticism was understandable. My main concern isn't about his overall ability, it's about whether or not he can fit into the new system, and considering his age and his natural decline in energy and pace I thought that he would never fit. But obviously for a footballing brain like Steven Gerrard anything's possible.

I feel bad enough criticizing my all time favorite player and I'll gladly take it on the chin if he proves me wrong, but I'm afraid it will take more than a few games.

devaney » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:11 am wrote:RBG/Yakka - We can agree on one thing and that is the brilliant performances of Luis and Danny. The point I made is that it is about time we didn't have to rely on the brilliance of SG to get us out of the proverbial mire and it is about time ! Yes SG has not been at his best for a lot of the season, a visit to Specsavers wasn't required to determine that. Wether it be in training or in the dressing room or on match day SG's contribution isn't just about what can be seen. Rodgers knows that and he as much as anybody wanted to reinvent SG in the autumn of his career. Gerrard is now familiarising himself with a new role and the dividends are beginning to come through. His game, as  I think you have both eluded to, can no longer keep up with the tempo and style that Rodgers demands. Rodgers knows that and I think Stevie has now accepted it as well. However reinvention was the preference rather than confining a player with incredible vision and technical knowledge to the scrap heap. That's not to mention that he very presence on the pitch is enough to cause concern to most teams. I also think he is very highly respected by his team mates as their captain. There's still a lot that SG has to offer to Liverpool FC and if the occasional Hollywood ball works out and gets the crowd on their feet then to be frank that is a bonus.

Criticism is fine. Castigation certainly isn't.

The point is Gerrard has had quite a few average games this year, more than in the past, but he's also had good games. Certain people are calling him from the West Brom game? I've watched that game twice and he was easily one of our better performers, nowhere near as bad as some would have you believe. He had a shocking 45 minutes against Villa granted... but second half he played the ball that won the pen and contributed to us getting back into the match.

Certain people can't see that because he's not scoring thirty yarders every week and tackling everything in sight like he used too it doesn't mean he's now a rubbish player.

What's even more laughable is that people think Lucas contributes more to the team...

Lucas has been woeful since his knee injury

devaney » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:11 am wrote:RBG/Yakka - We can agree on one thing and that is the brilliant performances of Luis and Danny. The point I made is that it is about time we didn't have to rely on the brilliance of SG to get us out of the proverbial mire and it is about time ! Yes SG has not been at his best for a lot of the season, a visit to Specsavers wasn't required to determine that. Wether it be in training or in the dressing room or on match day SG's contribution isn't just about what can be seen. Rodgers knows that and he as much as anybody wanted to reinvent SG in the autumn of his career. Gerrard is now familiarising himself with a new role and the dividends are beginning to come through. His game, as  I think you have both eluded to, can no longer keep up with the tempo and style that Rodgers demands. Rodgers knows that and I think Stevie has now accepted it as well. However reinvention was the preference rather than confining a player with incredible vision and technical knowledge to the scrap heap. That's not to mention that he very presence on the pitch is enough to cause concern to most teams. I also think he is very highly respected by his team mates as their captain. There's still a lot that SG has to offer to Liverpool FC and if the occasional Hollywood ball works out and gets the crowd on their feet then to be frank that is a bonus.

Criticism is fine. Castigation certainly isn't.

I don't believe anyone made the suggestion he be placed on the scrap heap mate ,I think you're exaggerating a wee bit ,what I stated many times
was that Gerrard didn't possess the energy to hunt down the ball and continually press the opposition. I think I advocated Rodgers dropping him
to the bench and then introducing him for 45 minutes of a game ,or taking him off after the first half.

However after the Villa game  I was f*cking fuming with Gerrard's attitude and lack of any application,and then Shock horror   I called his first half
performance disgraceful ......So f*cking what ? I think paying out a small fortune to follow this team affords me my opinion,and lets face facts I shell
out to watch Liverpool FC as a collative ...... So when a player is pulling the Kops collective *****er rather than pulling his weight I take it on myself
to question his attitude.

Steven Gerrard hasn't just had a handful of bad games this season he's been abjectly poor in at least 8 games ,so when I come out and extol the lad
for his performance against the Bitterz and more recently Arsenal I genuinely mean it ,as I do when I praise Lucas when its quite evident to some
the added strength he gives to the midfield when he's available.

I will however like I have mentioned on numerous occasions reserve judgement until we're talking about a monstrous performance at DM when we play
away against opponents with a modicum of bite in the middle of their respective park.

I'm glad to see the powers that be have never lost sight of who Stevie is. A simple fact: Liverpool with Gerrard are a much more formidable force than one without him.
At the beginning of the season he was depressed, in football terms. We didn't come close last year and Stevie had probably given up the ghost. Maybe he was guilty of not giving his incredible all, as some believed. He's a true leader and was struggling to lift his team and his crowd. But that of course is all swings n' roundabouts.

To the leadership and morale game, three chemicals must all connect at the same time in order to turn prey into predators: The Kop, Stevie G, and a will to win.
If we're short of one of those things, we'll most often lose.

This is superb
Not sure how many of you watch TNA but they were in the UK recently and Bully Ray cut this promo in Manchester. Watch it till the end 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy7l2Gln5pA

7_Kewell » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:02 pm wrote:Lucas has been woeful since his knee injury

I actually think hes improved

Steven George Gerrard aka ''Liability''