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RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:21 am wrote:

Stu the Red » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:38 pm wrote:Its funny how all of these muppets only come out of the woodwork to have a pop when someone has a really good game, but as soon as they don't perform and the reasons are plain as day as to why others don't rate them as highly they vanish like a fart in the wind.

Before you run the risk of falling into a big black pot marked 'irony' ,have a word with the kettle  ? 

That's a bit of a strange comment, in what possible way could that be considered ironic?

Stu the Red » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:46 am wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:21 am wrote:

Stu the Red » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:38 pm wrote:Its funny how all of these muppets only come out of the woodwork to have a pop when someone has a really good game, but as soon as they don't perform and the reasons are plain as day as to why others don't rate them as highly they vanish like a fart in the wind.

Before you run the risk of falling into a big black pot marked 'irony' ,have a word with the kettle  ? 

That's a bit of a strange comment, in what possible way could that be considered ironic?

You crack me up Stu ,and sometimes you just don't have to try 

Stu my point about Andy Carroll went straight over your head mate. Quite a lot of people on here actually defended the incredible ineptitude of Carroll. For me he will go down as one of the worst footballers ever to play for Liverpool and possible the worst transfer deal ever in the history of the game. Sturridge on the other hand has been remarkably consistent at scoring goals which is something Carroll can only dream of. Sturridge replaced Carroll and is doing the job he is paid to do and that is scoring goals and not taking fkg embarrassing air shots.

Of course Danny has weaknesses, so does everybody. Of course he is arrogant, show me a truly successful sportsman that isn't. Of course he makes mistake,again show me a truly successful sportsman that doesn't. When Gerrard fails with a Hollywood ball would you regard that as a selfish poor decision. For me it is about entertainment and excitement and that is what Gerrard and Danny have the ability to do. They can change games with moments of brilliance. You criticise Danny as if he is responsible for the games when we have dropped points. Thirteen goals in thirteen starts deserves respect not cringeworthy criticism. Ok he makes a bad decision when we were winning 4-0 after he had gone a long way towards winning the game for us.It was a bad decision and certainly not deserving of you completely over the top criticism.

You will no doubt suggest that I'm missing the point (you're good at that) but I really don't think I am. If Danny wasn't scoring vital goals for the team and keeping us in with a shout when Luis was on cannibalism leave then maybe I could begin to understand just where you are coming from.

Using Danny as an one of the reasons we are only 3 points ahead of Spurs and 4 points ahead of Everton, now that really was probably the most stupid thing you have suggested in a while. You spend far too much time looking for the bad in certain players that don't pop up on your favourites list. Now that really isn't a great personality trait is it. There you go Stu I said everybody has weaknesses, EVEN YOU 

Sturridge has been fantastic for us this season but I agree with Stu.If we are to have title ambitions in the next couple of years then he'll have to contend with finding himself on the bench more often. This season, he'll start whenever fit and you cant really argue with that. But as a side and given the personnel, we need to pick 1 to play upfront and between Sturridge and Suarez I know who I'd want to see up there next season. Obviously, we can do what we're doing now and push Suarez to the flank (he's good enough going forward to make an impact from any forward position) but it does take away from his game. You move Sturridge to the flank and your problems are not only with tracking back but also with the side's build up play.  Obviously, hes a talented boy and he'll continue to score and impact the game but as a side, we'll lack that extra bit of balance and consistency over the course of a season from playing a striker out of position.

If we want to play both Suarez and Sturridge upfront and still challenge for honors we'll need 2 top class center midfielders.Atm, we dont have any. Gerrard is on the decline; still a very good player but his best days are behind him. Lucas doesnt influence the game enough from a possession standpoint if you're playing 2 in the middle and Henderson/Allen will never be good enough (despite them improving) as part of a title challenging midfield duo.

We need more wide options (and goals from them) and better center midfield options to take the side forward. If we manage to do that in the summer, Sturridge for me is the most likely candidate from the starting 11to make way.

Take nothing away from what he's done this season though. He has been brilliant !

With the CL spot (heck even the Premiership title) within our sight, it's time for the team to be totally disciplined & professional from now on. Team achievements comes before personal glory, if your team mates are in better position to cause damage to the opposition, pass the ball to them. Seeing Daniel taking the pen instead of Gerrard shows weakness within our team, and him trying to gun for personal glory instead of passing to Philippe or Luis shows character flaw and bad decision making on the field. Brendan pulling him out was a correct decision because Daniel was not thinking correctly for the best of the team at that time, and missing the penalty was always going to affect him. Imagine the headline of DS scoring two and an assist to Suarez in our hammering of the bitters, that will be enough to put the fear factor that SaS can destroy any team in the land...that alone should be worth a few more points come the end of the season. Instead, BR now need to make sure that Philippe and Luis can trust Daniel on the field again, anything otherwise, there will only be one loser and that's LFC!

Ace I think the point that you are making applies to ninety percent of the team. If we can bring somebody in that can do a better job and give the team more balance then I am all for it. I made the point about us getting rid of Carroll and bringing in Danny and how that improved the team. Until I can see a successful way of leaving him out of the team he will continue to get my support regardless of the occasional poor decisions that he makes. I do not feel that we have the strength in the squad to use him as an impact sub at the moment. I accept that if we dramatically strengthen our squad then that could be a consideration for the future but we certainly are not in that luxurious position at the moment.

I havent been here for a while but some things never change.
Football fans are by nature moaning tw@ts who are worse than old women. The lads I go the match with are constantly complaining about this and that and always seeing the negative, even when we win.
If I would have said to anyone that we would be 4th in January you would have called me a crank, especially with the players weve got at our disposal. Yet here we are having just demolished our nearest rivals with a scratch team and still people are whining about one of our best players. What the fu'ck do these people want? Perfection? Someone whos not greedy, or arrogant or makes mistakes? The lad apologised straight away, even though he didnt have to and yet some still arent happy. Sturridge is the best english striker at the minute and we should be glad weve got him. He has got issues but so what? He knows what hes got here and is playing the best football of his life, seemingly without trying his best. Get behind him and appreciate what weve got rather than boring the sh'it out of everyone about how you think he should be.
FFS!!!

aCe' » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:01 am wrote:Sturridge has been fantastic for us this season but I agree with Stu.If we are to have title ambitions in the next couple of years then he'll have to contend with finding himself on the bench more often. This season, he'll start whenever fit and you cant really argue with that. But as a side and given the personnel, we need to pick 1 to play upfront and between Sturridge and Suarez I know who I'd want to see up there next season. Obviously, we can do what we're doing now and push Suarez to the flank (he's good enough going forward to make an impact from any forward position) but it does take away from his game. You move Sturridge to the flank and your problems are not only with tracking back but also with the side's build up play.  Obviously, hes a talented boy and he'll continue to score and impact the game but as a side, we'll lack that extra bit of balance and consistency over the course of a season from playing a striker out of position.

If we want to play both Suarez and Sturridge upfront and still challenge for honors we'll need 2 top class center midfielders.Atm, we dont have any. Gerrard is on the decline; still a very good player but his best days are behind him. Lucas doesnt influence the game enough from a possession standpoint if you're playing 2 in the middle and Henderson/Allen will never be good enough (despite them improving) as part of a title challenging midfield duo.

We need more wide options (and goals from them) and better center midfield options to take the side forward. If we manage to do that in the summer, Sturridge for me is the most likely candidate from the starting 11to make way.

Take nothing away from what he's done this season though. He has been brilliant !

Spot on Ace

devaney » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:23 am wrote:Stu my point about Andy Carroll went straight over your head mate. Quite a lot of people on here actually defended the incredible ineptitude of Carroll. For me he will go down as one of the worst footballers ever to play for Liverpool and possible the worst transfer deal ever in the history of the game. Sturridge on the other hand has been remarkably consistent at scoring goals which is something Carroll can only dream of. Sturridge replaced Carroll and is doing the job he is paid to do and that is scoring goals and not taking fkg embarrassing air shots.

Of course Danny has weaknesses, so does everybody. Of course he is arrogant, show me a truly successful sportsman that isn't. Of course he makes mistake,again show me a truly successful sportsman that doesn't. When Gerrard fails with a Hollywood ball would you regard that as a selfish poor decision. For me it is about entertainment and excitement and that is what Gerrard and Danny have the ability to do. They can change games with moments of brilliance. You criticise Danny as if he is responsible for the games when we have dropped points. Thirteen goals in thirteen starts deserves respect not cringeworthy criticism. Ok he makes a bad decision when we were winning 4-0 after he had gone a long way towards winning the game for us.It was a bad decision and certainly not deserving of you completely over the top criticism.

You will no doubt suggest that I'm missing the point (you're good at that) but I really don't think I am. If Danny wasn't scoring vital goals for the team and keeping us in with a shout when Luis was on cannibalism leave then maybe I could begin to understand just where you are coming from.

Using Danny as an one of the reasons we are only 3 points ahead of Spurs and 4 points ahead of Everton, now that really was probably the most stupid thing you have suggested in a while. You spend far too much time looking for the bad in certain players that don't pop up on your favourites list. Now that really isn't a great personality trait is it. There you go Stu I said everybody has weaknesses, EVEN YOU 

You clearly missed the point...

Quite honestly... I don't miss your point. Of course he was an improvement on Carroll. Mate, Sturridge is a very good player. He's definately worth the money paid for him and he'll always score goals. Carroll is quite frankly a donkey and a championship player at very best. Its a major source of embarrassment that a player like that has played for our club. Suarez used to look embarrassed by his presence.

Sturridge is good enough at the moment to play regularly, and as a squad player is good enough for a championship winning side but I'm fed up of people over praising him and making out like he's a world beater. I've heard people calling him "world class" which is quite frankly ridiculous.

What really annoys me about him on a personal level is his attitude. Its only his attitude that stops him becoming a far better player. Lessen his ego and need to be the big man and he'd pass more, make better decisions and not slow attacks down by holding onto it too often and trying to show off. There is nothing worse than seeing talent wasted and having a player who has a bit of everything but can't really be bothered to fine tune it. Also you point to his mistakes, the point is people are calling him world class, world class players don't make 3 mistakes out of a possible 3... they don't make mistake after mistake after mistake. Sturridge at times does this. The other night was the prime example. He took greedy to a new level and quite frankly he got exactly what he deserved.

Clearly, judging by the last few posts... as well as Rodgers, Suarez, Henderson, Gerrard and Coutinho's reactions... I'm not the only one who's thinking like this.

What people also need to understand is that incidents like that can cause divides in dressing rooms, it can make players think "f*ck that I'm not passing to him"...

I'm not asking for perfection, but 11 players who can do the basics would be a good starting point. Sturridge often struggles with this.

I suspect the reason why he couldn't find the back of the net in the Arsenal FA Cup game was that he was under too much pressure to break the 90 year old record. Now that's over, I'm glad that stats burden has been lifted and he can now continue to score in every game and more of those wavy celebration dance please.

Red Focus » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:21 am wrote:I suspect the reason why he couldn't find the back of the net in the Arsenal FA Cup game was that he was under too much pressure to break the 90 year old record. Now that's over, I'm glad that stats burden has been lifted and he can now continue to score in every game and more of those wavy celebration dance please.

Great post
I was thinking exactly the same. Sometimes these expectations can be a burden and Im sure if he would have been playing in a league game instead of the cup it would have been different.
One thing is certain. Sturridge is a natural goal scorer who (sunday aside) is comfortable and confident in front of goal. We only have to look at his record this season to see how good he is. Anyone who questions his ability is off their head.
Simples

What more can you say about Danny Sturridge? he's been absolutely superb ever since he walked through the door here.
He's quick, skillful and keeps a cool head in front of goal, what a fantastic signing he has been, he would have been a bargain at £30m never mind the pittance we signed him for.

and to think that the Chavs were celebrating when they replaced him with Ba from Newcastle 

Absolutely the best signing by Rafa, while he was with Chelsea. and thank you Roman for the £50M too